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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 09:55 PM
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Clinton campaign, Ickes has 10 staffers directly working to forestall superdelegate defection.
At least according to this NYT article tonight. I know they have moving toward Obama, but I did not realize this many people were actually actively working on this.

The article begins with mention of a Montana superdelegate who is planning to endorse Obama, I gather tomorrow.

Tough Math for Clinton

Margaret Campbell, a Montana state legislator, plans to declare her support for Senator Obama, of Illinois. She becomes the 69th superdelegate he has picked up since the Feb. 5 coast-to-coast string of primary elections and caucus votes.


Then it mentions the uphill battle Clinton is fighting to get enough superdelegates to win.

Mrs. Clinton tried again this weekend to stem the erosion, speaking to Ms. Campbell on a campaign swing through Montana. But Ms. Campbell declined to hold out any longer, saying, “Senator Obama reminds me of why I’m a Democrat.”

Even if Mrs. Clinton narrows Mr. Obama’s delegate lead to 100, and if no further superdelegates make commitments through the end of the primaries, she’d wake up June 4 needing to win over two-thirds of the still- uncommitted superdelegates.


Here is the stunning part though, that caught my eye. Harold Ickes has a staff of ten working on these superdelegates.

Aides said time was actually in Mr. Obama’s favor. The longer he demonstrates he can withstand the heat of a national campaign, they say, the more willing party leaders seem to be to embrace him. “What we’re seeing now is a trickle of people making that final decision to publicly commit,” says Jeffrey Berman, Mr. Obama’s chief delegate tracker.

His counterpart for Mrs. Clinton, Harold Ickes, directs 10 staffers working full time to forestall further defections. Mr. Ickes says the campaign can preserve a large enough pool of holdouts for her to rally before the Denver convention.

“Based on what we’re seeing,” Mr. Ickes said, “most of them are waiting and watching and holding their powder.”


And of course the article has to quote that rising star, Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Two of her statements are outrageous spins. See if you can guess.

Especially in some of the states that have yet to vote, the Wright affair “is a big vulnerability,” said Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, a Clinton superdelegate. And “all of this delegate stuff is artificial,” she added, alongside the reality that the party’s nominee must be able to carry big states like hers, where Mrs. Clinton won a disputed victory; Ohio, where she triumphed last month; and Pennsylvania, where she leads in polls.


There she goes again...pushing the Jeremiah Wright controversy and saying that "delegate stuff is artificial."

That all reminds of how people are pretending Florida had such pure motives in moving up the primary. That they were guiltless, they were bullied by the GOP.

But lest anyone really choose to think that, contemplate once again the famous words of the Democrat who introduced the bill.

"If the choice is Florida is relevant and has no delegates versus being irrelevant and having delegates, I'd choose being relevant with no delegates," Ring said. "We did this so 18 million Floridians could take part in the presidential primaries, not so a few hundred people can go to a party in Denver."

We blew up the primary system


Someone tell the Clinton campaign about this fellow. He also said no one fooled him. He wanted this from the beginning.

“If you turn on the left wing liberal radio down in Broward, I am public enemy number one,” said Ring, who actually campaigned in 2006 on the need for an early primary and makes no apologies for his leading the effort. “I hear that a lot, that I was duped by the Republicans. No one duped me.”


See, he wanted it all along. The rest went along and voted for it 115 to 1.

He said more. He said ""My hope is we've blown up the whole primary system," Ring said. "It would be the biggest legacy we'll get from this legislation."

The Clinton campaign is using FL and MI as tools. The two states are allowing themselves to be used. It is no longer a joke, it is her road to the convention....a road that will be paved with anger and combativeness.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:02 PM
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1. Nixon had his burglars, now Hill has her thieves too
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:33 PM
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42. what the hell is wrong with florida? A pox on that wasserman cow too.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:15 PM
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2. It's interesting that they have so many....
..people working those delegates, but Obama is getting most of the endorsements.

Maybe some of those SuperDs are sick and tired of the Clintons calling them up
and reminding them, "Remember, when I did x for you? I need your support. Can
I count on your support? Reverend Wright...blah, blah, blah....he can't win...blah,
blah, blah...you owe me a favor...blah, blah, blah..."

Very interesting that, despite the Clinton tag team---she's not getting the SDs like
Obama is.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:25 PM
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9. From TheDoorBellRang's post on another thread..
TheDoorbellRang (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-06-08 10:07 PM
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13. I just had to look up how far we've come
I don't think there's any site that agrees with another about who has how many delegates, but this site, http://respublica.typepad.com/respublica/2008/02/delegate-count.html had an article from February 4th that said Clinton had 213 super delegates and Obama had 127.

So Clinton's gained 32 and Obama's gained 93 since then.
Hatred never ceases by hatred; But by love alone is healed. This is an ancient and eternal law.

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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:16 PM
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3. He may have 10 staffers... but they are failing miserably.... +69 SDs for Obama since 2/5
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:22 PM
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8. Earning their money the Penn way. By being horrible at their job.
:)
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ihelpu2see Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:28 AM
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28. And what gets me is that CNN has Ickes on ALL THE TIME... ???
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:18 PM
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4. Hope they have "Happy Pills"..they'll need them. n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:19 PM
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5. clinton surrogates LIE so ickes
saying what he does means less than zero to me.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:19 PM
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6. Another great post MadFloridian
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:21 PM
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7. Her SD lead is down to 24...meanwhile, what is with Debbie Wasserman-Schulz?
'All this delegate stuff is artificial'? What's the reality - arm-twisting in convention back rooms? No thanks.
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:35 PM
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11. I used to really like DWS. But she has shown herself to be
just another inside the beltway type this season. Very disappointing.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:27 PM
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34. Even worse than her contortions in support of Clinton is her failure to challenge ...
... her Republican buddies against whom the Dems are fielding candidates.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:26 PM
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33. Yes, "delegates", the one measure of choosing our nominee, are irrelevant
The Clinton camp has long since passed thru the looking glass.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:28 PM
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10. I'll bet Mr. Icky's math skills are lacking, too
Mr. Ickes says the campaign can preserve a large enough pool of holdouts for her to rally before the Denver convention.


Obama only needs about a third of the 327 remaining super D's to win. Is Mr. Icky's pool larger than 220? I really, really doubt it.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:40 PM
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12. Here they are IN ACTION!
Edited on Sun Apr-06-08 10:45 PM by Kristi1696




It was a big blow when this guy left the team...



And those poor young superdelegates, they're getting the worst of it.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2007/09/20/meyer4_wideweb__470x337,0.jpg
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:28 AM
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27. Nobody thought this was funny?
*sigh*

;)
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:43 PM
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13. Amazing. So they are working how many delegates apiece?
Can you imagine getting that call every few days? "So, you're still with Hillary, right? No wire hangers!"
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-06-08 10:44 PM
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14. K & R
:thumbsup:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:15 AM
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15. Video of Hillary last year accepting the DNC rules about FL and MI
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:52 AM
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16. If they can afford it, they ought to think about doubling that. n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 12:56 AM
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17. hmmmmmmmm
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:01 AM
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18. Ya, ok.
to be really effective, maybe they need to hire one to assign to each unpledged super. Even then I doubt it would help much at this point.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:03 AM
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19. About ridiculous - not the popular vote, not delegates, not SD's. but Jeremiah Wright
that is the real measure determining this primary election. One last straw to hold on to...
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:05 AM
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20. A ridiculous waste of money and resources. Plus, it won't change her inevitable loss.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:15 AM
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21. “Senator Obama reminds me of why I’m a Democrat.”
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:31 AM
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22. I can't even fathom why they think badgering will work at this point.
This doesn't seem to be an experienced, professional team imo. They're grasping at straws.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:42 AM
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23. Hope Ickes does his usual great job holding on to the supers
I hope it works.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:04 AM
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24. Ickes is as icky as the rest of the camp - can we toss them...
...out of the Democratic party?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 10:41 AM
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25. More about Ickes I would just as soon not know.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08097/870606-176.stm

"And the man in charge of Clinton's effort to lock up superdelegates is Mr. Ickes, whose enthusiasm for no-holds-barred politics sometimes rattles friends and foes alike. Mr. Ickes once got so carried away that he bit another political operative on the leg. Now, some 35 years later, at age 68, he's mellowed so little it could happen again.

"It depends on how heated the circumstances are," he says."

"Aggressive, profane, openly scornful of rivals, Mr. Ickes rules Clinton's superdelegate operation with an intimidating style and a mythic persona. He is "adviser, consigliere, enforcer and strategist" rolled into one, says Dick Harpootlian, a former chair of the South Carolina Democratic Party who backs Sen. Barack Obama."

"Even inside the Clinton court, Mr. Ickes does not hold back. Last year, when senior Clinton aide Mark Penn appeared not to grasp the basics of delegate selection, Mr. Ickes mockingly asked, "Could it be that the vaunted 'chief strategist' of the vaunted Hillary Clinton campaign does not understand?"

In a Clinton campaign that can seem machine-like, Mr. Ickes is conspicuous for his idiosyncrasies. When a female aide noticed his dress shirt unbuttoned practically to the navel, she said it was like glimpsing an unzipped fly."




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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 11:24 AM
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26. The number of full-time staffers trying to persuade supers surprised me, also. I know
a presidential campaign is a large organization, but 11 people just to phone about 300 supers? Seems like a lot, but Richardson said the Clinton campaign phoned him all the time, while Obama used a much softer sell, with only Obama himself phoning occasionally. It seems the Clinton hard sell didn't work with Richardson, but apparently Edwards likes it.

Gotta love that classic quote from Wasserman Schultz: "All of this delegate stuff is artificial." You can't make this stuff up.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:33 PM
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29. Wasserman Schultz and Nelson... they have sold their souls
for Hillary to win. Making up rules as they go along.

Pretending the real rules are "artificial".

This is just astounding to me.
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tokenlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:29 PM
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35. Just like Gov. Granholm, Sen Stabenow, and Levin in MI....
They said some of the strangest stuff about the primary and a possible recount up here. In the past I always thought two out of the three were intelligent--but in Clinton supporter mode it brought out the strangest comments....
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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 01:35 PM
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30. Ten staffers - obviously not enough
Before the primaries, the Clinton campaign sought oaths of fealty from various superdelegates, encouraging them to support her early. Why the different strategy now? HMMMM.:shrug:
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 02:11 PM
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31. What's wrong with HRC doing everything that is legal to win the nomination?
If only Gore had fought for his own election half as hard as HRC is fighting for the nomination, maybe history would be a lot different for all of us?
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:31 PM
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36. Some people may be taking issue with the unethical behavior and backing-out of pledges ...
... because, as with the 2000 election you cite, it may be indicative of how a candidate would act once in office. Rules, pledges, and voters be damned.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:31 PM
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37. She wants to reinvent the party rules.
Only Hillary folks think that is ok.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:07 PM
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41. What in the hell are you talking about?
Gore did everything possible to attempt to win that election. He conceded in December for christ sakes.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:27 PM
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45. What is it you think Gore should have done?
After the Supreme Court Decision? Of course, that was a federal election, and this is a Primary. Do you think the Clinton's are planning some kind of court case?
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 03:24 PM
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32. Ok, does DU have a feature where I can auto-recommend all of madFL's posts?
THANK YOU, as always.
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leaningprog Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:23 PM
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38. what makes you think they haven't worked like a charm?
Edited on Mon Apr-07-08 06:24 PM by leaningprog
I don't think Mr.Ickes is incompetent at all regardless of my personal
opinion of his methods. He is putting all of his personal political
capital on the line and he has 10 other competent people manning the
phones. Someday when this is over, his efforts will be shown to
have prevented the end for Hillary at least two times by this
point in the primary. What his political capital is buying
for certain is that when this election cycle is finished,
if our party is still intact, Democrats are going to demand
the dismantling of much of the nonsense that appears to be
our equivalent of the human version of a Diebold machine.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:05 PM
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40. (was this reply intended for me?) n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:52 PM
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43. Welcome to DU...several new folks in this thread. Must have touched a nerve.
Sorry about that, but the tactics they are using are damaging. I don't know Ickes, I understand his dad was a great guy. I understand Ickes has built a great Catalist database. It was meant in opposition to the DNC. It is my understanding it is being used by Hillary in direction competition to the one built by the DNC this time.

If his tactics are working why aren't the superdelegates swarming to Hillary?
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 06:44 PM
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39. way to go, the OP is linked on Buzzflash.com's home page today
excellent job!

Right now this is linked in middle column halfway down on www.buzzflash.com
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 07:56 PM
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44. Excellent OP.
:thumbsup:
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-07-08 08:34 PM
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46. 18 Million Floridians..
4 million Democrats..and yet 1.7 million voted in the Florida Democratic Primary. Every state has had record turn-outs, but not Florida. It seems like these 2 states out of 50, have made themselves relevant, but not in a good way.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-08-08 11:43 AM
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47. Now one of those "tools" is suing Dean and the DNC for reverse discrimination.
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