The return of the Scoop Jackson Democrat...

[Fovea]

Regarding a recently locked thread on Breaking News that referenced an odd, rather delusional blog.

I think Scoop Jackson Democrats are the wave of the future, if you are living in 1942.

Tell me, if Obama wins the Presidency, will you all go gentle into that good night with the idea that somehow the third way represents the will of the American electorate? It is starting to be a source of pathos.

The near future is going to destroy the America you want to return to. We need a vital, resourceful leader for this long emergency we have just entered.

I cannot imagine how the third way deals with oil at $200/bbl* oil in 2009 *and* the collapse of American currency/economy. I don't think the third way will make the corporations shoulder their share of the great value deflation of the dollar and properties based on the dollar. Actually, I can, and it is to deepen the fire sale. Because that is what Reagan would do.

HRC is going to run using John McCain's frame of national security. How exactly will Hillary look more like Reagan than John McCain?

We need a candidate prepared to counter frame McCain with a domestic real economy, oil independence, universal health care, and education to compete with the rest of the world. And to find a way through the really dark shit on the horizon.

I don't see Obama getting far down the road with a Democratic (center left by your lights) congress offering less than universal health. Not in the midst of the Great Depression V 2.0. Neither would Clinton get her Iraq vision in the midst of a financial collapse. We are about to have no effective military capability in the field. We will not be able to anything between a raid and a massive bombardment.

I think putting a third way candidate in office in 2009 is akin to the wisdom of electing Herbert Hoover in the midst of a ever thinning bubble economy.

We don't need more free trade. Gods no.
We free traded our manufacturing base away already.

That is going to really hurt in light of the collapse of the finance leveraged debt economy. Now that we can no longer define flatulence as parfum, things are going to actually stink. Too bad nobody in America can make a fan anymore.

I don't know if Barack Obama has it in him to be the next FDR. But I know that another FDR will be needed. The third way is so twentieth century. It went the way of $1/gal gas.


*Forcast to reach $350.00 a barrel by 2010-12. Because the dollar will be weaker and demand will be higher. I suspect 200-225 is the sustainable floor with demand destruction.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. Scoop

Scoop Jackson wasn't DLC... Well, there wasn't a DLC at the time...And he wasn't a Third Way Democrat either... He was a traditional liberal on social and economic issues and a conservative/ hawk on foreign/defense issues...


Since oil is a fungible commodity and the price of a barrel of oil is the same everywhere, $200.00 a barrel oil would probably cause a global depression and lead to $10.00 a barrel oil because demand would dry up...

[Fovea]

4. I should have put Scoop in quotes

I was using the original poster's term for DLC.

In terms of demand destruction to 10bbl. Like Bear Stearns, oil is too important too fail. So we will wrap ourselves around supporting the price of oil, in dollars that are falling a long way against whatever the new currency of marque will be.

Japan had neither oil or coal, and we blockaded them over China. Result. Pearl Harbor. If conflict obstructs the straights of Hormuz, someone will get nuked in short order. General draft, no problem.

I think there is an odds on chance this all ends with a command economy, a sort of war capitalism like the Soviet war communism of the 40s. That is because we are a war machine in all the important ways, and war runs on oil.

The Vietnam war was a sham in our endless war against communism. Because it had no real cause, save perhaps Allen Dullas, it could not have been prevented, because after the Bay of Pigs, we could not back down.

We have crossed all the lines save the last two in our war on terrah, A&B, we already have used C. We are the leader of the free world gone rogue.

[Beregond2]

2. Scoop

I can't imagine what you see in common between Scoop and Obama. Jackson was as hawkish as you could get.

[Cassandra]

3. That blog was quite delusional...

and pathetic.