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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:32 AM
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Anne Kornblut/The Washington Post Should Apologize for Violating A Deceased Woman's Privacy
It is the Washington Post which should apologize to Trina Bechtel's family. The writers of the WaPo, in their frenzy to create another story about Hillary, violated the families' privacy, which Senator Clinton left intact by declining to name the woman or the hospital or specific details in the case.

The only fact that Ann Kornblut knew was that the deputy sheriff really did tell Hillary the story she was telling. That was all that she should have printed. All the other details--names etc---she should have verified for herself before printing them. Hillary left them out for a reason. Kornblut was not as smart as Hillary, and she is the one who started the whole mess, libeling the woman's hospital and casting unwanted media attention on her family.

Here is the article called "In Speeches, Clinton Often Veers to the Dark Side."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/02/AR2008040203030_2.html?nav=hcmodule

But it is the story of the pregnant pizza worker to which Clinton comes back repeatedly. At a Democratic dinner on March 2, she recounted it in full. She told it at a late-night rally in Cleveland just two days before the Ohio primary March 4, bringing the noisy audience to near-silence. She told it again in Charleston, W.Va, last month. Even her daughter, Chelsea, who was with her mother in Ohio when she heard the story, repeated it at a campaign stop in Pennsylvania last week. Clinton was told the story by Bryan Holman, the Meigs County deputy sheriff, who said the deceased woman was Trina Bachtel, whom campaign officials had been unable to identify.

Bachtel, Holman said, had been turned away from the hospital not only for lack of $100 but also because she had unpaid bills -- a detail that Clinton has not mentioned. Public records show that Bachtel of Pomeroy, Ohio, died on Aug. 15, 2007, at age 35. She previously had thousands of dollars in hospital debt, but it was paid off by 2005.

"It was a really terrible story," said Holman, who said he voted for Clinton in the Ohio primary. He said he is grateful that she has taken Bachtel's story to heart. "That is what we wanted."


The Washington Post used hearsay from a man who was not in possession of the deceased woman's medical records in order to write this story in which it painted Bachtel's hospital of guilty of the act of turning her away for lack of funds--- a violation of federal law which can get a hospital stripped of its Medicare eligibility, essentially closing it down.

There is a significant difference between making a general statement about an unnamed woman who could be anyone and printing a story in the paper about a named woman. The Washington Post knew this, yet they give no indication that they attempted to contact the woman's family or hospital before printing her name. They were in too much of a hurry to portray Hillary as someone who tells gruesome stories. Note the picture with its caption by Anne Kornblut (more about her later):



Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, who spoke at Kings College in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., yesterday, often chooses to tell dark tales rather than use light phrases while campaigning.

This was more RNC anti-Hillary oppo. The WaPo did not care who got hurt along the way.

We all know that people die from lack of proper medical treatment at emergency rooms. Last year, Edith Elizabeth Rodriguez plead for help and even called 911 as she perforated a bowel and bled internally in a Los Angeles emergency room. Her pleas for help got her arrested. She died in handcuffs in the ER.

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977028731

Although emergency rooms are required by law (the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act) to see and stabilize everyone who comes through their doors, they are not required to treat a condition they deem "non-emergent" which is how a patient can slip through the cracks. If the physicians at one ER say that a headache due to a bleeding aneurysm is a tension headache and send a patient home with tylenol and the patient dies, medical malpractice may have occurred. If the patient had no insurance or was on Medicaid or some sort of partial pay insurance, often the family may suspect that substandard care was given for reasons of low profitability. Having done my residency at a teaching hospital that treated both no pay and full pay patients, I can confirm the fact that the latter were much more likely to receive the attention of faculty physicians. And this was twenty years ago. Since then, there has been a decrease in funding for public and teaching hospitals and an increased push for "non-profits" to increase their revenues.

Given the public concern about so called "patient dumping", emergency rooms that fail to meet the requirements of EMTALA, I can understand why the hospital that delivered the deceased woman's stillborn baby felt called upon to issue a statement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/05/us/politics/05woman.html?_r=1&ex=1365134400&en=7824b4f8ea3b363d&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

The woman, Trina Bachtel, did die last August, two weeks after her baby boy was stillborn at O’Bleness Memorial Hospital in Athens, Ohio. But hospital administrators said Friday that Ms. Bachtel was under the care of an obstetrics practice affiliated with the hospital, that she was never refused treatment and that she was, in fact, insured.

“We implore the Clinton campaign to immediately desist from repeating this story,” said Rick Castrop, chief executive officer of the O’Bleness Health System.

Linda M. Weiss, a spokeswoman for the not-for-profit hospital, said the Clinton campaign had never contacted the hospital to check the accuracy of the story, which Mrs. Clinton had first heard from a Meigs County, Ohio, sheriff’s deputy in late February.


I hope that the CEO and spokeswoman did what the WaPo did not do---contact the family and get permission before speaking to the press. Because in Ohio, the deceased have the same rights to privacy under HIPAA that the living do.

http://hipaa.ohio.gov/privacyrule/sec3b.htm#3.8

3.8.PHI of Deceased Individuals: CE must comply with requirements of the privacy regulations with respect to PHI of deceased individuals.


Finally, today, the family is quoted in the New York Post as saying that Hillary lied about the deceased. However, Hillary did not name her and the family was unaware that the deputy sheriff was under the wrong impression about the story (which he says he was told by a family member of the woman) until the Washington Post chose to run the unconfirmed story without checking it for accuracy.

Has the Wshington Post issued a retraction or apology for publishing untruths without bothering to fact check them? Hell no. They are trying to jump on the "Gore is a liar and Hillary is one too" bandwagon.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/05/a_tragic_tale_but_is_it_true.html

by Anne Kornblut "A Tragic Tale but Is It True" (note the title, The WaPo can't just call Hillary a liar because they printed the same story but with the significant addition of the name and that is what started this whole mess. So Kornblut tried some CYA by saying Well, it might have been true about some other hospital. Must not let it look like I shirked my duties and libeled a major hospital chain in my zeal to portray Hillary as Elvira Queen of the Dead. (Here's crossing my fingers and hoping the RNC and all the Obama supporters are so happy with me for finding another Hillary "lie" that they cover for me. Maybe KO will have me on Countdown)

If she is, it's because her campaign apparently did not adequately check the story Meigs County, Ohio, deputy sheriff Bryan Holman told Clinton and her daughter during a Feb. 28 campaign stop, about a young pregnant woman who died after being turned away from the hospital for lack of $100. Recently unearthed video from the campaign trail shows that Clinton heard the story of Trina Bechtel almost exactly as she has been repeating it for the better part of a month.

After The Washington Post drew attention to Clinton's oft-told story, officials from a local hospital where she was eventually treated demanded that Clinton stop telling the anecdote because it suggested the hospital had been at fault.

"We implore the Clinton campaign to immediately desist from repeating this story," Rick Castrop, chief executive officer of the O'Bleness Health System told the New York Times; his company runs the hospital where the woman's baby was stillborn.

The young woman later died in Columbus.

But it is unclear whether the hospital in question in Clinton's story is, in fact, O'Bleness.

According to deputy sheriff Holman, Bechtel sought treatment -- he did not know where -- from a hospital and was turned away because she could not make a $100 payment. Hospital officials said they demanded the Clinton campaign stop repeating the story because there are some people in their community who erroneously believed it referred to O'Bleness Health System.

"It's not for certain that it is us, but there are people in our community who believe that it is. We did have the patient, but we're not certain if she went somewhere else as well," explained Lynn Anastas, vice president of community relations for O'Bleness Memorial Hospital and the Health System. "There are a number of neighboring counties that have hospitals, she easily could have gone somewhere else." Bechtel did have health insurance, Anastas said, adding: "We did not turn her away."


A couple of points. Guess who else did not fact check. That is right. The newspaper which decided to investigate and publish the deceased woman's name. Now, why would any reputable newspaper do that? Are they itching for a libel lawsuit? Also, Kornblut says it was after the WaPo drew attention to Hillary's story that the family became upset, but that isn't it. Everyone had heard Hillary's story and no one put 2 and 2 together--because it didn't add up to Ms. Bachtel. The deputy sheriff got it wrong. But when the Washington Post threw in a name, that started all the trouble.

Clinton did the right thing. She gave voice to the concerns of a Democratic voter about a problem that really does happen while allowing a family to remain private.

The Washington Post did the wrong thing. It did a sloppy article for the sole reason of painting Hillary as some kind of macabre horror queen, and in the process it brought a grieving family into the limelight.

The right to privacy is one of the most important rights that patients have in America. The press apparently does not care. They will do anything to sell copy. There is no reason---not even a pressing need to portray Hillary as a liar---that should supersede people's right to be left the hell alone.

The press is also having a field day doing exactly what it did back in the early 1990s---portraying Hillary's push for universal health care as unnecessary. Don't listen to her we are being told subliminally. When she says that our health care system is broken she is nothing but a liar. She will take away our good insurance and kill us with bad care, just for spite, because she is a horror queen. .

Gore Vidal from Point to Point Navigation about a lecture he gave Hillary at his first dinner at the White House in the early 1990s.

http://www.drb.ie/fa_thoughtsfrom.html

talked about Washington in general. About Eleanor Roosevelt, whom I'd known and she was fascinated by. Then I began to probe, tactfully, I hope: How well did the Clintons understand just what they were up against? Did they know who actually owns and is rather idly running the United States - a very small class into which Bush had been born and trained and they had not. So, Who? What? How? I gave an example of poignant concern. In 1992 the country, by a clear majority, wanted a health service. But insurance companies, in tandem with the medical-pharmaceutical axis, have always denounced any such scheme as Communist, and so the media, reflecting as it must the will of the ownership, had decreed that such a system is not only unworkable but un-American . The ownership spent hundreds of millions of dollars on television advertisements 'proving' that under the Clinton plan each citizen would lose his own doctor and become a cipher in a computer (which he is pretty much anyway, thanks to the FBI, etc.), while its authors were guilty of everything from murder to ill-grooming.
As an old Washingtonian, I mentioned some of the ways in which the great corporate entities destroy politicians. 'It will never be on the issues. It will always be something unexpected. Something personal. Irrelevant. From long ago. Then they will worry it to death.'
'That's certainly true.' Mrs Clinton was grim. 'No story ever ends here. Even when it's over.'



'It will never be on the issues. It will always be something unexpected. Something personal. Irrelevant. From long ago. Then they will worry it to death.'

I never imagined that Gore Vidal would be talking about the people at DailyKos and DemocraticUnderground.

Now, I promised a few words about Kornblut. I have written about her work before, in my "Press vs. Hillary" series. Here is the Anne Kornblut page of shame at Media Matters. Yes, you can plug in any media whore (not a gender specific term, Fineman at Newsweek is one of the worst) and find out just what they have been up to). Anne Kornblut kisses McCain's wrinkly parts and savages Clinton whenever possible.

http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/tags/anne_kornblut

Here is my letter to the Ombudsman at the WaPo:

ombudsman@washpost.com

To the Ombudsman of the Washington Post:

Dear Deborah Howell;

One of your writers, Ann Kornblut wrote an article for the Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/02/AR2008040203030.html?nav=hcmodule

in which she inserted the name of a deceased woman into her column. As far as I can tell she made no attempt to contact the woman’s family to tell them that she was going to include this “heart-rending anecdote”, this “most shocking story” in a major national newspaper. Since she was able to determine the woman’s name, she should have been able to contact next of kin to obtain the verification of the story and their permission to use it. Sen. Clinton herself had not used the woman’s name or specifics. Kornblut even added details. “she had unpaid bills -- a detail that Clinton has not mentioned.”

When the woman’s hospital contacted the New York Times to say that they had been lied about, it was really your paper that committed the libel. Hillary used no names. Her story was generic as was appropriate with hearsay. She was giving expression to the concerns of Democrats without violating the privacy of the deceased woman and her family. In Ohio, the deceased have the same privacy rights as the living. These apply to health care providers but ethically, they should apply to everyone. The important point is that no one associated with the case knew that this story had anything to do with a specific woman, until Kornblut decided to publish this.

Now, she is trying to protect herself

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/05/a_tragic_tale_but_is_it_true.html

"Is Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton repeating an anecdote on the campaign trail that turns out not to be true?

"If she is, it's because her campaign apparently did not adequately check the story."

That is not the reason that the woman's hospital contacted the NYT or her family spoke to the New York Post. They did that because your newspaper named the woman. Kornblut damaged her reputation in the community and Kornblut put her hospital's Medicare reimbursements in jeopardy.( Any emergency room that turns away a patient for lack of funds will be stripped of Medicare. That is the law.) Since Hillary's story was generic, it put no one in any risk. When Kornblut named names without verifying anything, she put the family in the media spotlight, she put a hospital system in the spotlight, she made the hospital and the family antagonists.

Just because the press can find a detail, that does not mean that the press should print the detail without first verifying it. The proper way to approach this story would have been to report that the sheriff’s deputy exists and that he told a story as Sen. Clinton told it. That was the only fact that Ms. Kornblut knew and that she could responsibly repeat.

I am waiting to see the Washington Post issue a retraction and an apology.

McCamy Taylor


Maybe in reporting, just like medicine, they need a motto, first do not harm. All of these "lies" that Gore then Kerry then Hillary have been accused of have done no harm until the press has stepped in to hijack to news and use them to obscure real stories and real issues--like the tanking economy that should be making it impossible for McCain to get elected and Bush's attempts to invade Iran and the ongoing efforts by the DOJ to stonewall investigations of the administration while Democrats are persecuted. Why wasn't Ms. Kornblut writing on one of those topics?






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wpelb Donating Member (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:56 AM
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1. I understand the argument
However, when an anecdote is used to reinforce a candidate's position on an issue, fact-checking is inevitable. Is there in fact another person that this story is really about? Such does not appear to be the case. Sen. Clinton apparently heard this story from someone and presented it as fact. Political opponents, whether conservative bloggers and/or talk-show hosts (like Rush Limbaugh, Matt Drudge, Ann Coulter, or others of their ilk), or supporters of Sen. Obama, were bound to check the veracity of the details in the story, several key ones of which turned out to be true (though most turned out to be false). Sen. Clinton would have been wise to find another victim, get permission from the family to use the person's name and story, and go from there.

Don't blame the messenger. She may have done one or two things that were questionable on ethical grounds, but things like this probably happen a lot more often than we're aware of.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:42 AM
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5. Where was the fact checking? All Kornblut did was talk to the same source.
She checked no facts. So all she should have reported is "yes, someone really told this to Hillary, she did not make it up."

As for the "everyone does it argument" I do not sure that a lot of journalists report on sensitive medical cases with names without getting the families side of it first--at least not cases in which the family has not come forward themselves or in which the name has been obvious. You usually have to jump through lots of hoops to get patients names and info if you want to publish it for research reasons with the new privacy laws.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:36 PM
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30. Why do you keep lying about this
You say 'you usually have to jump through a lot of hoops to get patients names and info if you ant to publish it for research reasons with the new privacy laws.' Yet I've repeatedly pointed out to you that in this case that information had already been published in the death notices of the woman's local paper in August 2007. It was already in the public domain.
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 04:16 AM
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10. Questionable? More like potentially criminal.
She and whoever helped could find themselves in court as a defendant in the not that distant future. HIPAA isn't a joke.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:40 PM
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31. HIPAA doesn't apply
The hospital did not have to release the woman's name. It was published in the local newspaper in August 2007, as was the fact that she had had a stillborn baby. There were death notices published for both, which included the names of the hospital where the deaths occurred as well as the fact of the stillbirth.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:02 AM
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2. And now, a brief rebuttal to all this bullshit.
Clinton mentioned Meigs county when she told the story. And the biggest newspaper in Meigs county is the Daily Sentinel. And that newspaper, last August, published the death notices for both Ms. Bachtel and her child, which included the dates, names of the hospitals, and (briefly) the circumstances. For any journalist following up on a story about someone's death, the death notices in the deceased's local newspaper are the obvious place to start. I found them easily at the paper's website. Stillborn births are relatively rare, and the first death notice provides the name to search on. Having found this information, the natural thing for any reporter to do would be to ask the deputy if this was who he was talking about. Clinton telling the story repeatedly on the campaign trail is a legitimate news subject.

Your grumbly letter to the WaPo ombudsman takes no account of the fact that the information had already been published around the time of the unfortunate woman's death. Furthermore, the report about unpaid bills and so are clearly attributed to the source she is quoting, not offered as fact. I suspect that if/'when you get a reply it will essentially point out these same facts.

As for Clinton, I haven't called her anything in regards to this matter (indeed, I don't think I've ever called her anything but her name). Certainly candidates repeat stories they hear from voters all the time, but there's a difference between a voters' direct story of their own experience and hearsay about someone else. Repeating hearsay as fact often leads to controversy, and as an attorney Senator Clinton is surely aware of its unreliability. That she chose to use it anyway reflects poorly on her judgment. It wouldn't have been admissible in a court, and while standards in 'the court of public opinion' are considerably looser, breaching them rarely does any favors for the case one is trying to make before it.

I am sure no malice was intended on her part, but regardless of her motives the upshot is that she has probably lost some more of the voting public's good opinion.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:09 AM
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4. Yeah but the OP had 10 different links and a picture
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:56 AM
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6. "the natural thing for any reporter to do would be to ask the deputy if this was who he was talking
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 01:58 AM by McCamy Taylor
about" and then the next natural thing for a journalist to do would be to go to the next of kin who would be easy to locate to get their permission to use the story and to confirm the version told by someone who was a friend of the family but who was not there. If the sheriff had said "Joe Blow killed a man" she would go talk to Joe Blow or his family, right? Well, an emergency room turning a patient away is a very significant accusation to level at a specific hospital (the one that delivered the baby). You do not do it without proof.

Instead of doing her job, Ms. Kornblut has set her own newspaper up for a libel suit by a hospital chain which can argue that in publishing the woman's name and the story that she published, she told the world that a hospital ER turned a woman away for lack of funds. By telling the world that the woman did not have $100 and had debts, she can be sued by the woman's family for libel.

Anne Kornblut was very eager to write and publish that story, but she was not interested in doing her legwork. That was how she got in trouble.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:27 AM
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9. You're grossly mischaracterizing what was written
Well, you know it's the Sheriff making that allegation, not the Washington post. You appear to have reading difficulties, because you're mixing up remarks quoted by the writer with assertions of fact made by the writer. Kornblut does nothing like what you're suggesting: she quotes the Clinton speech (accurately), identifies the subject of the story (accurately, using previously published information) and then reports the remarks of the sheriff - accurately, I assume, or he'd have complained by now.

Make a big deal out of it if you want to - the article does not level accusations at the hospital, as any dispassionate reader can see for themselves.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:58 AM
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15. She was very interested in making Clinton look bad
that was her primary interest. Everything else was secondary.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:04 AM
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:53 AM
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18. you must have reading comprehension problem
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:33 PM
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26. Yes, smearin Hillary was the author's first goal
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nonoxy9 Donating Member (154 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 05:28 PM
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32. Since when is finding the truth a bad thing? Oh yeah, since Bush got into power!
Just another reason i've lost all respect for her.
Not the fact she made a mistake! But the fact that she is using Rove-ian tactics to cover up her mistakes.
How many more of these rambling excuses are you going to write, McCamy?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:20 AM
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8. I agree, no malice was intended by Hillary--yet when the media-and DU
--many of the BO fans keep the story upfront with the
work LIE in almost every post---that is malice--and eagerness
to spread their own lies. And like the WPost--they should
apologize.
Maybe the WP will have to--but their is no accountability for DU.
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InfiniteNether Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:44 AM
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12. Some people have pointed out that RNC toads are stirring the
pot. I don't react with glee at every little Clinton misstep. And I don't think the majority of Obama's supporters do, either. But Rove's toads are good at pushing buttons. That's their nature.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:00 AM
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16. Yes, even here on this forum
and its very difficult to tell the difference between Rove's toads and Obama supporters.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:56 AM
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14. Clinton was swiftboated by the WaPo
and its very interesting that you, an average, run-of-the-mill poster on a political forum, seems to have done so much extensive research on this story and know so much of its background. Very interesting.

This whole situation sounds more like a set up, every day.

Tell me, what kind of "insurance" did this woman have?
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:06 AM
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3. Interesting and thoughtful post.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:06 AM
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7. K&R. For excellent principles and research.
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InfiniteNether Donating Member (155 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:31 AM
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11. I agree. The Washington Compost sucks.
People being denied medical treatment for lack of money is a recurring theme in this country. It doesn't matter that maybe in this particular case it didn't happen. I don't like Hillary, but this story is being used not only to attack her, but to cast doubt on the whole healthcare debate. I wish Obama would point this out. This is something he must defend Clinton on. All of us must. Forget the "gotcha" bullcrap for now please.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:52 AM
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13. Clinton protected patient privacy, the WaPo and hospital didn't
and we may never know the full facts of this case. Either way, I trust a deputy sheriff before I trust a WaPo reporter and a hospital administrator who had a woman and child die under his watch.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:24 AM
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20. Wish BO fans would recognize this instead of acting like sheep
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:27 AM
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21. What does Barack Obama have to do with Hillary's mis-statements?
By the way, what dead people do you know that still maintain their "privacy" about their deaths?

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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:50 AM
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22. I post a link. In Ohio, the HIPAA statute gives the deceased full medical privacy protection.
You are correct that Sen. Obama has nothing to do with this case.However, if Keith Olbermann follows his usual pattern, he will bump some real news to give this one the 5 minute "Hillary is a liar" treatment--and since everyone knows he supports Obama, this then becomes oppo for Obama in the eyes of Democrats. As with the Canadian "I overheard someone at a party say Hillary's name so this changes everything story" KO will end up looking foolish and Obama will look like a dirty trickster (because you know that there is a hard core Dem base that remembers Watergate which is sure that someone in Canada who has made a deal with Obama who made up the Hillary rumor to cover their guy a la Nixon dirty tricks)

Obama should politely ask KO to put a sock in his mouth. He makes Obama look bad in a way that the guys at Fox never will.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:32 PM
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25. Can you read??----I said "BO fans"
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 09:18 AM
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19. I resent that you bring Gore into your argument at least twice and Kerry once
"All of these "lies" that Gore then Kerry then Hillary have been accused...." Gore was accused of exaggerating, which was more a function of the way they parsed everything said extending it as far as possible - then arguing that their own extreme interpretation was not true. With Kerry, he was never caught in a lie - never. The fact is that both Kerry and Gore are atypically honest and clean for politicians - in fact the "kool Kidz in the media found them not fun enough because of their seriousness, purpose and integrity - though I think both would be more fun to meet than HRC. (With other JK group people, I have met Kerry, but not Gore.)

On the other hand, there have been cases where what HRC has said has NOT matched reality. Some can be explained away, but some were just not true.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:56 AM
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23. These are all the same corporate media smear campaigns. Exactly the same.
The RNC uses the same people even. And sometimes Democrats do it too.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200406/green
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:08 PM
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28. I see your point on that - the problem is that some of the Clinton stories
are not lies. Neither Kerry or Gore have the ethics problems that the Clintons do. You are using the fact that they are seen as having integrity to impute the same to HRC.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:32 PM
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24. OH NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! THAT IS A LAME EXCUSE---> BULLSHIT ALERT HERE
I understand that Hillary did not mention the woman's name.....

BUT WITH THE INTERNET, THE RESEARCHERS, THE ENEMY GOP, AND SO ON.....

------- SO THERE IS THIS WOMAN, A WIFE OF SOMEONE BUT I WON'T SAY WHO
-------------BUT IT RHYMES WITH F L A M E

....ONCE A POLITICIAN BRINGS UP A STORY AND RETELLS IT A FEW HUNDRED TIMES TO THE PRESS....
HOW IS THAT HONORING ANYONES PRIVACY..... B U L L S H I T

so this black guy, a spanish guy, a woman, and 6 white guys walk into a bar....
.....w00h00.. democratic debate after party ! ! ! !

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:56 PM
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27. If her name ever appeared in a local newspaper, they had the right to
re-report the story.. and once you are deceased, you lose a lot of "rights"..

The one to blame is HRH, for refusing to vet the story before she continued use it over and over and over..

a sad story like that would not be that hard to check out.. there is "the google" :)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:22 PM
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29. "Why wasn't Ms. Kornblut writing on one of those topics?"--cause she gets her kicks by smearing a
Democrat.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:25 PM
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33. Turns out Hillary told the TRUTH according to family. Kornblut admits it
in this article

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/04/07/clinton_told_true_tale_of_woe.html

however, you have to wonder if the WaPo would have bothered to investigate to get the facts if their own reported and newspaper were not staring at a big libel suit.

Note that KO today asked if Hillary should get a Mulligan on this one? How can he even ask something like this? And then Dana Milibank, who once wrote the lie that the Bush administration never lobbied for the House bill to give money to Enron to bail it out before its bankruptcy (easily disproved at the time Milbank wrote it by a websearch) had the nerve to mischaracterize the story to make it sound like Hillary had made it all up, not mentioning that it was the WaPo that caused all the controversy in the first place with its half assed reporting.

So, as predicted, KO did use that story. He also ran a clip from What's Up Doc and compared Hillary to Madeline Khan which immediately made me think of a different character from a different movie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N77uqGZPUPw

KO is a lot this guy sometimes, and no I do not mean Tony Curtis's character.
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