Hillary supporters. Please name something about Obama that you don't like.

[Bensthename]

I am a huge Obama fan and probably have blinders to all of his bad points.
When I hear a slam on an Obama supporters I assume you have a good reason from something you have heard or read here or elsewhere that has made you mad. But when I hear a slam on Obama it is usually kind of vague and not much reason behind it. What specifically do you not like about him?

I'm not saying Obama is going to win. But if he does what would he need to do to gain your full support?

[Evergreen Emerald]

1. Stop calling people racist to win an election.

[Bensthename]

2. No fox news analysis now, I'm serious..

[Evergreen Emerald]

3. so am I. When he used race to win SC and had his surrogate shouting

"Racism!" from the rooftops I was done with him.

[AX10]

4. That was the end of him for me.

[Bensthename]

11. Bill called him the Jessey Jackson candidate. What were his surrogates and SC voters

supposed to think? And Obama did not say anything.

[Evergreen Emerald]

13. you have your timeline wrong

go back and look at history. The claims of "Racism!" were before the election, this comment was after.

[tigervalentine]

12. Obama would have easily won South Carolina

even if BC had kept his mouth shut.

[Evergreen Emerald]

14. you are wrong. Clinton was ahead in the polls...Obama had to do something

So they attacked Clinton with the most abhorrent thing they could do--they called her a racist. This progressive Senator who has stood for civil rights her whole life, and Obama called her a racist.


It is unforgivable.

[CreekDog]

22. No, that did not happen

you got it wrong. race was an element, but not in the way you describe.

when you decide to post actual facts and statements, I'll engage with you.

[rodeodance]

6. not from Fox--Recall the 4 page memo from the obama camp-Russert interview?

[Bensthename]

5. Or is racism your reason ?? Thanks for your honesty if so.

[rodeodance]

8. The BO camp use of the race card to lable the Clintons racist was the last straw!

[Evergreen Emerald]

9. What? How dare you.

I can be opposed to people falsely claiming "Racism!" without being a racist. How dare you.

[Bensthename]

18. "Stop calling people racist to win an election." Was your answer..

And no where in my post did I say anything about racism. The questing was specifically about ONLY Obama. And I specified not to blame his supporters. So throwing in "racist" when only talking about Obama. Has me assume you think he will not win because of the racism.. But then you explained your self, better. But still you are only talking about his surrogates or supporters.
AND I don't think you are racist.

[Evergreen Emerald]

20. No. We are not only talking about his supporters or surrogates

The surrogates spoke for Obama. That was the political plan.

[Bensthename]

26. No, the post was about Obama only..

If you want to start a thread on his supporters and delegates that is fine.

Besides, you don't hear Obama supporters crying about how a few months ago the Hillary supporters and delegates were calling him a cocaine addict or user. Which was horrible.

The question was simple. What do you not like about OBAMA. But never fucking mind. You just hijacked this post to hell, thanks.

[Evergreen Emerald]

54. They did it at his bidding...he and his campaign orchestrated it

It WAS from Obama.

[bhikkhu]

42. I wish we had a "context" rule - anyone have a quote?

I hear so many arguments here about someone said something, but rarely exactly what was said, and even more rare a full sentence quoted.

Not to criticize anyone, but I haven't followed every story from the beginning and I don't watch TV, so without context here it is possible to read on and on and on without a good idea of what is actually being referred to...

[Life Long Dem]

23. What's wrong with determing if Hillary fans are racist?

Just asking.

[Evergreen Emerald]

60. What is wrong with determing if Obama fans are racist?

[Life Long Dem]

69. Nothing at all. But I'm the white guy supporting the black guy and you?

Even if I am or was a racist I don't let something like that get in my way of what is best for me and a crook like Hillary is not best for me or anyone. But then again, by me saying this maybe it shows I'm not a racist? Maybe it is more of a person or character thing for me? I will say this, if Hillary was Obama and Obama was Hillary, I would be voting for Hillary, and not looking at the color. In other words I look at the person and not the color. I dislike some black people just as I dislike some white people, no matter the color.

Today, I made a jump from a liar to a crook. Having Penn a union buster in the Democratic party is fucking crazy. And Hillary has been working with this pig (and who I think gives men a bad name) for at least 10 years now. What is your reason?

[wowimthere]

73. Sorry but Bill used the same argument when he ran his first campaign. He injected race into it!

Bill was way ahead of everybody and no one really cared back then. Obama's camp beat him at his own game. It was bound to happen in SC so stop whining as if the Clintons weren't on it already. They injected race into the primaries and they got their asses handed right back at them by losing 11 contests in a row.

[Catherine Vincent]

7. His Hillary-hating supporters on DU!

:)

[PresidentObama]

80. If you let DU posters turn you against him...then wow.

Get out in the real world.

DU isn't the Democratic party.

[Maddy McCall]

10. HILLARY SUPPORTERS: DON"T PLAY ALONG WITH THIS PERSON.

Look above. He doesn't want to listen to you. He wants you to line up so he can insult you.

Ignore this thread.

[Evergreen Emerald]

15. you are correct. He just called me a racist.

Dang, the intelligence level on DU has plummeted.

[JohnnyLib2]

19. I agree. Such stuff is getting more blatant.

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[donheld]

59. So you're saying "Let it Sink?"

[doc03]

16. First off I am not a Hillary supporter either here is just a few

1. He is a great candidate for the Democratic party primaries but will lose in the GE.
2. He thinks Ronald Reagan changed the direction of the country, for the better from my understanding.
3. Reverend Wright.
4. His wife saying this is the first time in her adult life she is proud to be an American.
5. He is going to have a international affairs policy like Ronald Reagan and Bush 41.

I am not going to argue about any of these I find it a total waste of time to discuss anything with a Obama supporter without them starting the racist bullshit.

[AX10]

17. 3, 4, and 5 are quite disturbing.

Also, the left wingers are going to start the racist bullshit anytime they run into trouble in the fall and it will backfire on them.

[Bensthename]

21. HE WINS A PRIZE.. The first answer to a simple question. Thank you sir.

OMFG.. These people around here have their panties in a wad.

[FrenchieCat]

25. Don't pay attention to the haters....that's all they know how to do.....

and of course, they will skew the facts to their own end....because the means, no matter how twisted justifies their end.....and Hillary's campaign will be over soon.

In reference to Obama, we don't need to spell out what we don't like, because we know he isn't perfect, and he knows he isn't perfect.....but at this point, no need to give the "haters" any added satisfaction. Once he is the nominee, then we can make a list for him and for McCain; until then, he is as good as he can be under the circumstances of no one being better. :)

[Bensthename]

27. You're right and thanks

This post did not really go as well as I intended. I was looking for more of some constructing criticism. I guess at this point in the race tensions are just too high to asks such a question.

Thanks, again for your supportive reply.

[doc03]

29. I missed the other question. What can he do to get

your full support? I was an Edwards supporter and after Edwards dropped out Obama seemed to be sincere and seemed to rise above the race issue. But the more I listened and particularly after his people started all the race baiting in NC the less I liked him. I really don't know, I just do not trust him and as of now won't vote for him. Another real turn off is the hate that his supporters seem to feel for anyone that disagrees with him.

[Bensthename]

37. That's cool..

I was first for kucinich then Obama.. I was on the Obama wagon before much of the race issue came up so naturally I didn't think there was much to it. But with so many of you saying there was, then there must be more to it then I thought.
As far as his supporters, well some are like the original Elvis fans or The Beatles fans. Though Hillary supporters are die hard fans too. It's too bad they make the nomination process so long. It sure has caused a lot of hurt feelings.
Thanks for your non-flaming honest answer. Haha.. We just need to make sure McCain doesnt win.
If you arent going to vote for obama, then try to let all of the air out of the McCain voters tires in your neighborhood the night before the gen election. IF obama wins the nomination of course.

[SwampG8r]

43. did you say panties?you sexist

what you mean panties? thats just sexism
:rofl:

[dysfunctional press]

36. here's an obama quote on reagan:

from meet the press october 2006-

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/01/obama_reagan_changed_direction_of_country_in_way_bill_clinton_didnt.php

But I think, when I think about great presidents, I think about those who transform how we think about ourselves as a country in fundamental ways...And, you know, there are circumstances in which, I would argue, Ronald Reagan was a very successful president, even though I did not agree with him on many issues, partly because at the end of his presidency, people, I think, said, “You know what? We can regain our greatness. Individual responsibility and personal responsibility are important.” And they transformed the culture and not simply promoted one or two particular issues.

[merh]

56. And go check Hillary's website

Reagan is on her list of favorite presidents.

Bill supported Reagan's policies, he supported Bush I's first GWI.

Tell me, how did Clinton change the foreign policy in this nation from that of Reagan and Bush I?

[crankychatter]

64. I found dozens of clear examples of race/gender shit starting here

and at least a dozen examples of outright racism... when I walked in the revolving door...

I posted it up, expressed my disdain for such activity, and reported one person for it... that person's very NAME was a reference to a racist, youtube hoax smear against Obama. That person still posts here and I GOT TARGETTED. I've had to learn the rules.

Now I think this is A FUN THREAD.

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and thanks to this thread I found a couple of more cranks

there isn't more than a couple of dozen out of the THOUSANDS of DUers

It doesn't typify DU at all... they just like to be annoying

It would be nice if that were due to passion for their candidate and NOT Racism... or other, questionable motivations

But we ALL KNOW THEY USE SOCKS, PROXIES and MULTIPLE USER ID's to ARTIFICIALLY FLOAT the most horrific, sleazey, lurid and questionable material.

Here, I learned what flame bait is.... THANKS DU!!!

[RaleighNCDUer]

48. I know you said you won't argue, but I have to let you know you

are wrong on every count.
1) That is conjecture - there is no basis for saying he CANNOT win.
2) Your understanding is wrong - he wants to effect a change for progressive policies in the same way that Reagan effected a change toward conservative policies. Listen to what he actually says - not to what Hillary supporters SAY he says.
3) Rev Wright was just preaching in a style which many are not familiar with - it is the duty of a prophet to condemn the state when the state is not following its mandate. The entire quote (abbreviated) was that INSTEAD of mindlessly bleating God Bless America, despite the evil that America has done, the faithful should be saying God Damn America, or else the faithful will be stained by America's crimes, and so judged. Even I, as an athiest, recognize the difference between hatred and condemnation of evil.
4) Michelle is not running for office; but even if she was, what, in the past 35 years, has America done to be proud of? Invading Lebanon, Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Iraq again? Mining Nicaraguan ports, in defiance of internation law? Creating the mujahadin, which became Al Queda? Creating the Contras, which morphed into cocaine cartels? Supporting death squads in Honduras, Guatamala, El Salvador, Colombia? Helping overthow the elected government of Chile? I'm a good ten years older than Michelle Obama and I don't know of many things in MY adult life that make me proud to be an American. Are YOU proud of the way we have morphed from a democratic republic to an oligarchy?
5) There is NOTHING in his speeches or on his website that suggest that he is a neo-lib, intent of spreading American hegemony - in fact, when 80% of the country wanted to hit Iraq, he argued against it.

Please, point out the racist bullshit in my reply.

[merh]

55. Nothing to do with race - just a question about your list

How was Clinton's foreign policy different from Reagan's and Bush I?

5. He is going to have a international affairs policy like Ronald Reagan and Bush 41.

[Political Heretic]

70. Wow... let's take a look shall we?

1. No more evidence for this than saying Clinton is a great candidate for the Democratic Party but will lose in the General. In fact, Real Clear Politics, which averages many polls together, has Clinton losing to McCain nationally and Obama tied - which means doing better than Clinton nationally - as of 4/6.

2. Ronald Regan did change the direction of the country - That Obama said it was for the better is incorrect. Provably so. His statements are all over print media saying that he was not saying it was for the better, but saying that it was a profound shift.

3. Not an issue. a) Wright isn't running for President. b) Wright wasn't wrong c) Obama's response to the wright contrversy was phenominal, shows his electability, shows is ability to handle controversy, and pushed the issue totally out of the media so that it is a non-story.

4. Michelle Obama say for the first time she is "really" proud - that word that you omitted means a lot. I would feel really proud for the first time too if my African American husband had a real shot at becoming president of the united states - a historic moment. I don't sit around feeling "really proud" of American on a daily basis. There's a lot I'm pretty ashamed of in fact.

5. If you want to find out about his international affairs policy, read his policy platform positions, rather than make vacuous innuendo.

[rodeodance]

28. STOP CALLLING OUT HILLARY SUPPORTERS JUST TO MOCK THEM!

[Bensthename]

30. I wasn't.

[mtnsnake]

31. Yeah you did. Plus you turned it into another racist finger-pointing crusade. Nice job, genius

[rodeodance]

40. I saw your responses upstream!

[SwampG8r]

44. wow

all the hillary shill trolls are responding to this one
you must have hit em dead center
ok all you trolls
back under the bridge

[LowerManhattanite]

32. Shame on you!... “Hic!” n/t

[AZBlue]

33. I honestly think you meant this as a genuine question

No ulterior motive, no sneaky nastiness. Sorry for the grief you're getting.

[mtnsnake]

35. Bull. Look at his post #5 where he replied to the very first poster

asking if that poster was racist when it was clear that Poster #1 didn't have a racist bone in her body. The OP asked for any grief it got.

[Bensthename]

41. That is Bull.

I had a very genuine question and the answer was ONLY:
"Stop calling people racist to win an election."

No other answer in the message body. What the hell am I supposed to think of that. I said nothing about race at all. READ IT AGAIN.
Yet I get yelled at right off the bat as being racist. I dare you to reread my post and read that answer.

Hijacking this post to make it look racial is just disgusting.

[DURHAM D]

46. The OP is no doubt looking out his dorm room window at the large praying hands

of Oral Roberts University while eating Pop Tarts.

[Bensthename]

39. Thanks man..

I guess this is just too sensitive of a time for some here..

[mtnsnake]

50. You can't even get THAT right

AZBlue isn't a man, she's a chick.

[Bensthename]

58. Oh, you're right. The name should have gave that away..

What ever,

[mtnsnake]

68. given

[BenDavid]

38. Easy answer........Obama

[not_too_L8]

79. you don't like him for his name?

sorry for you

[musicblind]

45. I dislike his health care plan. I strongly feel that mandates would be better.

[Chisox08]

76. I don't like Hillary's mandates because

it rewards the insurance companies that has gotten us into this mess to begin with. With that being said I also don't like Obama's healthcare plan either. the only healthcare plan that is acceptable to me is single payer non-profit universal healthcare.

[Tresalisa]

47. I think this'd have gone better if you just

weren't waving that red flag around!



FTR, I think you are sincere in your question, but GD-P can be pretty a pretty volatile playground to play in.

[BzaDem]

49. The fact that he won't go all out in trying to get a revote in MI and FL.

He's just sitting back and reaping the benefits of having two pro-Hillary states silenced.

[wrando]

52. opposite

He actively rejects the votes to be counted in those states

let's face it, Obama is ahead in this race because of caucus voting strange party allocation of delegates

winner take all, like the general, and Hillary would already have it locked up

Bill from ct

[wrando]

51. two faces

he's hypocritical and the msm doesn't call him on it
btw all these candidates are hypocritical to a point, but sometimes they're called on it

and in Hillary's case even when it doesn't exist

bill from ct

[NashVegas]

53. I Don't Like That His Supporters Act Like This Guy's Supporters

[AX10]

81. And like it or not,

McCain's supporters are much more civil, as are Hillary's supporters.

[DemVet]

57. Stupid thread....waste of bandwidth.

[Bluenorthwest]

61. I'm just a Democrat, not a supporter of either

But Obama lacks my full support due to: Patriot Act yes vote, Cheney Engery Bill yes vote, his war funding votes, his silence about the crimes of the administration, his stance that we should retain Blackwater mercenary forces, and his use of Fundmentalist preachers to use gay people as bait to hook the votes of religious bigots in the south on his 'Faith and Family Tour'....
To get my full support he needs to promise there will never again be any person allowed to openly speak against any American minority group under his banner, and especially not as President. That is a must.
He needs to stand against hired contract killers like Blackwater, he needs to speak about bringing justice to the guilty and the restoration of the Constitution.
How's that? I have a similar list for Hillary, and a coin I will flip May 20 if I don't hear what I am listening for from either of them.

[crankychatter]

65. YOU, I like

thanks

[Bensthename]

71. That is a fair honest critic. Well done.

I am trying to let this thing sink. This post is getting way out of hand.
But I had to respond to give you kudos..

[Jamastiene]

62. Let it sink. n/t

[Rockholm]

63. I dislike Obama supporters on DU...

Not all of them, mind you. Just the arrogant in your face Obama or nothing assholes.

[MaineDem]

66. I question the premise of this OP

Flame bait couched in an "I'm a supporter" language?

[crankychatter]

67. k / r

yup

[Lucky 13]

72. Listen, they aren't going to answer the question... not the way you want...

There is no talking to or reasoning with Clinton supporters right now. They have all voices of criticism on MUTE. Even questioning the Queen makes you a traitor and the enemy.

When this is all over and they have a few months to think about the possibility of President McCain, they will start to realize Barack isn't the demon they've built him up to be in their own mind.

Ask this question again once Hillary finally concedes.

[wowimthere]

74. I think Obama has run a FANTASTIC campaign. Sorry, I'm positive about Obama. He represents Hope.

[CK_John]

75. Obama is decision challenged, unable to take a firm position on anything. n/t

[Marrah_G]

77. I would answer your question if I thought you had any genuine interest in a conversation

Yes, sadly I am Jaded by this forum. If you did mean it sincerely then I apologize, but frankly these posts just end up in one big pile-on.

In a different situation I would be more then happy to answer.

[anamnua]

78. Google on 'narcissistic personality disorder' and 'entitlement' nt