My dad's reaction: "Hillary Clinton is 60 years old? Wow, she's

[hedgehog]

almost as old as McCain!" (BTW - my dad is 80) I wonder how many other people were unaware of Hillary's age until Bill so kindly brought up the subject!

[Saturday]

1. Everyone was. Trying to make a mountain out of a molehill? nt

[redqueen]

2. 11 years is "almost"?

:shrug:

[hedgehog]

6. The suggestion that she wouldn't be 100% at 11PM kind of aged her. nt

[Hepburn]

8. To someone who is 80....

...probably! :D

[The Magistrate]

13. Indeed, Ma'am

Not long ago, a gentleman in his early nineties asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up....

"I never forgive: I often forget."

[LisaM]

3. She is twelve years younger than McCain

and maybe 14 years older than Obama.

[mythyc]

4. (botox)

sshhhhhhh....

[11 Bravo]

7. How very classy. I feel suddenly filled with hope and unity.

[redqueen]

11. Please don't think all Obama's supporters...

are like that.

[11 Bravo]

15. I don't. It's just disheartening.

[redqueen]

26. ... to say the least.

*sigh*

[Catherina]

17. It is botox. What else can it be?

Hillary spends about $4000 - $5000 on her make-up jobs but make-up can't accomplish that miracle.

I had no respect for Kerry when he did it and I'm not too happy with Hillary for it.

[redqueen]

25. I don't give a crap cause it doesn't matter to me.

And the reason it's worse than distasteful now is cause it just pours fuel on the flames of resentment. Hillary's supporters have had to put up with a lot of meaningless crap about their candidate. Why add to the BS? What's the point?

[IndianaJones]

29. botox rox. nt.

[Catherina]

31. I don't consider animal suffering meaningless crap

nor do I consider Hillary's continued knee-capping and continued underhanded attacks on Obama meaningless.

As long as the candidates continue to dish it out, supporters who can't handle it should join a quilting circle or something. The rules of the games don't get redefined for Hillary. I have a hard time taking the sensitivities of people who deliberately distort the Rev Wright story, lie that Obama was a Black Muslim and deny racebaiting very seriously. The rest excuse it or look the other way. I have no patience for mollycoddling people who support the head of the DLC and all the corruption that comes with it.

"Next, We'll See Him Run an Ad Saying: Vote For Me, I Don't Steal Cars." Bill Clinton on Obama, April 10, 2008

[redqueen]

36. So you're a vegan then?

Not that it matters anyway... this isn't about animal suffering... this is about you wanting to pretend that you know for a fact that she's using Botox when you know no such thing. Perhaps she got a facelift?

[Catherina]

40. Vegetarian. For the rest, suit yourself

Facelifts don't zig zag from tight to loose within a few months. Botox can.

[mythyc]

24. classy here:

"...let’s get everybody together, let’s get unified the sky will open, the light will come down, celestial choirs will be singing... And everyone will know we should do the right thing, and the world will be perfect..."

"It is time for his campaign to get out of the gutter and allow all the pins to be counted."

"So Shame on you Barack Obama ... Enough of the speeches and the big rallies and then using tactics that are right out of Karl Rove's playbook."

On Ferraro's race attack: ""I do not agree with that ... It's regrettable that any of our supporters -- on both sides, because we both have this experience -- say things that kind of veer off into the personal."

Official Statement on the DNC's FL/MI ruling: "We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process. And we believe the DNC's rules and its calender provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role. Thus, we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC approved nominating calendar."

"Maybe somebody should ask Barack if he'd like a pillow."

"He will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience. Sen. Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002."

no comment on wright ... then one week later: "(Wright) would Not Have Been My Pastor!"

whatever

[Catherina]

12. You beat me to it. Botoxed to the gills. BOTOX Kills Animals

Dark Side of Beauty: BOTOX Kills Animals

In early October, at the end of a multi-week trial that drew national media attention, a Los Angeles jury determined that BOTOX® did not cause a Hollywood socialite's alleged crippling migraine headaches, deflating the woman's argument that her celebrity dermatologist downplayed the product's potentially harmful side effects in order to collect large fees to inject the drug.

It was the first time that Allergan, the pharmaceutical company that manufactures Botox, had been forced to defend its drug before a jury, and the Irvine, Calif. drug giant was clearly pleased with the verdict. But even as company officials celebrate the victory, Allergan must now face the court of public opinion over a fact that is indisputable: Animals suffer and die in the potency testing of Botox. And while Botox has serious therapeutic applications, these animals die increasingly for nothing more serious than to smooth out wrinkle lines.

Yet whether for therapeutic or cosmetic application, each batch of Botox must be tested before Allergan releases it to doctors and dermatologists; to determine the right potency of Botox-the key ingredient of which is botulinum toxin, the most poisonous substance known to mankind-Allergan uses a highly questionable test known as LD50, whose sole purpose is to find the dose that kills 50% of the animals used in the test.

You read that right: The end point of the LD50 test is death to 50% of the animals used. The test's full name is Lethal Dose 50 Percent.

The Humane Society of the United States believes this must end, and we want your assistance. We're urging consumers who use Botox purely for cosmetic purposes to avoid the product until Allergan stops testing it on animals. Period.

...

Of all the tests done on animals, the conventional or classical LD50 is one of the most brutal. In Botox testing, animals endure differing levels of muscular paralysis and suffer from impaired vision and dry mouth. Animals who die do so from suffocation, after their diaphragms become paralyzed, and they can no longer breathe. Those who don't die immediately may languish with varying degrees of paralysis before being euthanized at the end of the three- to four-day test.

Animal welfare advocates have been campaigning to abolish the LD50 for more than two decades. The Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development, an international trade organization that produces testing recommendations, decided to delete the LD50 from its manual of internationally accepted test guidelines in 2002.

...

http://www.hsus.org/animals_in_research/animal_testing/the_beauty_myth_botox_kills_animals/

Botox and $5000 make-up sessions

[loveangelc]

16. D:

[Beaverhausen]

18. Honestly - is this necessary?

could you be any more shallow? Is this the kind of "unity" and "change" your candidate is working for.

Jesus- why are SOME Obama supporters such nasty people?

[Catherina]

21. Shallow is killing animals for your own vanity.

Hillary doesn't get a free pass on it. And don't start with the sexist crap because John Kerry caught hell for it too.

[Beaverhausen]

23. first of all - where is your proof that she uses it?

you post pics of Hillary looking all wrinkly, then you accuse her of using Botox. Get a grip. Botox doesn't wear off in a day or two.

You have no proof that she uses it.

[Catherina]

27. The proof is in the eye of the beholder

:shrug:

[my3boyz]

28. If she uses BOTOX she needs to get her money back! lol nt

[Adelante]

5. Why wouldn't people be aware of her age?

It's not been a secret.

[HereSince1628]

9. Age differences are a matter or perspective.

It says more about the observer than the observed.

[TexasLady]

10. I think she looks pretty good for 60

hope I look so good at that age.

[Beaverhausen]

14. Your dad's math skills are sadly lacking

sorry, I'm sure he's a great guy, but 12 years isn't really "almost."

[stahbrett]

30. Well, she is closer to McCain's age than she is to Obama's age

But I agree that 11-12 years is a little more than "almost".

[hedgehog]

35. I think he meant that he considers Obama to be youthful

(as in vigorous rather than inexperienced) while he brackets Hillary and McCain.

Face it, Obama is middle aged while both Hillary and Mccain qualify for the senior discount!

[rinsd]

19. What a misstep! The campaign also blew it by having an actual party with Elvis Costello!

:eyes:

[thereismore]

20. Not everyone thought about is so explicitly until Bill said it. What a campaigner! nt

[rinsd]

22. The Clenis is all powerful!

:evilgrin:

[indepat]

32. Being McShame's age, wish I could truthfully say I'm the man I was at 60,

physically, mentally, or endurance-wise, but would be kidding only myself. Alas, I do aver to being much wiser than at 60 for I now see much more clearly the vast harm and damage that have been inflicted upon my country and we the people by 'puke policies, actions, and stewardship, but McShame, with his proclamation of a possible 100-year stay in Iraq, clearly ain't eaten up with even a modicum of wisdom IMNSHO: this nation would likely be doomed to repeat the most grievous mistakes and failures of the past under a McShame administration. :D

[Lou Queb]

33. 60 is young

period

[EmilyAnne]

34. I don't think 60 is old. n/t

[rodeodance]

37. She looks great.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

38. I think she looks good for 60.

If I didn't know her age, I would assume she was about ten years younger.

[LisaM]

39. I think Hillary may have had a mini-lift. No proof of Botox.

However, she has very naturally frizzy hair, and it is most likely grey by now. Do you honestly believe that in THIS COUNTRY a frizzy grey-haired woman would stand any kind of a chance of getting elected? Do you REALLY?

[kwenu]

41. I'm not a Hillary supporter but I think she looks great for 60.