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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:31 AM
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If Hillary can't run a decent campaign, how can she run a country?
Obama's upbeat "drama-free appeal" consistently wins voters' hearts & continues to draw
more and more super delegates. Rock on Barak!!

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Obama's happy, drama-free appeal
By ROGER SIMON | 4/7/08 6:56 PM EST

Mark Penn is only the latest problem in a campaign that has been heavy on drama and light on results.

In the days and weeks ahead, the Barack Obama campaign is going to pose a simple question to the undecided voters and undeclared superdelegates who will decide the Democratic nomination for president: If Hillary Clinton can’t run a good primary campaign, how is she ever going to run a good campaign against the Republicans?

And while she says she is ready from Day One to be president, she is at something like Day 430 into being a presidential candidate and her campaign seems to be going from bad to worse to train wreck.

Mark Penn, who just got booted as her chief strategist, is only the latest problem in a campaign that has been heavy on drama and light on results.

“None of these folks have ever run anything, other than Hillary running a health care task force,” David Axelrod. *snip*

The Obama campaign is going to tell voters it is proving itself every day. It says it had a calm and deliberate strategy that it has executed well: Win Iowa (I will write more about this in my next column) and then aggregate delegates.

“Mark said, ‘This is about delegates,’” Axelrod said. “But to get them, you have to compete for them in caucuses and primaries. We had an army of eager and willing volunteers in every state, and we were able to rally and marshal them.”

Penn is a master of identifying subsets within the electorate. He wrote a book called “Microtrends” and talked about such things as “Archery Moms” and “Impressionable Elites” and “Caffeine Crazies.”

But Obama has openly derided the “slicing and dicing” of the electorate and has concentrated on one major theme: change. He promises to change the way Washington works.

Clinton has a theme, too: experience. She knows how Washington works. But there is a built-in downside to that.

“In a year when people are rightly jaundiced about the ways of Washington, a strategy that has at its core that you are the ultimate Washington insider seemed ill-conceived to me,” Axelrod said.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9436.html

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andyrowe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:32 AM
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1. Bam
:toast:
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:38 AM
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2. Thanks for the rec.
I love that Obama is saying "Hillary has every right to keep running" (without adding the "... on empty" part.

He's got class, I must say.
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TML Donating Member (749 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:38 AM
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3. Nice find
:kick:
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:48 AM
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7. thanx.
for the K & R.

I found it on "real politics.com", which can be a mixed bag; but this seemed like a keeper.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:39 AM
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4. with this many problems in a primary campaign
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 02:49 AM by Raine
I don't know how she could run a decent General Election campaign either.

Edit: corrected typo
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:44 AM
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6. Bingo!
But who cares about the General Election if Hill's the nominee?

After all, Hillary thinks McSame "has better experience" than Obama, so she's just trying to "do us all a favor"
by handing it to McSame?

How could this get any wackier than it's already become? Oops. I'd best be careful what I ask for.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:41 AM
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5. No Drama Obama...
:)
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:49 AM
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8. Hey? That kinda has a ring to it, huh?
and some truth too boot.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:51 AM
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10. Ripped it off someone...but I can't remember where I saw it.
Sure does strike a chord though.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:50 AM
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9. DING DING DING We have a winner!!! Kicked!!
Best post I wish I'd have found first!!!!

:hi:

:kick:
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:06 AM
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11. Gracias
This seems like just the right time for this contrast to be raised, maybe not by Obama, but
it's so freaking true, it needs to be said.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 04:10 AM
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12. Hillary's campaign theme is chronically this: Vote for me, I'm a victim!
She's lived a life of privilege, and has been a spoiled brat for most of that time. Her attitude that she is entitled to the nomination permeates her entire campaign. While she likes to boast of experience she has never had, her fall back theme is always that she is a victim, so all who see themselves as a victims should line up behind her. She's the most depressing, pessimistic candidate we've had running for the nomination in a long, long time.

If she were to be our nominee, in the general election she won't even get the votes she has gotten in primaries, as many of her voters are people who vote Republican in the general election for president, as the polls show.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:51 PM
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17. ...alternating with "Vote for me! I'm entitled!" n/t
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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 04:15 AM
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13. I've been wondering this for a while actually...
I absolutely hate all the personal attacks on Hillary. I'm sick of that stuff. But I think her campaign has not been run very well. It's not entirely her fault, but the people around her have not done a good job with the campaign's strategy and execution of their plans. It just seems like a big mess quite frankly.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 04:35 AM
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14. Bush ran a successful campaign twice
How'd that work out for us?
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liberalla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 04:58 AM
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15. The HRC campaign is somewhat reminiscent of Bush war plans
Bush had no plans what to do after they conquered Iraq. Maintaining the peace, reconstruction, etc.

Hillary had no plans or money for anything after Super Tuesday. She thought the nomination would be hers after that... a "sure" thing. They've been scrambling ever since.

The lack of preparedness and planning for any possible outcome, is a serious concern and extends to more than the running of a campaign.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:50 PM
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16. The only reason Bush was in a position to not make those plans
was that he ran a successful campaign.

You *do* know that there's more to the Presidency than PR, don't you?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:56 PM
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18. You have to get elected
To be President. How can we trust her in the GE when she's done such a terrible job in the Primary season.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:02 PM
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22. Once, not twice. He didn't win in 2000, even though he was sworn in.
n/t.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 03:24 PM
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23. The public accepted the coup because it was close enough for a steal anyway
and they (we) didn't feel like having a civil war at the time.

The reason it was even that close was that Gore ran a crappy campaign. Surely you don't think that reflects negatively on the job he would have done as President when compared to Bush, do you?
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D23MIURG23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 04:39 PM
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24. Gerald Ford didn't run any, how'd that work out for us? n/t
Edited on Tue Apr-08-08 04:40 PM by D23MIURG23
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 09:08 AM
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25. Not as bad
Although it could be argued that the results of said non-campaign contributed to our current predicament.
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TexanDem Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:56 PM
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19. That's been my question a long time! Seems obvious! K&R
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:57 PM
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20. Don't worry--she won't win this nomination
so it's not going to be a problem for her--or for us and this country. :evilgrin:
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 02:58 PM
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21. Hillary is connected with a union buster, therefore she is part of the war on the middle class.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:03 AM
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26. She is a corporatist, with a staff full of corporatists...
...to what I imagine is a slightly greater degree than in the Obama campaign. I have to hope that he will tend to appoint/nominate people who have not been so corrupt for so long.
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Araxen Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:08 AM
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27. K&R!
:kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick::kick:
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-09-08 10:10 AM
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28. Excellent question. And the answer is ...
she can't.
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