Obama supporters, I am BEGGING you, STOP THE HATRED

[democrattotheend]

I don't know if it's gotten worse over the past few days or if the Clinton folks have toned it down a bit, but this place is just over the top with hateful posts about Senator Clinton and it is counterproductive in so many ways. It kills me to have a candidate that I am so proud of tarnished by supporters who post sexist, demeaning, and hateful crap about his opponent. We really need to think about how our posts reflect on our candidate, and stop posting crap that is so at odds with Obama's message of unity and hope.

It does nothing for our cause and it just makes the Clinton supporters angrier and lowers their opinion of Obama (no matter what you say about judging a candidate by the way his supporters on a message board behave, it is hard not to be affected by it) and will make it harder to get them on board if/when Obama becomes the nominee.

During the Wright controversy, I was upset that some Clinton supporters seemed unable to see that it was a right wing smear attack and unwilling to help us fight back, but how can we expect them to when we post such awful crap about their candidate constantly?

Instead of attacking Clinton all day long, let's work on convincing people online and off why Obama is the better candidate, or at least why he's worth voting and volunteering for in the fall if he gets the nomination. I'm not saying we shouldn't post criticism of Clinton, but some of the stuff I have seen lately has made me almost embarrassed to be an Obama supporter. I imagine that if he or any of his staff saw some of our posts they would cringe!

These are a few of my suggestions for Obama supporters who care how our behavior reflects on our candidate:

1) Stop with the sexist attacks. Stop calling her a bitch, a whore, Shrillary, Mrs. Bill, or any of the other garbage I have seen her called here, particularly since the whole Randi Rhodes controversy began. Stop attacking her for getting choked up, and stop accusing her of "whining" (that may not have a sexist intent but it sounds that way to some people; use "complaining" instead).

2) Stop calling her other names that degrade her as an individual, such as "filthy", "monster", etc. Call her tactics despicable if you feel that way, or call her behavior selfish, but don't say that she is a despicable or selfish human being. Criticize her behavior, not her as a person.

3) Stop saying it's over, and limit the calls for her to drop out. It is not over and she is not giving up, and calls for her to drop out only make her supporters more motivated to help keep her in it and more resentful towards Obama. If you want this to be over, try to travel to Pennsylvania or make phone calls, and help Obama pull off a miracle and win there, in which case just about everyone believes it really would be over.

4) Stop using "Hillbots" and other derogatory names for Clinton supporters, and stop calling Clinton's voters old and stupid and ignorant.

5) Help police other Obama supporters. Report offensive posts to the moderators, or post responses saying that you don't agree with another supporter's statement to help make it clear that an offensive poster does not speak for all of us.

6) Certain Clinton supporters here can be just as offensive and hateful, but that's their problem. If they make you mad, either put them on ignore or channel your anger into making calls or donating to Obama. Try not to get sucked into their hateful threads (although I admit I've been guilty of that myself), or if you must get sucked in, don't stoop to their level and start spewing hate about Clinton.

7) Treat Clinton supporters here like undecided voters for the fall, and try to convince them to vote for Obama and get involved instead of attacking them.

8) One of the things I love about Obama is his willingness to listen to differing opinions and see multiple sides of an issue, and to disagree without being disagreeable. Try to follow his lead and keep an open mind. Recognize that not everything Clinton does is evil and compliment her when she proposes a policy you like or does something classy.

9) Pretend that you are on Obama's campaign staff, and everything you say represents the campaign. Think about how you would behave if you were Obama's official blogger or spokesperson.

10) (This one is for both sides): Try to remember that we're all Democrats here, and at the end of the day, most of us share the common goal of getting a Democrat elected. Try not to get so caught up in the battle that we lose the war because we hate each other so much. Either way, we have a chance to make history this year, and let's not let the nomination battle divide us so much that we're not all motivated to do everything we can to make it happen in November.

So, Obama supporters (and Clinton supporters too, if you want to join in), who is with me? Who will pledge to try their very best to be a positive spokesperson for our candidate and think before we post hateful garbage about what it accomplishes, how it reflects on Obama, and whether or not it is in line with his message of unity and changing the political discourse for the better?

[dogday]

1. An Obama supporter calls for civility...

I am afraid this won't last long, however I commend you on this post and will recommend...

[democrattotheend]

22. It might if more rational supporters of both candidates help police their own

[dogday]

25. I have seen calls from both sides to stop the madness

but alas I see posts, just like the one below I responded to, that just can't seem to stop, not even for the moment.. No wonder I don't like either candidate....

[screembloodymurder]

40. She started it!

Just kidding.

[Spiffarino]

227. Don't trust those posters

Most of them are low-rent anyway, and more than a few are probably disruptors.

One of them used the word n----r the other day, minus the self-censorship. He had all of 43 posts under his belt and had been here for less than a month. There is a lot of it going around, so keep in mind you may not be dealing with a committed progressive on the other end of that hateful rant.

Peace.

[Orsino]

46. I think people are already policing each other exactly as much as they want to...

...this being a small-d democracy. Too many people like the infighting; I believe it will only die down slowly after a nominee has been chosen.

We can wish all we like, but until we can alert on a real TOS violation, the feuding will continue.

[PoliticalAmazon]

124. @!$#! I don't need anyone policing me, thank you ver much...

...We are all entitled to our opinions, and entitled to express them in the way we wish to, as long as we don't break Forum Rules.

If you want to stop the hatred, then get Hillary Clinton out of the race. Daily she earns the hatred going her way.

Do you expect us to lay down and play doormat when she blames Obama supporters for all of the calls for her to get out of the race? How about when she casts us as delusional? How about all of the race-baiting? Her unending lies? Her complete lack of ethics and integrity?

She deserves hatred as much as Bush Jr does. If you want it to stop, go to the source, don't blame the victim.

[Name removed]

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[PoliticalAmazon]

185. HRC uses same campaign tactics as Bush Jr. She is big on secrecy...

...like GWB. She lies perhaps even more than GWB, and what is worse she lies about personal experience, for which there is no excuse.

She makes up stupid excuses to explain her problems, just like Bush Jr. She turns on those who don't support her, just like GWB. She claims she is a uniter, like Bush Jr does, when she is actually very divisive, as is Bush Jr.

She uses scare tactics to get her way, just like Bush Jr does. She uses her power of office to benefit herself, her family and her cronies, just like Bush Jr does.

She won't apologize for what she has done or admit she was wrong, just like Bush Jr won't.

She lies about those who oppose her, making up stupid accusations to try to lessen the impact of her opponents (saying that Obama supporters are calling for her to leave the race because they don't want people to have their chance to vote is a lot like Bush Jr calling those who oppose him "Freedom haters" and "benchmark haters."

By the way, you statement that, because you don't like my opinion, I'm not a Democrat and I shouldn't be at DU is also a very Bush-Jr tactic.

If HRC doesn't want to be compared to Bush Jr, she should stop acting like him. And if you don't like her being criticized for being like Bush Jr, convince her to straighten her fucking act up and quit attacking Obama supporters.

[sellitman]

195. I am not a Hillary fan but

You exaggerate her downside a bit much. She is a politicians politician though and will do anything to win. I don't believe Obama is far behind her in his zeal but to compare either Obama or Hillary to bush doesnt have a ring of truth to it and it does nothing to advance our cause. That cause is BTW .... to put a Democrat in office. I'd prefer Obama but if Hillary happens to pull it out then she is far and away preferable to McNasty.

[PoliticalAmazon]

197. Look at HRC & GWB's characteristics, not what you want to believe about them...

...I think we are not being honest when we fail to view all people using the same standards.

I wrote what I believe are the characteristics that HRC and GWB share. If you don't agree, tell me which ones and why you don't think they are valid.

[sellitman]

204. She has admitted she screws the pooch on the IRW vote for one.

She does admit to mistakes, something bush never has done. She isn't nearly as secretive as bush and for proof look at Bill's administration. Bush has taken secrecy to a new place. Almost across the board you exaggerate.

[The Doctor.]

221. Nah, there are some very large fundamental differences between them.

To suggest that they are similar is like comparing a mild cold to the bubonic plague.

Hillary has many issues, not the least of which is her DLC membership, but she is nowhere near the cancer that Bush represents.

[Viracocha711]

302. The Clintons are the left's Bushies...

As has been posted before the Clintons are very secrective dishonest power mongers...With progressive views and "big business" backing.

[The Doctor.]

306. "big business" isn't into "progressivism"... at all.

It's the last thing they want.

You see, there are no 'liberal/conservative', 'republican/democrat' divisions. Those are more an illusion now than substantive. Sure, there are some philosophical differences between liberalism and conservatism, but the country is not divided along those particular philosophical lines.

Right now, people are being brainwashed to think that it's 'conservative' to ignore international law, history, human rights, and even the Constitution. They're being instilled with a 'sports fan' mentality that has them defending policies and practices that no true conservative ever would... simply because they support the 'Republican Team'.

There is a segment of the population so blinded by team loyalty right now that they will fight against anyone they're told is 'on the other side'. Unfortunately, this manufactured division is helping the real criminals get away.

The corporations.

Right now, pharmacuetical, insurance, energy companies, and, until recently, banks have been having the time of their lives fleecing all of us. But while those of us who are paying attention are calling for measures to reign the corps in, the propaganda machine in control has their rabidly loyal troops fight back against reforms that are in all the people's best interest.

That's right, we are at $4/gallon gas right now, but the 'right' is being programmed to think it has to do with people that don't want more drilling. The fact of the matter is that if more refineries were built to alleviate the supply bottleneck, or if Iraq's oil were allowed back online, we could see $1/gallon gas again. When defense contractors own the media, damn straight they're going to promote war.

They don't want the country to know that though... because then they wouldn't be a profitable.

So, they (through their media proxies), maintain illusory divisions to ensure that nothing is done. Unfortunately, there are plenty of Americans who simply aren't interested, or don't have the time to learn about these issues. If people did, everyone would be a little more 'progressive', and the corporations would have to find ways to be honest and profitable.

Fat chance of that when they can write profitability into the law and control what most Americans see and hear.

Here are some links I recommend, go ahead and cross-check the facts... everyone should be able to tell how valid a source is;
http://www.currencytrading.net/2007/20-hidden-ways-the-iraq-war-is-affecting-the-us-dollar/

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1406

http://www.mediachannel.org/ownership/chart.shtml


Oh... and welcome to DU. :hi:

[The Doctor.]

222. dupe

[Zhade]

219. "She uses scare tactics to get her way" - remember the "your kids will die if Obama's elected" shit?

Good memory, I'd almost forgotten that due to her current pathological lying.

[Why Syzygy]

253. You are so right on.

It is too late for people to appeal to her *station* as reason enough to ignore glaring faults.
THAT'S another GWB. Entitlement.

And do not dare speak an ill word against your Better!
Same song second verse. Or in this case, 4th verse.

[Blue Fire]

199. Hillary endorsed Sen(ile) Same-ol' McLame as a better POTUS candidate than her fellow Democrat!

Was that like, positively rovian or what? :puke:
How does that make her any more a Democrat than PoliticalAmazon?

[Zhade]

217. Liberal non-Democrats are welcome here. Read the fucking About section sometime.

Hell, there are self-identified conservative (assholes) allowed to post here.

The difference between clinton and b*s* is in degree, not kind. She lies as easily as he does.

And like him, there's evidence that proves her lies.

[Radio_Lady]

271. Political Amazon, you are spreading BS all over the place.

Joined in February 2008, low post count, VERY VITRIOLIC AND VERBAL and making absolutely no connection with the OP.

And WHAT about your website?

http://www.politicalamazon.com

"This website is down for mainteance and reorganization.
Sorry for the inconvenience..."

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

On edit: Checked downthread for your responses, trying to figure out who you are and what you are trying to say.

Looked at the "new" website, and I have no idea what the Free Congress Foundation is or was or what your CURRENT message seems to be. OK. You're a Democrat.

But Clinton was in no way as bad as Bush.

Maybe it would help if you update your "newer" site. "Copyright © 2000/2001, Celeste/Political Amazon
All Rights Reserved"

Sorry to malign you currently and even formerly while you suckled at your mother's breast. I stand corrected but still puzzled.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

[pnwmom]

164. Oh yes. And Gore and Bush were Tweedledum and Tweedledee.

So said the brilliant minds who threw the election to Bush in 2000.

Yup, no difference at all. Gore/Bush. HRC/Bush.

:sarcasm:

[PoliticalAmazon]

191. ??I was passionately for Gore....

I was a strong supporter of Gore (still am), and expended a great deal of effort in that election and in the Florida debacle.

Before I took it down for refurbishing, my website (www.politicalamazon.com) was full of anti-Bush information.

My page "Bush-O-Rama!" was filled with links to information about Bush scandals, as well as details from my research in Texas.

My "Scaife-O-Rama" page was filled with information about Scaife's efforts to bring down Bill Clinton, including details I learned when researching in Arkansas.

My "Taiwangate: The scandal that threatens to destroy the Bush White House" was very popular, and is reproduced widely on the internet.

Another page, "The Secrets of the Free Congress Foundation," was written when the Free Republic joined with the Free Congress Foundation, one of Paul Weyrich's groups, to host a congratulatory dinner for the House impeachment committee. I wanted people to know what kind of a group was congratulating the House impeachment committee. It was, by far, my most popular work ever. I had big-name newspaper journalists writing me and asking me to be put on the distribution list (I released one "secret" a day). That web page is back up: http://www.politicalamazon.com/fcf.html

I did all of the research and documentation on the medical examiner that issued a fradulent coroner's report on Lori Klausutis, the intern who was murdered in Joe Scarborough's office. I spent days doing interviews in Missouri, where the ME (Berkland) had lost his license, collecting information and records on him.

I have decades of activist experience and work for the Democratic Party. I went to my first union meeting when I was less than 6 weeks old, at my mother's breast. She was a union activist (worked with Will Greer and others), and I spent many Saturdays at my dad's union hall doing whatever needed to be done.

My ancestry goes back to a signer of the Constitution and DOI, Benjamin Harrison. I have a book rack that William Henry Harrison made out of cherry wood from a tree he felled on his Indiana property, and he made the rack with his own hands. It has the original varnish and wire hanger. It hangs next to my computer. I also have WHH's glasses that he wore when he gave his inauguration speech.

So don't EVEN begin to tell me I'm not a Democrat and I don't belong at DU. You cannot discount my opinion that way.

I don't form opinions without thorough research. I used to be a Clinton supporter, but I can't support them when they now represent everything I think is wrong with America.

[dorktv]

263. Anyone ever notice how on an anonymous internet website one can have

a perfect pedigree?

So yes, we can accuse you of not being a Democrat. Especially since you have less than now a 1,000 posts.

[TBF]

285. 1,000 posts to be a democrat --

Wow, I better get to work then.

Painting Strike signs with my dad when I was little, voting for Clinton twice, Gore, and Kerry... and unfortunately I didn't have the foresight to know that I should have been at DU pontificating.

Granted I'm sure the site traffic has picked up during this primary (I only found out about this site when a friend at a non-political forum gave me a link for an article here), and I'm sure you've seen the Republican troll traffic pick up as well, but is everyone a suspect until they get to your magic number?

[Patriot Abroad]

296. I too am sick of the 1000 posts to be a democrat shctick.

Fair enough if someone's got six posts and are coming out guns blazing with a particular agenda - there's a lot of these "member of Democratic Underground for 12 minutes" types showing up these days.

As to the larger issue of Obama supporters needing to tone it down, I would like to see less negativity - there has been arrogance and negativity on both sides through this long campaign (but I will note as well that it is the nature of politics).

And I would like to see the Democrats swictch to the "win all the candidates per state" that the Republicans are using, to try to limit the chance of this happening in the future.

[dorktv]

309. I am not saying that a person is automatically not a D when they have low post numbers...

just that it is less likely for someone to believe a person being so damn nasty to a D is a D when they have low post numbers and are being nasty towards someone who is a D.

[dorktv]

308. People can have skeptism because *gasp* those with low post numbers

have been in the past freepers.

I can say anything I want on here and how can you know I am telling the truth?

I could even claim to be Linda Ronstadt and how would you know if I am telling the truth or not?

[RaleighNCDUer]

228. There is a big difference.

Gore rejected the DLC, which is why HE got slammed.

Hillary embraces the DLC, which is why SHE is getting slammed.

And one statement is patently false - there's considerable grounds for the second.

[Name removed]

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[ProudHillaryClintonS]

188. A lot of us have beeb bumped off lately.

We're not "2-month non-contributing twits." There are a lot of new posters here because this site has become a worship-Obama site.

[No Blood for Hubris]

248. Yes. It's gotten more and more like DKos and Americablog

and all the other places I no longer bother going, due to their irrational Hillary-hatred.

[PoliticalAmazon]

194. Do you always post from a place of ignorance?....

So I won't be spamming, this link is to a previous post about my background:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5392998&mesg_id=5398683

I also in the past did political research for pay. Of course, the majority of what I did was not for pay. I am acknowledged in political books. One is "Fortunate Son."

I've also done a TON of research on the threat the religious right poses to our country. The following link is to my main page on Christian Reconstructionism, and at the bottom of that page are links to other CR pages on my website.

I've just started bringing information back online to my website--part of the refurbishment process.

I've done an enormous amount of research on Bush Jr (to fight against him) and the Clintons (to support them during the Nookiegate debacle).

I really do know what I am talking about.

[liberalcommontater]

178. Get Obama Out?

This whole primary has divided the Democratic Party and it has not been the candidates but boobs like you and those on MY SIDE, Hillary supporters, who would demonize Obama. They have been boobs too. Boobs, shitheads, idiots, createans, you fill in the word.

The ENEMY, ENEMY, ENEMY, ENEMY, ENEMY, ENEMY is over THERE. Bush, McCain, etc. Get it.

Your comments just prove again that we are too stupid to win and we deserve to lose and we will get what we deserve.

Think about that election night when our candidate loses and we are left wondering, WTF?

Your man is no saint, clay feet all. The higher you push him, the greater will be the expectation and the greater will be his fall.

Think about it - Gore could not win after the 1990's and McCain will win after the Bush reign if error. We are the ones doing something stupid.

[RaleighNCDUer]

225. 450 posts in two months, linked to an 'unavailable' website in the

otherwise empty profile.

You don't mind if we take your calls for hatred with a HUGE grain of salt, do you?

For your information, despite what the Hillary supporters may claim, very few here call her obscenities, very few claim to hate her, no matter how much they might despise the DLC and the undermining of the Democratic party her wing of the party has been responsible for.

Nobody is more loathe to see her in office than I, and I've made no secret of it for years, but I have gone no farther than to say she is a political whore or corporate whore - which applies equally well to most the DLC of either gender (though in the last week, after Randi, her more rabid supporters insist it is a mysogynistic sexual slur - fuck them).

The fact is, Obama supporters on DU try to avoid hate. Do a DU search of "Hillary - Bitch" and you will find that better than 95% of the references are Hillary supporters accusing Obama supporters of caller her a bitch. Admittedly, the posts they may be refering to may be tombstoned trolls, so they don't show in the search, but that only supports the premise that trolls calling Hillary names are not tolerated here - hate is discouraged.

So dial it back a bit.

[buff2]

258. Hey Hater!

<-----[ Freerepublic is that way. You are not a Democrat so go back to where you came from.

[ayak9]

261. Hillary could drop out graciously

Hillary could drop out graciously and mend the wounds she's created with nasty futile campaign and her Queen Bee entitlement bs. Then she could apologize to Obama and to Richardson and Howard Dean and all the "meaningless" caucus states and African Americans and... the list is endless. She could fire Mark Penn like she should have done after Iowa. We used to ask: "Why can't we have a Karl Rove on our side?" Well, we got one now, but it's debatable which side he serves.


Bush, Jr. is a hack - Hillary is whip smart. Therein lies the difference. Bush undoubtedly doesn't have a clue, never did. Hard to blame the patsy.

Hillary and Bill are well aware of what they do and why they are doing it. Why do think Bill is so buddied-up with Daddy Bush, and appears on Rush Limbaugh and meets with Richard Mellon Scaife? Not to mention Rupert Murdoch throwing fundraisers for Hillary. They're up to their ears with smarmy money-men at home and abroad, from Kazakhstan and the Emirites (Dubai ports deal) to the Saudi Royal Family.

Who's worse? What kind of choice is this?

[Radio_Lady]

280. Ayak9, please stop suggesting she "drop out graciously" because it isn't over 'til it's over.

Thank you for your five posts since 2002, Ayak9.

Our state of Oregon doesn't vote until May 20th. I have no idea where you are or who you are so maybe you're just through with your primary. Did you vote?

I want to have some say in my primary before any candidate wipes out. Otherwise, I might get YOUR candidate and not mine, and that wouldn't be fair. The system is complicated. I'm sorry a lot of other people dropped out but when it gets down to the last two -- I say let it play out.

Please read one or two books on democracy and maybe you will understand my position.

Cordially,

Radio Lady

(A 69 year old former radio talk show host with her own opinions who does not accept yours at all, but defends your right to have them.)

[Andrea]

268. self delete

never mind

[Patriot Abroad]

297. I disagree . . .

"She deserves hatred as much as Bush Jr. does."

No way I can put her at Bush level. Even with her recent "burn the bridges" moves to say that she and McCain are the only two qualified candidates. She is fighting dirty, and people will remember this about her long after this election - but she is trying to do what she can to swing the tide and win without going nuclear. The Obama side needs to weather the storm and keep the high ground.

[Frances]

41. Great post

I think that complainers (about ANY candidate) don't really want their own candidate to win. They just like to complain. In my opinion, they are losers.

People who really want Obama (or any candidate) to win act like winners.

They make phone calls, send donations, talk about why OBAMA would be a great President.

[Radio_Lady]

281. YOUR post is great, too, Frances. Appreciate your position.

[Cha]

131. Anybody ever hear of a clinton supporter calling

for "civility"? And, if so, did they comply? Or is it only on our head?

[pnwmom]

165. Ever hear a Clinton supporter call Obama names

equivalent to C--t, Whore, Bitch, etc.?

As someone who is neither camp, I agree with the OP that there has been far more vitriol expressed by DUers who support Obama.

[madmom]

224. UH, yes I have several times.I do not call Obama names but I will call

out supporters on either side for double standards, which there is an awful lot of.

[Radio_Lady]

283. Zidzi, my answers to your questions are YES and YES.

Obama supporters seem to predominate IN GENERAL on this site at this time, but there are still some Hillary supporters who HAVEN'T EVEN HAD A PRIMARY YET.

If I told you that I initially wanted BOTH of them to cooperate on a WINNING ticket -- and truly cannot completely decide yet between the two of them, would you believe me? I hope so, because it's true.

Please do respond.

Cordially,

Radio Lady Ellen Kimball in Oregon

[Jamastiene]

2. K&R.

:kick:

[Bolo Boffin]

3. Hope this helps.

I don't hate Hillary. I support Obama.

Hillary hatred is counterproductive. I like this quote especially.

"One of the things I love about Obama is his willingness to listen to differing opinions and see multiple sides of an issue, and to disagree without being disagreeable. Try to follow his lead and keep an open mind."

It's one of the reasons I support Obama.

[mamalone]

4. Great post!

I especially liked this part...

8) One of the things I love about Obama is his willingness to listen to differing opinions and see multiple sides of an issue, and to disagree without being disagreeable. Try to follow his lead and keep an open mind. Recognize that not everything Clinton does is evil and compliment her when she proposes a policy you like or does something classy.


Thanks for posting!

[JohnnyLib2]

37. As a prospective Obama supporter, now supporting Clinton, thanks.

K & R

[mamalone]

82. You are most welcome, my friend:-) nt

[MH1]

5. I'm with you. Recc'd

This place has become a cesspool, and the spew isn't all from one side.

[Shoelace]

48. might be a few freepers trying to divide DUers?

just a thought. I wouldn't put it past them to invade our grounds, to divide and conquer. I love them both so I hate to see those vitriolic posts on any side.

[vanboggie]

215. That's my theory

I think Rove hired a bunch of kids to stir the pot. It's disgusting, though very effective. I'm totally turned off to both candidates thanks to the juvenile behavior I've seen on DU. This has been a place for intelligent discussion till recently.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

6. K & R, your call for civility and respect is well written and

this Sen. Clinton supporter thanks you! :yourock:

We ARE all in this together as Democrats, and hostile, hateful remarks from one supporters' group to another is completely uncalled for.

[Barack_America]

7. WE NEED HELP IN PHILLY!!

PM me to get involved. Or contact one of the local field offices.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/paoffices

Please note that there are many additional "satellite" offices in Philly that are not on the list.

We are doing canvassing every day of the week now. We are phonebanking every day. And, of course, with both of these activities, data entry is also crucial.

[democrattotheend]

17. I'm going to the Wynnewood office today

I live in the DC area so I can only come up on weekends. But please keep us posted on your volunteer efforts.

[Barack_America]

184. Awesome! Thank you.

Sorry for the late response. Have been out canvassing.

[democrattotheend]

209. How's your canvassing going today?

I canvassed in Narberth today and found 8 Obama supporters, 1 Clinton and 3 undecided. Will post a more detailed summary later.

[Barack_America]

216. Well, I was canvassing deep West Philly...

So our numbers were more like 50% hardcore Obama supporters, 45% leaning definitely Obama (we're very conservative in our reporting), 3% totally undecided and 2% Hillary supporters. All in all, we knocked on about 200 doors and spoke with around 100 folks.

Approximately 10% of the people we canvassed signed up to volunteer for the campaign.

So, pretty good turnout on this end.

Those numbers for Narberth are VERY encouraging. I was unaware that Obama's support up there was so high.

[ClassWarrior]

18. Yes!! If you're feeling passionate enough to behave as the OP suggests...

...put it to constructive use, and help the campaign as Kristi suggests. And if you're not in Philly, go to http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/actioncenter.

Puede.

NGU.

[atal]

8. K & R

:kick:

[proud2BlibKansan]

9. Hillary's campaign is the nastiest I have ever seen by a Democrat in my lifetime

And Obama supporters are responding in kind. It's called human nature. Want the nastiness to stop? Talk to Hillary.

[Bolo Boffin]

11. The way to stop the nastiness is: Stop The Nastiness.

Like your mama used to say: I don't care who started it, I'm ending it.

End it.

[PoliticalAmazon]

125. Don't agree. We need to be angry at her tactics, lies, and insults...

...of Obama supporters.

If you don't speak out strongly against it, she will roll right over you.

I didn't play doormat for Bush Jr, and I sure in the hell am not going to do it for Hillary Clinton.

[Bolo Boffin]

247. You are thinking like Barack is losing.

Think like a winner.

And no, we do not need to be angry with how she acts. There's an appropriate level of irritation and disappointment, perhaps, but anger? No. If you like, think of her as not worth anger.

I think of her as the next person in line for my vote. I think of her as a person this country would be lucky to have as President. I'm quite happy to have to choose between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. My choice is Barack, but if Hillary is the nominee, I'm right there.

[napoleon_in_rags]

270. That's really well said. Obama himself knows how to win it.

He stays cool calm objective and respectful. If all his supporters follow suit he's going to come into this thing strong.

[atal]

12. That was my reaction when I first saw this post

But it could become counter-productive.

Maybe it's better to focus on informing the Hillary camp why Obama is better. I'm sure they too can see the Clinton's camp nastiness.... (at least it's preparing Obama for future attacks by the Republicans, if he's eventually the nominee)

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. Been there done that

They ain't listening. They just get more arrogant and more nasty as her chances of winning the nomination drop.

It does truly sadden me when I look at my ignore list and see many longtime DUers, some of whom I have met in real life, and I recall the hateful remarks they have each made about Obama or about Democrats who support him. And contrary to what many have said, this is far nastier than the primary battles in 2004.

And in all fairness, it isn't just here. I stopped reading a couple of my favorite blogs because they have been overtaken by the Hillary peeps.

[SukeyinTN]

212. I dont read a lot of blogs now.

I mostly stay at Kos.
I think anything true is fair game on Hillary. Any of the videos from The Jed Report and things that are documented. Name calling isnt helpful and lies certainly dont help Obama. But if folks who support Obama didnt have some comeback at the worst campaign Ive seen in my 65 years Hillary might get away with things.
Can you imagine another Democrat endorsing McCain?

[democrattotheend]

15. Her campaign and her supporters are not our problem

As an Obama supporter, I am concerned with how DUers and other bloggers are making him look by being so nasty. Let the Clinton supporters police their own. Let's heed Obama's call for a new kind of politics and rise above their nastiness.

[proud2BlibKansan]

26. The Clinton supporters are NEVER going to police their own

I honestly think this all points to a need for a multi party system. The DLC was formed to reject the populist voice in the Democratic party. They really should have just formed a separate party. I started a thread yesterday after I saw Harold Ford Jr on Morning Joe and was struck by how much he DIDN'T sound like a Democrat.

Let them start their own party. Enough of this big tent nonsense. A multi party system is a way to involve more people in our political process. So rather than encouraging the Hillary people to police their own, I advocate encouraging them to form their own party. I am a lifelong Democrat and I can not imagine supporting the DLC platform or its candidate. One look at GD-P supports that. We have two distinct camps here and we will NEVER see eye to eye.

[ekwhite]

55. The reality is that the system is stacked against third parties

Both parties are 'big tent' parties by necessity. The Democratic party has ALWAYS had this tension - it was even worse in the 1960's (anyone remember the 'Dixiecrats'?). In fact, our party has more than two camps. It is made up of multiple special interests, as it has been since the beginning of the party.

Just because we won't ever agree on everything, or even on MOST things, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to be civil to each other. If we want the nastiness to stop, we have to be civil. We can't control what others do, we can only control what WE do. We don't have to react to name calling. We can respond to smears with the facts, not with counter-smears. We can elevate the discussions here ourselves, with or without the cooperation of the Clinton supporters.

[dogday]

24. Read the OP

Both camps are very much responsible for the animosity on this board.. I don't have a candidate and the reason is I can't stand either candidate, but I will support and vote for the chosen nominee... Your response is just another reason why the OP posted this in the first place....

[proud2BlibKansan]

27. Remember when Rove attacked McCain in 2000?

And McCain just moved along and ignored the attack on his family? And eventually was good buddies with Bush again?

Are we going to be like that? I would certainly hope not.

[dogday]

29. Attacks are on both sides, you cannot say one is doing

all of it... I don't have a candidate and I guess if I did I would feel the way you do.. We need everyone to pull together in November to beat that old Bastard McCain....

[proud2BlibKansan]

31. I honestly don't see the nastiness from the Obama camp

I see defensive behavior from his supporters. And I see no nastiness from him. Hillary endorsed McCain over Obama. Her husband has been an ass. But Obama has not responded in kind. That speaks volumes.

[dogday]

34. There is enough animosity to go around... That is why

I cannot commit... Like I said, if I had a candidate, I would be so protective of them, I would say their shit don't stink ever... It is normal to do that... This animosity however is not normal, and BOTH CAMPS have contributed more than their fair share....

[1monster]

153. Then you are blind. I don't like Clinton or Obama for the Presidency, but I'll vote for

whoever is the nominee.

I don't go to GD:P any more. I only read the threads from there that show up on the home page.

Guess what? Most of them are hit pieces against Clinton by Obama supporters. A few are support pieces for Obama, mostly, but can't resist taking pot shots at Clinton.

Some are just support pieces for Obama.

The videos runn similarly.

It makes me angry and even less inclined to support Obama with anything other than a vote for him in the GE if he is nominated.

There's an old book of religion that many people follow. While it is not my religion, it is filled with many words of wisdom. One of my favorite pieces of wisdom in that book goes something like this:

For by their fruits you shall know them.

The fruits that are falling from the Obama tree on DU are pretty damned bitter... inedible.

If some of Clintons's supporters are doing the same and you are feeling seriously aggrieved, then you should be able to understand that you are alienating them to the possibility of not voting in the GE. That is not how to win elections.

And you might also want to take into consideration that there are far more Obama supporters on DU than Clinton supporters.

Since those of you who are Obama supporters believe that he will inevitably win the nomination, you can afford to be more generous to his opponent's supporters.

Otherwise, you are something worse than a sore loser. You are a nasty winner.

Just one other quote from that book I mentioned above: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

[cbayer]

175. That very nicely said. Thanks. nt.

[depakid]

168. Then you're dishonest

[No Blood for Hubris]

237. Randi Rhodes at an Obama fundraiser calling Clinton "a f*cking whore"

doesn't count?

Jesus frickin' Christ.

[Kool Kitty]

292. It was't an Obama fundraiser.

[niceypoo]

57. Not all of it, MOST of it

[dogday]

59. Both sides get the credit... I don't know how or where this

started, but I give points to both campaigns on this board, they have equally been offensive to this Democrat....

[nxylas]

65. We can't do anything about the Clinton supporters

We can control our own behavior.

[dogday]

69. That's a start... Let them police themselves as well...

:hi:

[ekwhite]

60. You set up a false dichotomy, I'm afraid

The choice isn't between ignoring the attack and counter-attacking. We can respond as Obama did to the Rev. Wright 'controversy.' He directly confronted the issue of race, and made one of the great speeches of the last 20 years.

What if John McCain had gone on stage with his Bangladeshi daughter and said, "I would like to introduce our beautiful adopted daughter to you." What if he had started that conversation about race himself? He didn't, because he didn't have the courage or grace to do that.

We have three choices in my opinion:

1. Ignore the attacks, and let the mudslinging continue

2. Sling mud back, and get everyone covered in dirt

3. Step outside of the pig sty. Use a little of the moral judo so deftly used by Obama.

[ekwhite]

47. 'She started it first' is a playground excuse

Let's follow Obama's lead and not respond to nastiness with nastiness. As one of my favorite quotes from Gandhi says - An eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind.

[dansolo]

58. That worked really well for Kerry in 2004

Sorry, but turning the other cheek does not work well in a political campaign. Reconciliation will happen after the nominee is chosen. When that will take place is entirely up to Hillary, though the voters in PA may make it a moot point.

[PoliticalAmazon]

126. "Don't fight back" is the Democrats' creed, which is why we are where we are. n/t

[niceypoo]

61. That is utter bullshit...

...Obama is doing exactly what Bush did in 2000 and 2004, pretending to somehow be above the fray while his supporters engage in a nasty blanket party, all in his name. Most of the 'nastiness' that Obama supporters cry about turns out to be nothing, they are trying to destroy the Clintons and will say or do anything to make it so. They do not care wether whatever their accusations of the moment are true or not, they just want to do damage. 75% of the threads in GDP attack the Clintons and it has devolved into hatred.

Obama is following Roves blueprint to the letter.

http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2004/08/28/moore_rove_swift_boat/">Smear artist

"As he was rebuilding the Republican Party in Texas, Rove developed a template for smearing opponents. The goal was to have his candidates hover above the fray while urging their opponents to concentrate on issues, thereby constantly putting them in a position of having to play defense and deny unfounded accusations. Eventually, the Rove client, according to the script, would step out to demand an end to the ugliness. Of course, Rove wrote the narrative of these plans in such a way that calling for a truce would not occur until the damage had already been done to his opposition."

[proud2BlibKansan]

And who is endorsing the republican?

Not Obama.

[guruoo]

121. 'Above the frey' doesn't work as well absent a village idiot candidate

to provide that extra layer of plausable deniability.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

147. "Obama is following Roves blueprint to the letter." Nice lie. This is why Hillary is shunned.

[guruoo]

111. ROTFL

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[StevieM]

190. Hillary has run a positive campaign. But Barack thinks he is so entitled to the nomination that

any argument against him is labeled "negative campaigning." Hillary was first labeled a negative campaigner after she put up an ad in Wisconsin criticizing him for not debating there.

[leftynyc]

218. I'm guessing you weren't

around for the 1980 primary between Carter and Kennedy.

[No Blood for Hubris]

235. That's ridiculous.

More of that makes me think the Obama people are not the kind of people I want running the country. They're like Freepers.

[IsItJustMe]

251. I am afraid your right. Turn the other cheek works for Jesus, but most of us aren't Jesus, now are

we?

[Adelante]

10. Thank you nt

[Arkansas Granny]

13. Great post and something that supporters of both candidates should consider.

I've seen long time posters who say that things were this bad in 2004, but I hadn't found DU at that time and I was totally unprepared for the level of hateful posts that I've read here lately. I would love to see and end to the name calling and flamefests.

[Mezzo]

14. it's true. I may have gone Obama if it weren't for how sexist people were against HRC. nt

[Umbram]

54. If you let idiots make your mind up for you, what does that mean? (nt)

[ekwhite]

63. Consider that the sexist posters are a vocal minority

They do not represent the Obama campaign or Obama himself. They represent themselves, and the tendency for internet debates to get nasty, because you miss a lot of nuance in written responses.

I would suggest you research both candidates. Look at their websites. Read their biographies. Look at their proposals, their voting records, etc., and make your judgment based on your own research, not what you read on DU.

[Bonobo]

16. Your post starts with the premise that posters on DU reflect on Obama. That is ridiculous.

For many reasons. Do I have to list the myriad of reason why that is a preposterous idea?

ON EDIT: However. There are OTHER reasons to be civil here that have little to do with the truth of my statement. One of which is that there are apparently emotionally unstable people who DO , in fact, irrationally do just that (or at least THREATEN, like a child to do that).

[democrattotheend]

19. It shouldn't, but it does

I have said a thousand times that I will vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is, but sometimes the Clinton supporters here are so nasty that it makes me want to not vote for her just to show that they can't take me for granted. So I imagine some Clinton supporters feel the same way when we act nasty.

[Bonobo]

20. I just edited to reflect that (sad and irrational) reality.

[ekwhite]

64. Whether or not we actually have anything to do with the campaign

as vocal supporters of Obama on this board, we 'represent' the campaign to some people reading our posts. The fact that the perception may not have a basis in fact is irrelevant, as they have no way of verifying who we really are.

[lumberjack_jeff]

77. What is the point of talking if not to influence people?

The apparent premise is that anyone who is offended when I say something stupid is an idiot. Conversely, anyone who is influenced when I say something wise, is intelligent. It doesn't work that way. People are influenced, regardless of the value of what I say - but I don't get to pick how.

Because of the Hillary logo in the upper left corner, what I say in defense of HRC both reflects on her campaign, her other supporters and democrats in general.

[PoliticalAmazon]

127. Exactly. That in itself is an insult to Obama supporters. And we are supposed...

...to bend over and take it?

[Bonobo]

23. I want to try a different reply. Starting with 'I do agree'

I do agree.

As Democrats, humanists and adults, we should cut the crap. Even if that is the only reason.
Obama has already won even though the other side doesn't admit it yet, and that's fine.
The point is, we aren't changin anyone's opinion TOWARD Obama. And we aren't helping Obama in any way by attacking Hillary.
I know it can be fun because many of us have grown to really dislike the Clintons in these last 6 months or so, but that is not a very rational reason to keep attacking, mocking, flaming her.

So do we attack her for her lies? Her mistatemements? Her policy positions? Maybe, maybe not. I personally think her goose is already cooked and that we should close up GDP, but that is up to the Admins.

Maybe Obama fans should just do exactly what you say in the OP after all.

I guess you thought it out well.

Thanks. I wish she would bow out gracefully already.

[dailykoff]

28. "Help police other Obama supporter"? Like report them to the Gestapo?

I'm not going to say what I think of idiotic crap like this because it might offend the chil'ren.

[Faygo Kid]

32. Yes. Chilling. I am sick and tired of this transparent intimidation.

I'm with you, dailykoff. Whatever the motivations of the OP, it's abundantly clear that these threads generally are intended to intimidate and silence dissent. I don't like them one bit.

I'm pretty sure I'm on "ignore" by most Clinton supporters. If they want to close their eyes and ears, that's up to them. But I'm not going to quit speaking out, and I'll be damned if I am going to "police" other Obama supporters. If something comes up like that Hillary supporter's MySpace thread yesterday with the photo of Barack being shot in the head, I will call it out on either side. But that was from a Hillary supporter, and mostly silence came from her supporters about it. So spare me this kind of crap.

[dailykoff]

39. Yeah it's funny how the civility protests roll out between the attacks.

Wright is old news but tomorrow it will be his kid's scout leader or some damn thing and NOBODY will be worried about playing nice.

[Shae]

74. I really understand how you feel about the MySpace thing...

It was hatred in the extreme, and hopefully the creep that put it up gets a visit by the Secret Service and an FBI file.

Having said that, hate doesn't exist in a vacuum. We have to stop fueling it, or we are, in part, responsible for it.

I don't think the OP had an ulterior motive such as stifling dissent.
I think the OP is extending an olive branch. That's a good thing to do now.
Obama has all but won. In the next few weeks or so, this election drama will play itself out.
Please start channeling your combative spirit toward the real enemy now. McCain is the one we need to fight.

[PoliticalAmazon]

134. Thank you. ITA. n/t

[ekwhite]

66. More like gently remind them that they are not helping us, maybe

That is not Gestapo tactics. In any campaign, sometimes you have to remind the more overzealous supporters to calm down a bit.

[PoliticalAmazon]

200. Would you like others telling you that you are too meek?...

How about if I made a statement, "Sometimes you have to remind the more sheeple supporters to speak more forcefully about what is wrong."?

Do you understand that a comment like that is insulting? You (and I) are not the alpha and omega on which is the most effective or most appropriate posting style. So how about we both celebrate the vast differences in the people who make up the Democratic Party and not try to make others like ourselves?

[rodeodance]

30. Thank you so much

[Vinca]

33. Does truthiness = nastiness? Just wondering.

Clinton people seem to confuse the two.

[bowens43]

35. Are you new politics?

It's a nasty business and everything is at stake.

[democrattotheend]

282. Nah, been into it for my entire adult life

Which is admittedly only about 8 years, but I have been active on campaigns since 2002, and I work in Washington at a political organization.

[merh]

36. It is not about hate.

It is immature to think that folks that oppose Hillary hate her or that folks that talk negatively about her of Bill or the campaign, hate them. It is rather a shame folks can't see that. There are two candidates, Hillary and Obama, I believe Obama is the better of the two, I trust him more.

Most folks here and in the party would have a high opinion of them both but for this primary and their supporters transfer and projection. It is folks that post certainties about Hillary that are easily debunked, that are rightly debunked as they are put out there that set themselves up for disagreement. Disagreeing does not equal hate.

When exposed to the truth they then proclaim "hillary hate" rather than dispute or realize that her positions, her lies, her distortions and her attitude will be used against her if she runs against McCain, the dirty trail she has traveled will the the trail they will use to trip her up. Since she attaches herself to Bill, since his experiences are now her's, since his presidency is her training ground and how she considers herself qualified, then his failings also become her own, whether they be political or personal.

So folks should grow up and deal with the issues and stop running around personally attacking those that don't agree with them or who have the nerve to post something negative about the Clintons.

Passive/aggressive heathers are tiresome, one would also think it was tiring to be one.

[ekwhite]

73. I somewhat agree with what you say

But I believe that what the OP was referring to was the recent rash of "I hate Hillary" posts. I think we have to argue points such as the Mark Penn meeting with the Colombian government. My take on the OP was that we can disagree without calling names.

[merh]

87. But the name calling is not unique to any side.

I've posted comments that a Hillary supporter will agree with after they attack me for my hate. That is ludicrous and the OP gives merit to that position when he/she writes a thread chastizing the hate of one side and not the hate of all.

[ekwhite]

107. I agree that Hillary supporters are posting nasty stuff too

But we need to clean up our own house before we can have standing to chastise Clinton supporters. There is plenty of nastiness on both sides, from what I have seen. We can challenge them without resorting to name calling and ad hominem attacks. The facts are mostly on our side. Let's use them. Smears and name calling are what you resort to when you don't have the facts on your side.

[paulk]

38. good luck with that...

[mtnsnake]

119. No kidding

Toning it down is the last thing that the hateful Obamaites will ever do on this forum. They thrive on hatred, bitterness, and lying. It's not the first time someone has pleaded with them to stop their vicious smears. They're out of control.

[GoneOffShore]

144. Looking back over some of your posts

I can't believe you actually wrote what you did here.

Yet another bitter Gollum supporter.

Plonk

:spank:

:hi:

[Catchawave]

42. This "uncommitted" voter thanks you for this thread...

I would like to see more threads about the candidates' positions on the issues. :hi:

[ekwhite]

43. I agree

Name calling, ad hominem attacks, and flamebait such as the "I f*ing hate Clinton" thread are uncalled for and unproductive.

[democrat_always]

44. I'm an Obama supporter_BUT

In answer to this....
(9) "Pretend that you are on Obama's campaign staff, and everything you say represents the campaign. Think about how you would behave if you were Obama's official blogger or spokesperson."
First and foremost...I'm a democrat! I will vote for the person that wins the primary. I was a great fan of B. Clinton, I still have his picture on my ice box. But I want change in Washington, I'd like to see most of them lose their jobs and go home with a new bunch of people in there. Hopefully most would be democrats though. The reason I'm not backing Clinton is because she has too many Corporations supporting her. Bought and paid for. That has just got to stop if we the people ever get control of our country again. Some of them old goats have been in Washington for 40 years, enough already go home, PLEASE!!!
Here is something that really bothers me...How can you not vote for your party. I do not vote for the person when it comes to the election. I'm a democrat, I vote for the platform. They are better suited for helping ordinary people, working people and the poor. How can you say your a democrat and vote for anything else, Or not vote because you don't like the democrat or anyone, that is like voting for the PUP-LICKEN. I just don't understand people that jump around like frogs when it comes to politics. I prefer Obama, but when the rubber meets the road if Clinton wins...I'll be voting for her, and I hope all of you do the same.

[Shae]

89. Excellent post, democrat always,

welcome to DU. Hope you stay awhile because more like you are needed here.

I think it's a great idea to present yourself as if you were a member of your candidate's campaign staff. Rightly or not, many people judge the candidate by the behavior of his/her supporters. If more people here were to act as a representative of their candidate, the discourse would be far more civil here.

Many people who have chosen sides in the primary seem to be passionate about the candidate they've chosen.
I'm hopeful that after the nominee is official, the people who are saying that they won't vote for the Democratic candidate, if it isn't THEIR candidate, will reconsider. I'm sure that many will. Some may not - I don't understand that because either candidate is better than McCain.

:hi: :yourock:

[PoliticalAmazon]

133. Voting for anything with a (D) is the road to disaster. Here's why:

To avoid spamming, here's a link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5392998&mesg_id=5395641

[nxylas]

45. I agree with everything except number 3

Sorry, but it *is* over. Yes, as The Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy tells us, nothing is impossible, it is only very highly improbable, but as another poster has said, nobody is discussing the possibility of all the delegates switching to Edwards or Kucinich (which theoretically could happen).

[ekwhite]

75. That is true

But continuing to call for Clinton is pointless, as she is not going to pull out, and calling for her to do so just engages us in pointless debates that anger the Clinton supporters. I see no gain for Obama in this, especially as he has stated that he is OK with her staying in the race until June.

[Why Syzygy]

269. If Obama isn't worried about her sticking around,

I'm not either. I've always said we don't have to buy into the MSM *belief* that it only makes things worse for Democrats. That's a false hope of theirs and we don't have to make it come true.

edit: I would like her out for my own selfish reasons. I can't stand seeing her or listening to her.
I'm not tied to the Democratic Party and will not sacrifice another vote for the sake of a party ticket.

[redqueen]

49. I would mostly agree if you didn't just aim this at one group.

Sure Hillary gets called more names... and that's messed up... but immature, idiotic crap comes from both camps, so singling Obama's supporters out bugs me. Lots.

[crankychatter]

135. it's like "drop your guard so we can kick you in the groin again"

a one sided call for civility is fraudulent

[Why Syzygy]

273. I feel bad for them, but not because of DU!

So many are just delusional and vapid.

[democrattotheend]

284. I'm an Obama supporter. I don't care what Clinton supporters do

If they want to make her look bad by acting like idiots, let them. But as an Obama supporter, it bothers me when other Obama supporters make him look bad by acting like idiots.

[quiet.american]

50. There are three things I don't like about this post.

First, the "Obama suppporters" callout. How is it known all posts with the qualities referenced are indeed from "Obama supporters"?

Second, I'm sick of logging in to DU and seeing all these "open letters" to Obama supporters almost daily now, even though it's running hard and fast on both sides -- and throwing in a few words about how Clinton supporters do it, too, doesn't cut it, because the headline only calls out Obama supporters, even calling on us to "police" each other -- I really don't like that.

Third, in general, I hate these "all mommy/daddy asks you to do is..."-type lectures.

[TomBall Democrat]

51. How can you possibly consider a genuine call for

civility that accuses an entire group of people of

HATRED?

Your title is inflammatory.

If you intend to correct the behavior of others, may I suggest you choose your words more carefully.

Otherwise, I can't consider you as genuine.

[apocalypsehow]

113. This isn't a "genuine" call for anything, but rather another HRC booster dressed up as an Obama

"supporter" who spends most of its time expressing non-stop "concern" about how Obama supporters comport themselves on this discussion board.

It really is a quite transparent charade.

[crankychatter]

52. deleted

delete

[stevietheman]

53. Clinton supporters, I am BEGGING you, STOP THE WHINING

Your candidate has lost and you won't let it go.

And Hillary has been running a very nasty campaign against our nominee, and that has deserved sharp responses.

OK, I'll stop calling Hillary's supporters names, but Hillary herself? All bets are off.

[No Blood for Hubris]

249. Your fundraiser called Clinton a "f*cking whore" -- you good with that?

I'm not. I'm not good with you and your candidate using demeaning sexist language, either. Stick to the issues.

Like this -- I don't like your candidate's health care plan. It's timid and centrist.

[Why Syzygy]

276. Hillary's healthcare plan is DOA in the Clinton I Whitehouse. Hard to top that one. nt

[niceypoo]

56. It has been this way for months....

...not just here but, all over the internet and in the left wing media.

Obama's supporters are destroying possible support for him from Hillary supporters should he happen to become the nominee, and if he loses the election because of it, he and his supporters will be completely to blame.

Obama has failed to articulate policy, thus his supporters are stuck with nothing but smears to support their candidate. If it were not true, I would most likely support Obama, but the only conclusion that I can come to is that supporting Obama turns a person into a hateful, deceitful, pompous jerk. My view of Obama, and what he represents, is perhaps irreversibly tainted because of his followers hatred.

Want to see something really warped? Go into a Yahoo political chatroom. The Obama supporters there have banded together with the republicans and turned the rooms into an obnoxious, viscious, slimefest against Hillary and her supporters.



Unity and Hope my ass

[DemGa]

62. The OP points out why the Obama movement is fraudulent

And I DO mean this in all sincerity.

Obama sought early on to profit from Clinton's "negatives" -- negatives created by the slanderous right-wing attacks of the nineties. BO did this by painting Clinton as "polarizing and divisive"; that she would "unite the opposition." More slander would follow: Hillary would be smeared as "calculating, dishonest, do anything to win." And it worked -- but there is a price.

Now you have a problem: you want the positive aspects to rise, you want to see the good and move forward. Just one thing though.

Obama was lifted up by this negativity.

So the philosophical underpinning of your movement is corrupted. Sorry, but whatever you heap upon a flawed foundation won't remedy its origin. I recognize this is a hard truth.

[OzarkDem]

72. Obama was lifted up by negativity against Clinton

Thank you, a very apt description.

His campaign can't sustain itself on simply getting people to hate Hillary. That's why he's pressuring her to get out of the race, because he knows he can't move forward and sustain support on Hillary hate alone.

Glad she's staying in, he'll run out of hateful things to say before long and will have to discuss issues.

Hate of book bags
Hate of Florida primary voters
Hate of Michigan primary voters
Hate of women
Hate of Clinton's charitable donations
Hate, hate, hate, hate its all Obama and his campaign know

What bitter, sick, twisted people. I do NOT want this guy in the WH.

[ecdab]

96. You are doing exactly what you are jumping on SOME Obama

supports for doing. I agree with this OP, but if you don't understand that what you are writing here only encourages SOME Obama supporters to respond in kind you need to do some more thinking. The only way GDP starts to clean itself up is for people from BOTH sides to stop posting ugly attacks on people from the other side (like you just did) - to stop the childish tit for tat crap. Of course it's not going to stop completely until this race is completely over - but each of us does get to choose if they want to stir up crap, make up "facts", paint groups of people with a broad brush, get in other peoples faces, attack fellow Democrats, etc.

I hope you choose to rise above the crap - I hope as many people as possible choose to do so.

[guyanakoolaid]

157. "That's why he's pressuring her to get out of the race" - What a bald-faced LIE

Yet another from the Hillary camp.

[No Blood for Hubris]

241. You missed all the comments suggesting that she quit? You deaf?

Leahy, Olbermann? It's all over TV. It's all over the internet. It's all over the papers. So dismissive. So dismissive of all the people who have voted for her. (And let's not forget how badly Obama wants to suppress the vote in Michigan and Florida.)

Yes yes, dearie, really you can't win, so just shut up and drop out, dearie dear.

We'll see about that.

[guyanakoolaid]

272. Oh, I can see where that would equate to Obama telling her to drop out

:sarcasm:

I also think she should drop out, doesn't change the fact that Obama has publicly said she can stay in the race as long as she wants. Although she has no realistic chance of winning, the remain til the end at all costs mentality is not surprising from and egotist like Clinton.

[XtraProudDem]

122. Please rejoin reality

Hillary has lost this race. I recognize this is a hard truth.

I adore Hillary Clinton, and I will defend her until the end of my days. But she lost this one.

"Obama was lifted up by this negativity."

No, Obama got more votes because people are inspired by him.

There's a whole big world out there outside DU.

[Why Syzygy]

279. Actually it was Edwards who made a strong case regarding the status quo Hillary represents.

Blaming Obama is just convenient I guess.

[OzarkDem]

67. Clinton supporters are leaving for other forums

where people still have intelligent discussions.

Once the election is over and the paid trolls are gone, it will get pretty quiet in forums like DKos and DU.

[No Blood for Hubris]

245. Yes, and those forums are great. Anyone here who's sick of this crap

should go there, where you can have a rational discussion without this constant hillary-hating fascist freeper crap.

Anglachel's journal, Tennessee Guerilla Women, The Confluence, Taylor Marsh, No Quarter -- and more.

[Zhade]

262. Please do, and take your lies with you.

NT!

[Rockholm]

264. Totally agree.

[Joe the Revelator]

68. There are no real democrats left supporting Hillary on this site

There is about 20 or 30 people, who have long since left the party and/or are completely insane. I don't think we need to pretend to like 20 to 30 crazy people.

[Marrah_G]

160. Of course there are real Democrats here supporting Hillary. n/t

[Joe the Revelator]

211. No there aren't, real democrats are supporting the presumtive democratic nominee.

[madmom]

231. I AM a real democrat, I support Clinton, If and When Obama becomes the ACTUAL nominee I will

support him. That is my democratic right!

[SquireJons]

70. Almost all of the crap is flying from Hillary's side n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

71. Well said. It was worth a try. n/t

[Skip Intro]

76. A little too late, I think. The damage has been done. nt

[ampad]

78. How many Obama supporters have been

TS'ed from this board in the last couple of weeks?

[sniffa]

79. Good question

And, I wonder how it stacks up to the number of Clinton supporters that have been TSed in the last couple of weeks.

[ampad]

86. Yup, I 'm willing to bet more Clinton supporters

I have a long ignore list and it seems like every couple of days I'm cleaning it out because one of the have been tombstoned for racism. Don't expect me to be cordial to racist and bigots, not gonna happen. With that said I have yet to see an announcement claiming that an Obama supporter was kicked off this board for racism. Maybe they have and I missed it. You look at those number of Clinton supporters that have been kicked out then come and tell me where the hate is coming from. I'm sure Herman and the lady that claimed that as a black person I should be kissing her ass because she helped give me black folks civil rights were not Obama supporters. I'm pretty sure they were not.

[PoliticalAmazon]

129. As strongly worded as my posts are, I haven't been TS'd or contacted by mods yet. n/t

[greiner3]

80. I support Obama;

I vote Democrat!

[MethuenProgressive]

81. Peaceful kick & rec!

Peace!

[Jack Rabbit]

83. This Obama supporter joins you

Kicked and recommended.

I don't come down to the GDP forum too often. This place is a real cesspool most of the time, something for which everybody shares some blame, regardless of which candidate he supports.

Most of the exposure I get to GDP is on the video forum, where a few people climb up of out here and post garbage. Most of this has been hatred of Obama from supporters of Senator Clinton, but it has worked the other way as well. I alerted on a post that called Mrs. Clinton a "whore". It's one thing for Randi Rhodes to do that in stand up comedy, it's quite another for an ordinary DU poster.

I don't believe Senator Clinton can win the nomination, but if she has strong reservations about Senator Obama's electability, she should stay in the race in order to make that case. Keep in mind that a deadlocked convention will probably nominate neither Senator Obama nor Senator Clinton, but a compromise candidate. I could live with Al Gore. No one can say he can't win with a straight face. He did once.

Most of all, let's remember what is at stake here. John McCain wants to keep US troops in Iraq for a hundred years if "necessary" and let the US economy heal itself, no matter how long it takes and how much suffering it causes. How can any one be a good president running on that kind of platform? McCain is running to be an encore performance of Bush the Frat Boy, the worst president ever.

[demokatgurrl]

84. Hey, if you have the ear of any Obama volunteers...

please tell them to stop calling voters and saying that they are not going to vote for Clinton if she is the nominee. If they feel that way they do not belong in the Democratic party, working for the DEMOCRATIC nominee. Got a call like that the other day from a really "fired up" volunteer. It was almost enough to turn me off Obama.

[ekwhite]

104. That is really disconcerting

Where was this happening? You should notify the local campaign headquarters, and if they blow you off, call the national headquarters.

[PoliticalAmazon]

132. Don't define what belongs in the Democratic Party...

...Many people believe that voting for any piece of crap with a (D) in front of its name is what has destroyed our Party and our nation.

I believe that the practice of accepting any candidate the DNC/DLC foists on us has made us completely lose control of the Democratic Party and Congress.

As long as we do nothing to stand up to them, they have no reason to work for our best interests. Here's Hillary Clinton, who has worked more for the neocon agenda in the Senate than for the good of the American people, a candidate with Democratic Party supporters!

Do you see that there is ZERO incentive for any politician to work for the best interests of the people if, when they sell their office to the highest bidding lobbyist, the voters continue to vote them into office?

We must stop being the sheeple that we criticize the GOPers of being. We must refuse to accept anything as a candidate that we do not believe will make a good president. If the person on the ticket is not acceptable to a voter, they need to write in the candidate they believe will do the best job.

If we don't start providing negative consequences for being ignored and shit on by the DNC and our elected Democratic Party politicians, we have no hope for ever getting our Party to be responsive to us.

[democrat_always]

301. I've learned over the years...vote democrat

"Do you see that there is ZERO incentive for any politician to work for the best interests of the people if, when they sell their office to the highest bidding lobbyist, the voters continue to vote them into office?"
I agree there is some crappers in office, but any kind of a democrat beats the hell out of a republican. You can fool yourself if you want too and not vote or vote for a republican, either one of those options is a vote for a republican. I'd rather die than give a vote for a republican, been there and done that...vote for one that is. I cannot forget or will I ever forget what the repubs done when Bill Clinton was in office, And for what? They are dirty to the core and will do what ever they have to to win. Yes H. Clinton has pulled some of the repubs tricks out of her bag, and it makes me mad ad hell, and she has some big backers...but still she beats the hell out of any republican that could be put in office. At least she stands up for the small guy. I want Obama to win so bad I can taste it, but if I have to I will vote for H. while I hold my nose. I won't cut off my own nose to spite my face. I am a democart, I don't play the frog game.

[liberaldem4ever]

85. Thanks for the great post-K&R

As much as I want Obama to win the nomination, I want him to win the presidency in the fall. It will be that much harder to win with a divided party. We can't let McCain win the presidency and have another George Bush administration. That is what I try to keep in mind when I read ugly posts about my candidate in GDP. I want to do what benefits Obama, not just strike back at someone who makes me angry.

[dkf]

88. Hillary people are way worse than Obama people.

Just yesterday, I called Hillary out because she looked really fake to me, and some Hillary person called me a "hore" (yeah like I didn't know what that meant).

And I appreciate posts about what Hillary is doing because she is the most dangerous threat to transparent government that I can see. George Bush is almost gone thank God. I don't want another President like that ever.

So if you are asking that DU be wiped clean of reports on Hillary shenanigans, I absolutely don't agree.

That way, if she steals the nomination, we wouldn't have a clue how that happened.

[ekwhite]

110. The OP isn't about who is 'worse'

It is about helping Obama's campaign and the Democratic party by being the first to step up and say 'we are going to take the high road.' It doesn't mean that we don't point out real problems with her campaign, such as Mark Penn's association with Colombia, but that we post the facts.

If there are credible reports of unethical behavior by the Clinton campaign, we most certainly should post them. That is different from posting links to Newsmax or Free Republic that just circulate rumors.

As far as name calling and ad hominem attacks by Clinton supporters, that happens a lot, but so do name calling and ad hominem attacks against Clinton supporters. That is just a function of the type of forum we have. Don't let them divert you from the original intent of your post. If someone calls you a 'hore,' that is what the Alert button is for.

[Shae]

130. I agree

and Mark Penn's association with Columbia is a weightier matter than "bookbagate." I'm a believer in choosing your arguments.

Another matter -- I've seen threads which could easily be disputed (even though the op may have been made in good faith), but the person replying, instead of pointing out the where the op is wrong and making correction, will say something like, "Are you blind or just plain stupid?"
Now, if someone is pointing out to me the error of my ways, I would be more likely to listen if the person is courteous than if he/she is arrogant, rude, or just trying to tell me how stupid I am.

People want to to be treated with courtesy and are more likely to listen to your point of view if you treat them respectfully.

[Shae]

90. Great post. Good suggestions.

Recommended and thank you.
We need to come together.

[Patsy Stone]

91. Where are the positive Hillary threads?

I look for them every day and I find few, if any. When I see them, I recommend them -- for positivity's sake.

Her supporters here claim they only see attacks against her. They have left and returned due to a self-imposed exile to recharge and return with "good material" which they ask each other to kick and recommend, yet instead of posting positive things they find about their candidate, most of the "good material" seems to be a Wright or Rezko thread, or a thread calling out other DUers and TV and radio personalities for remarks they feel are inappropriate. Why is that?

Where are the threads from her maligned supporters calling for help with volunteering, phone banking, canvassing, organizing their precincts, donating money, or doing anything positive to actually help her achieve the victory they so strongly believe she deserves?

For the record, I do not hate anyone, including Hillary, and my Ignore list is empty.

[CitizenLeft]

95. yes... where are they?

...and while, like I said below, I DO have a long ignore list - which, btw, contains people who have been so repulsive that they've been tombstoned - there are plenty of Clinton supporters I still see and read... and yet, no threads like what you describe.

Edit: I take that back, I did see a very cool thread last week about someone meeting Hillary and shaking her hand. It was very positive, and I was glad to see it.

[Patsy Stone]

97. To be honest

the reason my Ignore list is empty is because the Mods emptied it. :)

And there are some positive posts, but they are the minority, few and far between; which is why I recommend them when I see them. In fact, I recommended a couple of them this morning.

This isn't to say Obama supporters don't stir the pot -- there is enough blame to go around -- but Hillary's supporters could do more to change the situation here than what they are doing.

[CitizenLeft]

102. I almost posted a link to Hillary's town hall meeting today...

...because I DO want to see more positive posts, even though I'm firmly for Obama. I HATE this fighting, it gives me hives.

Fortunately, somebody posted it. It's on CNN.com right now.

[ronnykmarshall]

174. A little Boli, Sweetie Darling?

[mrJJ]

92. Offensive?

Bubble Boy Bush lied us into a war that should have never been approved. I for one do not want a continuation of any "liar n chief" in the WH. If that is anyway offensive to people ... I apologize. Sen Clintons own words used in this campaign are not smears against her... in my opinion.

Nafta
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BrPZYbCdJ4

Bosnia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y

Ireland
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBCmKkLdCuA

October 11, 2007
Flashback: Does Michigan Matter to Clinton?

Hillary Clinton, during which she was asked about the Michigan primary:

"I personally did not think it made any difference, whether or not my name was on the ballot. You know, it's clear, in this election they're
having, it is not going to count for anything."

http://www.youtube.com/user/MDRUDGE

HILLARY IS ONE BIG 'MIS'TAKE
Now Hillary denies that she denied she said Obama can't win.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04042008/news/nationalnews/...

Votes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_eBIpEuO4U

Feb 19, 2008:
Hillary Clinton says "speeches don't put food on the table!"
Bill's speeches sure as hell put food on their table! $51 Million Dollars worth
Anyone think that Hillary knew she was lying? or perhaps mis-spoke err maybe she forgot about the $51 Million.

[CitizenLeft]

93. like I keep saying...

I'm not seeing all this "hatred." Know why? Because I use ignore. A LOT. So that I don't get dragged down into some nasty argument that solves nothing, gets me all upset, and makes my blood pressure go through the roof. I've seen many people here belittle using "ignore" as if it's some kind of badge of honor to read the ugliness from the other side and either suck it up or give it back. Not my style. I get too upset and attack right back, and it's not worth it to lower myself to their level. So belittle me all you want for being "cowardly," but I don't give a shit. I don't want to read other people's excrement, and nothing in the rules of this board says I have to.

Which leads me to my real point... and that's this: I'm not seeing all this "hatred" because it's primarily on threads created by people whose only function is to fight - and yes, these ARE mostly Clinton supporters. On those threads, people get nasty right back... and this is called hatred??? I know that Obama supporters vastly outnumber Clinton supporters on this board, but the ugliness is certainly not one-sided.

What I DO see, in the threads that I CAN see, are stupid little reply comments that, yes, are over-the-top against the Clintons. And guess what? They are QUICKLY followed by any number of Obama supporters saying things like, "that was uncalled for" or "that was stupid, and I support Obama" or "get off this thread with that crap."

I'm tired of this one-sided "Obamabots are Haters" bullshit... it does NOT cover everybody on this board. I have yet to get into a nasty confrontation with a Clinton supporter because the nasty ones who spew nothing by racist bile or contrarian attacks are on IGNORE. And no matter how many people may self-righteously call that "censorship," I don't give a rat's ass... it's how *I* prefer my DU experience, and it's going to stay that way until we have a nominee.

PS: I'm adding this becaue I don't mean to get annoyed with you, the OP, about all the finger-pointing blame going one way. This is nothing new, it's the meme on this board - only Obama people "hate" in spite of the U-N-B-E-L-I-E-V-A-B-L-Y vile racism that has been rampant on here, so I'm exasperated to have to say it yet again. :)

[Shae]

100. Ignore is your friend.

I only have one person on ignore right now. One other I had on ignore was tombstoned, and another I disignored. But yeah, when you see someone who is not adding anything to the discourse and only making you mad, ignore is a good option.

Both sides here can be nasty. The OP, being an Obama supporter, is talking to Obama supporters about being more civil to Hillary supporters. Perhaps, a Hillary supporter will reciprocate. We'll see.

Ultimately, I am responsible for only one poster's remarks on here, and that is my own. I will try to keep my remarks civil and respectful, and if I don't, hopefully someone will call me on it. I know the Hillary supporters are sometimes responsible for hateful comments, but if I am courteous to them, I can reasonably expect them to be courteous to me. We'll see.

[CitizenLeft]

101. very true.

"Ultimately, I am responsible for only one poster's remarks on here, and that is my own."

Yes. And I have kept my anger in check, overall, though there have been times when I've really gotten angry.

But the racial stuff on this board is OUT OF HAND. And sadly, I see very very few Clinton supporters saying "you need to stop." That really gets to me on a board that professes to be progressive. I have a really hard tiem when I hear people calling Obama supporters who fight Clinton supporters "haters" but the racist excrement is not considered hate. Mind-boggling. Perhaps it depends on what the definition of "hate" is.

[Shae]

103. If you're sure the post is racist...

you should alert and encourage others to alert.

BTW--The one person I have on my ignore list essentially said that Obama should drop out because he is black and therefore can't be elected. I thought that was a racist remark, but I didn't alert on this person, and that post still stands in the archives today.

[CitizenLeft]

106. oddly enough...

...while I'm big on "ignore," I never use the alert option. As much as it makes me sick, I think they have a right to say it, no matter how ugly it is... but I have a right to ignore it. :) I WILL use alert, though, if I think it's a freeper. But these aren't freepers... they're Democrats. :(

I'll just be glad when this is over.

[ekwhite]

112. Well said N/T

[BlooInBloo]

94. Like most Americans don't matter to Clinton, neither do the sensibilities of few Clinton supporters.

Anyone not voting for the eventual Democratic nominee because people on the internet were mean is a worthless fucking jackass.

[truth please]

98. The women for Hillary are really something else

If you just read the comments on the CNN blogs from women supporters of Sen Clinton you can feel the hatred for Sen Obama. These women are so hell bent on her winning the nomination that they are willing to hand the election over to Mccain. They profess on the blogs on the radio stations and anywhere else they can voice their opinions that if Hillary isn't the nominee they will vote McCain. They blame Obama for everything, there is nothing he can do that is right. If he says she can stay in the race as long as she wants, they say he's arrogant. Why is it that he is portrayed as cocky, arrogant, empty suit, inexperienced, dumb and any other condescending name but Hillary is confident, a fighter, brilliant and confident. The worst is when they describe them, she is a woman he is a black. Is he not a man because he is black?

There is nothing that Sen. Obama can do because they feel it is time for a woman to be in the White House. They do not care how she gets in just as long as she gets in. The old saying hell hath no fury like a woman scorned seems to mean this political race if Hillary doesn't win. It is beyond shocking at the amount of women that will vote for the Republican Party if their nominee does not win. So I guess they are willing to throw away all the gains for future women with the Supreme Court picks that John McCain will put in. He isn't for women's rights, but I guess that's alright just as long as you get your way. The sad part of this is it is the older women that most of these things won't effect that are willing to toss away the rights of the younger ones.

[cbayer]

181. The blacks for Obama are really something else.

How's that sit with you? Not too well, I would hope.

Let's continue:
f you just read the comments on the CNN blogs from black supporters of Sen Obama you can feel the hatred for Sen Clinton. These blacks are so hell bent on him winning the nomination that they are willing to hand the election over to Mccain. They profess on the blogs on the radio stations and anywhere else they can voice their opinions that if Barack isn't the nominee they will vote McCain. They blame Clinton for everything, there is nothing she can do that is right.

I could go on, but I think you get my point.

[apocalypsehow]

230. Delete.

n/t.

[cbayer]

232. First of all, I am not an "HRC booster".

Secondly, I was pointing out how sexist the post was by changing it from women to blacks. Where did you get the idea from that that I was a racist?

[apocalypsehow]

236. I did not see post #98 above - I thought your post was an original, not a reply in thread.

Therefore, I missed the point of your post and the context it was written in. My apologies.

[cbayer]

238. Thank you. Apology accepted.

:hi:

[truth please]

288. I read the CNN blogs everyday

and there are more hateful messages from women than anyone. They look blame him for everything that happens. What I hear from black people is that if they steal the election from him they will vote for McCain, which I think is wrong but the hate for Obama is 4 times the hate for Clinton. They never say she just ran a bad campaign. Maybe is she had planned a campaign past Feb 5th she may have come out better. Spending all your campaign funds before the race is over is not very good planning. Only having a campaign strategy that ended on Feb 5th is what killed her chances to win, but instead of looking at what kind of campaign she ran, which was awful they blame Obama.

[cbayer]

289. Welcome to DU!

I did not realize until after I had responded to you that you had written the original post.

I don't doubt your experience with CNN boards, I just challenge what I believe was a very sexist post.

:hi:

[No Blood for Hubris]

233. Calling Clinton a "f*cking whore" in a Obama fund-raiser? With no apology from Obama?

Sure, dude, I 'm going to vote for your guy.

Obama needs to reject Randi Rhodes' disgusting comments, apologize for her behavior, and return all the money raised that night.

Vicious fascists.

[No Blood for Hubris]

240. Yes, I'm sure you've been fighting for choice all your life, have you not?

Not. I don't think you give a crap.

Your comments are disparaging to women and to women's issues. It is your blindness on this subject that is eroding women's support.

A few months ago, I was pro-Hillary, but ok with Obama.

Now that I know him and his supporters better, I like him and them less every single day. Your post just continues the trend.

[Warren Stupidity]

99. All except (6): let it stink stunk.

The nefarious bullshit OPs need to be challenged on the facts.

[ekwhite]

105. Challenge the facts, certainly

But do it respectfully. The term 'nefarious bullshit OPs' immediately focuses the discussion on the name calling, instead of the facts. Force them to confront you on the facts, if they are wrong. Ask them for sources, present your own sources. If they call you names and you continue to respond with facts, they lose.

[Bluenorthwest]

108. Allow me to improve upon a great point

7) Treat Clinton supporters here like undecided voters for the fall, and try to convince them to vote for Obama and get involved instead of attacking them.


Both sides would do well to remember that for many of us, the Primary season is just starting and we have yet to actually pick a candidate. Lots of voters make up their minds in the booth. I vote May 20, I'm about to go hear Hillary speak and next week I'll hear an unnamed major Obama surrogate. I've got pluses and minuses for both. I would have prefered other choices.
So rave against one another for fun and frolic, but if you are really wanting to win the nomination by delegate count, I'd say the real point is to persuade the uncommitted Democrats to your side, the rest, frankly, who cares? Everybody gets to vote. Best focus on the winnable votes that are still there.
People bring up concerns and questions and get slammed for it. I guess if I was all big for one of these two I'd see ever question and concern as a chance to win a vote. Period.
The namecalling is a huge mistake as the Obama candidacy is supposed to be a movement and a new way, and frankly I do not see the influence of the leader on even the most ardent of followers. If he can not influence those who love him to campaign on a high level, it may be because he himself really does not do so either? But forget Obama, do I really want to volunteet to work with a bunch of name calling bully types? I don't think so. Who needs it? Obama backers say daily that my issues and concerns are of no meaning and my vote is not needed, why would I go phone bank with them? In cold reality, why would anybody?

[nichomachus]

109. Hillary supporters should show the way

I do not support either candidate yet. I have tried to keep an open mind -- even though I started out with good feelings about Hillary and didn't know much about Obama.

I see more so-called "hate" coming from the Hillary side -- all the smear/whisper campaign about "did you hear what Obama's mother's hairdresser said in 1988" type of crap.

If Hillary supporters want the "Hate" to stop, they have a long hill to climb on their own side. They should show the way and stick to the issues -- not GOP-type attacks on tangential or even false issues.

The most recent examples, all of the posts insinuating that because the Clintons donated a lot of money to their own foundation, that somehow makes Hillary a better candidate than Obama. That's just bullshit and ignores the issues.

[B Calm]

114. Oh they have, they been great teachers!

[ekwhite]

115. That's an interesting take

I wish we would get more compare and contrast posts on the issues. For example, more "I support Clinton because she has the better health plan, with details on why it is better," instead of more Rezko and Wright posts. Scandal mongering doesn't do the party any good.

[guruoo]

117. A quick scan of the greatest page seems to disprove your theory

that the Hillary camp is the predominant source of these attacks.

[comradebillyboy]

307. I think there must be about 10 or 20 Hillary suupporters who still

come to DU on a regular basis. So don't bother to tone things down for our benefit. I stop by once in a while to see if things have mellowed out, but its only gotten worse. I may come back after the convention. Jeebus, freak republic is rational and civilized compared to DU any more.

[Taxmyth]

116. Nice sentiment but

sorry to be rude but trying to stay on focus: Why should I vote for Obama?

[kmsarvis]

118. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE YOU STRONGER SUPPORTERS.......

IF YOUR CANDIDATE WINS YOU WILL BE "FULLY VETTED" COME NOVEMBER.

[Eurobabe]

120. I urge all Obama supporters to do SOMETHING for PA!!!

I can't do anything except money, but you all can call or do something worthwhile rather than post messages on DU.

Come on, let's win this fair and square. :hi:

[PoliticalAmazon]

123. Hillary Clinton daily earns the hatred. Don't blame the victim--blame the source. n/t

[democrattotheend]

208. That's not my point

Whether she earns it or not, spewing hatred is so antethetical to our candidate's positive message of unity. If you want to rant about her take it to the Obama supporters group, don't post it here if it's hateful.

[undeterred]

128. load of 14,000 year old poo

[Skittles]

136. I don't know how else to explain it but misogynism

there is more hatred here for Hillary than for bush :puke:

[GoneOffShore]

146. It has to do with her barely disguised sidle to the dark side.

It's certainly not misogynistic -Though there are plenty of posts criticizing her behaviour, voting record and campaign tactics. Most are rightly deserved.

[Skittles]

149. you can't stop, can you?

it's a sickness - look at the hatred in this thread. Just sickening beyond belief. :puke:

[GoneOffShore]

151. ..

:eyes:

You can't tell the difference between misogyny and criticism of egregious behaviour.

Buh bye.

[Zavulon]

137. Here ten quick suggestions for Hillary:

1.) Stop lying like a Republican.

2.) Stop voting like a Republican. When we're gearing up to attack Iran we don't need you helping the war machine again.

3.) Admit the IWR vote was a mistake.

4.) Stop using transparently deceptive language like "misspoke."

5.) Can the fake tears.

6.) Give it a rest with the phony indignation when you're even worse than your opponent.

7.) Tell Bill to take a deep breath and stop making you look worse than you already do.

8.) Seriously consider the benefits of you and your supporters canning the "waaah, that's sexism" every time someone fails to speak glowingly about you. Believe it or not, lots of people don't give a rat's ass about your plumbing.

9.) Give us some reasons to vote for you other than the 'D' after your last name.

10.)Take a look in the mirror and try to see what those of us who can't stand you see. Eventually, you might figure out why even lots of Democrats hate you. I've voted straight ticket Democrat for the past decade and a half and even I can't stand you - or even the sight of you.

[Limelight]

138. Who are the real haters here?

30someodd% of Hillary supporters said they'd vote for McCain before Barack as opposed to 20someodd% of Obama supporters saying that about Hillary.

Says two things... 1, there are a lot of stupid people who'd rather vote for McCain rather than Barack or Hillary, good grief... 2. Which side is really spitting the venom here?

Here's a hint... it begins with an H.

[onehandle]

139. Good luck with that. DU = Free Republic. nt

[TLM]

187. So support Hillary....

or you're a freeper... and Obama's supporters are responsible for the hate.

Check.

[L. Coyote]

140. " STOP THE HATRED" starts with not calling others hateful. This is clever, but more of same.

Transparent as clean glass DEM bash.

[knixphan]

141. also, this would help everybody....

Get outside for a while.

[kwenu]

142. Yes, Yes, No, Depends, Yes, Depends, No, Yes, No, Yes.

I am a supporter of Obama but I won't tolerate lies from either side and have no problems challenging them directly. I only react and respond to what is being said. I don't know anyone on this site personally so any insults exchanged should be taken with a grain of salt. If someone says something unkind about me or Obama (my candidate) and it's funny, you can be sure I'll be laughing too. It's not smart to think that the sum total of a person can be decided by what is posted on an internet site. I form my true thoughts and feelings about Obama and Clinton based upon what he or she says and what he or she does, not because some random person on the internet has an errant thought.

Both of the Democratic candidates have better programs and ideas for this country than the Republican opposition. I have a serious problem with what motivates one candidate over the other but have no doubt that both are capable and will advance the status and well-being of this nation if for no other reason than to bring and end to Bush's War.

If any Democrat puts her or his personal and illogical biases over the support of the Democratic nominee and thereby votes for the continuation of the war and the status quo then so be it. The democratic Clinton supporters have the same duty that I do to elect a democratic nominee and I won't waste my time convincing them of that. If they are absurd enough to believe in the fantasy of Clinton being elected in 2012 is a better option than voting for Obama in 2008 let them. They can take smug comfort in having the foot of the Republicans on our necks while more people go off to die in a foolish war and the civil rights victories of the last 50 years are overturned for at least the rest of our lives.

[butterfly77]

143. This is one sentence I agree with...

"During the Wright controversy, I was upset that some Clinton supporters seemed unable to see that it was a right wing smear attack and unwilling to help us fight back."

I think that a lot of supporters on both sides fail to realize that while we are arguing amongst each other that, there are a lot of repugs on board and on other sites stirring up the pot.

[DainBramaged]

145. What hatred??

We don't hate, we negotiate. We don't hate, we populate. We don't hate, we reinvigorate.

[pathansen]

150. K&R

[VotesForWomen]

152. good advice. nt

[samsingh]

154. extreme repugs are the enemy of all that is good, right, and light

save our revulsion for them

[cooolandrew]

155. Yes, we make a better world with diplomacy and treating folks nicer than they may sometimes to us.

[DeepModem Mom]

156. Thank you. K&R

[Rubiconski2009]

158. Throw a bucket of water on Hillary....

..I think she'll melt.

[Andrea]

159. THANK YOU

I am neutral between Obama and Clinton. I have been so disappointed in the level of discourse around here in recent weeks. It all reflects badly on all of us as Democrats. It gives ammunition to the Republicans. It's divisive. It has been downright hateful in some cases. It's not productive in any way.

I hope everyone, whether supporters of either of these two candidates or not, will get on board with these comments.

You've performed a valuable service by posting this. I wish I could give it 10 recs, but I can't so I'll give it one.

[pnwmom]

161. K & R. Strongly recommended. n/t

[Marrah_G]

162. As a Hillary supporter I am with you.

I am a Democrat supporting a Democrat in a Democratic primary. That doesn't mean I have to hate her opponent or tear him up.

The incredible amount of nastiness here is astonishing. I believe it is a dozen or so people continually stirring the pot using RW talking points. Sadly some long time Duers have taken the bait and are behaving horribly.

I can't wait for the primaries to be over so those who are only here because they like causing fights will leave.

The responses to your post shows just how low things have gone here.

[EFerrari]

163. I don't really need someone to give me orders

and the CAP LOCK drama is tiresome. Sorry.

[0007]

257. I'll second that!! n/t

[EFerrari]

305. Hey -- that's a great shirt!

[depakid]

166. You have to remember that there are about 20 or so fequent posters with low emotional IQ's

in the early adolescent range (indeed, they may well be adolescents).

They rarely add anything interesting or useful, but seems to enjoy degrading the dialog, which ironically reflects very poorly on their candidate.

Not that they seem to care- perhaps, that's the point.

[OzarkDem]

167. I vote they keep it up

[guyanakoolaid]

182. And I vote Hillary dishes out more of her lies and praise for McCain

[lilyannerose]

169. Stop the Hatred

I've been a lurker here for a few years now, and this thread finally made me register and add my bit. I post a few boards and I have to wonder why the HRC supporters have this just shut up and vote HRC mentality? HRC has demonstrated herself to possess many of the same qualities I detest in the neocons and I've done lots of online and living room screaming about them. Why am I expected to make a hypocrite of myself and passively vote HRC should she steal the nomination? Why should I or anyone else be expected to sell out their values because it's a DEMOCRAT behaving very badly?

[Swamp Rat]

266. Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Danger Mouse]

170. i agree that the hillary hatred has gotten out of control.

good post, recommended.

[liberal N proud]

171. Hate is such a republicon thing

To see people who support a Democratic candidate engaging in hate and against another Democrat is so un Democratic.

All the post about hate do is give the MSM fuel to fan the flames with. This AM on CBS, I heard them read a post from another forum regarding the hate Obama supporters are showing toward Clinton.

[Time for change]

172. Great list!

[HockeyMom]

176. Look, I voted for the woman TWICE

I could kick myself. If not for people like me, she would not be where she is today. I, and other like me, were her stepping stone to "glory". She did nothing for New York State. She will do nothing for the USA. We need no more wars or NAFTA.

No more. I will not vote for her again.

[0007]

303. I'm still kicking myself and still hearing nothing but lies coming

out of Hillary's piehole.

When will she ever wise up?

[Thepricebreaker]

177. Its politics - its the way it always has and always will be.

You think this is the first time democrats had major in fighting?

Carter and Ted Kennedy went at it at the democratic convention.

Ted Kennedy basically shut that thing down.

[MethuenProgressive]

179. kicking for Peace!

Stop it, Obama followers! Stop it!

[MethuenProgressive]

180. kicking for Peace!

Stop it, Obama followers! Stop it!

[cbayer]

183. Good job.

You stimulated a conversation that was, for the most part, civil.

[TLM]

186. NO.... I'm not a campaign staffer, no a candidate...

I'm an american and I'm not going to hide my opinion or sugar coat my criticisms because the last few remaining diehard hillary supporters don't like it.

1... stop spinning any attack on Hillary as a sexist attack. Calling her shrill isn't sexist, it is an opinion that her speaking voice is grating and annoying to many, especially when she gets a little angry or frustrated. The fact she has a vagina doesn't make any criticism of her somehow sexist or off limits.

2... her behavior is part of who she is as a person. If she repeatedly says and does despicable things, how then is it out of line to say she is despicable?

3... it is over. She lost on super tuesday. Her campaign is alive in the same sense that Terri Schiavo was still alive. The truth may not be fun for the diehard supporters to hear, but that's no reason to lie to them. Even though they apparently like being lied to.

4... after calling Obama supporters cult members, I find it rather hypocritical for the Hillary supporters to complain that it is out of line for them to be called robots. Granted the Obama folks who do that are simply sinking to their level, but that's to be expected. I'd say if you can't take the heat stay out of the kitchen, but someone will probably accuse me of making a sexist attack.

5... only a moron assumes that an offensive poster speaks for anybody but themselves. I'm not here to police anybody, on either side.

6... really this was the only point needed... and you could shorten it to, if you don't like a post or poster, ignore. Simple really, and no policing of opinions necessary.

7... I'll treat clintion supporters as i would treat anyone... based on their words, actions, and behavior. I'll not treat someone with kid gloves because they threaten to vote for McCain. If they'd rather vote for McCain than Obama because they are sore losers... FUCK THEM!

8... I'm not Obama and I'm not here to make people love me or to get myself elected.

9... no, I'm not going to hide my opinions or sugar coat criticisms as if i were a staffer. I will say what I think and if you or hillary supporters do not like it, that's tough... feel free to put me on ignore.

10... This is just silly. We're not going to lose because we fail to bite our tongues or hold back criticisms in the primary.

[stevenleser]

189. I agree with everything you said and more succinctly I will say...

... if Hillary supporters do not attempt to swiftboat Obama, I will not feel the need to rise to his defense and attack back.

[TLM]

196. It reminds me of high school....

When I was a sophomore in HS, there was this girl running for student council.

She was a drama queen, who would be nice and all smiles when talking to you, but the second your back was turned she'd dog you out, lie about you, and talk shit about you to someone else she was trying to win over. She did this to everybody... especially the other girl she was running against for the student council president position.

To call her two faced would have been a massive understatement, she had a different face for every person and a different persona for every clique.

Long story short... the girl she was running against started getting people together and comparing notes about what this girl said about them vs what she said to them. And very quickly she lost all her support and lost the election because people were pissed at her. All her opponent did was tell the truth and cut through the BS, and she won. Because all the kids figured, well if that girl is talking crap about me behind my back and then lying to my face, then how can I believe what she said about anything or anybody.

And when she lost, she cried, and blamed it on...her opponent spreading rumors and lies about her.

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[OnyxCollie]

193. As a Kucinich supporter, and then an Edwards supporter,

I didn't have a dog in this race when I voted in the Ohio primary. When it came time to vote, this is what I looked at:

Obama didn't have much of a record. Hillary did, but that record included voting for the IWR and the Kyl-Lieberman amendment.

That's bad. Unacceptable bad.

Hillary has ties to the DLC and Blackwater (Mark Penn).

Again, that's bad. I decided to vote for Obama.

Since then, the Rev. Wright clips appeared. That didn't bother me, mainly because I'm smart enough to differentiate between the nation and the state, and will not allow the MSM to outrage me. Obama gave a great speech that called out these distractions for what they are, bread and circuses. (Gay marriage and flag burning, anyone?)

On edit: I say gay marriage was a distraction because it brought out all the homophobes/moral value voters, and gave cover to the election theft. No disrespect intended to my GLBT brothers and sisters.

I'm still in the dark as to the details for Obama's "change", but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Hillary (and her husband), on the other hand, have become utterly repellent to me. First with the important/unimportant states, then the FL/MI debacle, then the McCain praise, the NAFTA-gate, the Bosnia story, the Ireland story, and now this hospital story, the Judas remark, the fairy tale remark, the Obama's speech remark, the Muslim remark, and more than I care to remember at this time.

I haven't even started on Hillary's supporters with their claims of sexism.

So, please stop. Take a look at what is happening to the Democratic party. Don't be a Nader. Don't be the spoiler to allow McCain to win.

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[OnyxCollie]

201. That's not helping either. nt

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[PoliticalAmazon]

203. Sun Tzu: "It takes many types of soldiers to win a battle."...

...You can't have all diplomats, and you can't have all warriors.

So instead of assuming you are the alpha and omega about what is the correct way to post against an issue, how about just being glad that others have different ways that will hit the opposition in ways your approach can't.

[OnyxCollie]

207. ???

I read some of your posts on this thread and agreed with them. I don't know what you're getting at. Oh, well.

[Ken Burch]

206. Thanks for your post. Both sides NEED each other in the end.

Civility now. Or McCain and a Hundred Years' War.

Your call, folks.

[guyanakoolaid]

210. The McCain option is fine with Clinton

she thinks he'd be better than Obama

Sorry, after speaking these words, all bets are off and all hatred completely deserved.

[Zhade]

213. I hate pathological liars. HATE THEM. No quarter will ever be given to them.

Sorry, can't fulfill your request, better luck next time - opposing proven liars who want to lead the "free" world is more imperative than not hurting her supporters' feelings by pointing out the truth about their candidate.

[RBInMaine]

214. Welcome to politics. (Plus, with what Hill and Bill have pulled of late, quarter is hard to give.)

[happygoluckytoyou]

220. I GET THE POST---->

BUT MY CANDIDATE EDWARDS JUMPED OUT OF THE CONTEST FOR THE GOOD OF THE PARTY....

....IF MS CLINTON WANTS THE SAME RESPECT FROM ME, THEN SHE SHOULD QUIT THE TACTICS SHE IS USING, SEE THAT SHE CANNOT GET THE DELEGATES IN ANY FAIR MANNER... AND DROP OUT OF THE RACE AS WELL

---I KNOW YOU ARE TRYING TO BRING THE PEACE... BUT "PLAY NICE" DOESN'T WORK

the only things hillary hanging on has done.... she has made obama more and more attractive as a candidate.... she has made him stronger and given him massive air time to explain issues...
BUT FOR THE GOOD OF THE PARTY.... IT IS TIME FOR......HER......TO MAKE THE RIGHT MOVE

[totodeinhere]

223. It's not "hate." It's legitimate criticism.

IMO there are so many legitimate criticisms of the Clinton campaign and they deserve to be called out on it. Yet when you do that some Clinton supporters start yelling "hate." That's just wrong.

The Clinton campaign talks about the so-called disenfranchisement of voters in Michigan and Florida, yet they want to disenfranchise almost the whole electorate that has voted so far by trying to get Obama's pledged delegates to change sides. To me that is the height of hypocrisy, and it's not hateful for me to say that, it's the truth.

Hillary Clinton has been caught in a pattern of lies. The two most glaring examples are her lies about her trip to the Balkans and her story about the woman who didn't get treatment in a hospital. So tell me this. Is it hateful to call her a "liar" or is it just telling it like it is?

Then there's the disgraceful way that they have treated a good Democrat, Bill Richardson. We all know that Clinton surrogate Carville called Richardson a "Judas." IMO calling him that indeed is hateful, but calling him out on that like many Obama supporters did in this forum is not.

And what about Clinton's assertion that McCain is qualified to be president but Obama is not. She is dissing the probable nominee of our party and giving McCain plenty of ammunition to use in the fall. Is it hateful for Obama supporters to bring up this travesty? I think not.

And what about Bill Clinton's red faced tirades? Is it OK if I complain about that and say it is unbecoming for a former president? Or is that hateful too?

Then we have those fat cat Clinton contributers who threatened Nancy Pelosi. Is that sort of brutish behavior proper in a campaign? Is it proper for me to bring this up or again am I just being hateful?

I could go on and on but I'm a bad typist and I've spent enough time on this. But you get my point.

[Spiffarino]

226. I like Obama, and I don't hate Hillary

She's just not my Democrat right now. I think Obama's better. That doesn't give me or anybody the right to demean her. It's high time we realize that, whether we want Hillary to get the nomination, she'll be damn sight better than any Republican could ever be.

Let's get a Democrat in the White House and, whether it's Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, we can celebrate like crazy on January 20th next year.

Big Ks and Rs.

[Peregrine Took]

229. I was very disappointed in my favorite columnist, Matt Taibbi today when

he referred to HRC's "droopy underarms" and indulged in other ageist and sexist comments.

Jeez, as liberals or progressives or whatever the hell we are - can we leave the vile aspersions to the knuckle dragging freepers?

I'm pretty sure some day (if he lives long enough) ole Matt will have some "droop" to some portion(s) of his anatomy.

I swear this never ending primary season is bringing out the worst in many, many people.

[No Blood for Hubris]

243. That's disgusting. And it is that kind of treatment that is justly

pissing a lot of people off.

Do you have a link for that?

[helderheid]

234. rec 81

[greguganus]

239. Hatred for Queen Warmonger doesn't compare to the loss of lives in Iraq. Fuck her. n/t

[No Blood for Hubris]

242. And F*ck you. (oh, and they wonder why they're losing our votes?) Hmm.

Why would that be?

[AtomicKitten]

244. I'm going to have to go ahead and disagree with you.

Obama and supporters aren't the problem. The problem is the Clinton campaign in which no cheese is too cheesy nor low blow too low. She has two options: Dropping out with dignity or continuing to try to win dirty. Unfortunately she has chosen the latter. Don't expect rank and file Democrats to feel warm and fuzzy about that strategy.

[FogerRox]

246. #9 is a good point, but #3 is false. It was over feb 4th.

I'm all for toning down the crap.

5 stages of grief



Denial - We will win on march 4th, well no... ah the next primary we will win big.... They are still in denial, thinking that somehow the superdelegates will hand it to her, when she's lost the contest. But, it's a much milder level of denial that it was back in January and February.

Anger - Well, there's plenty of that all around. This seems to be the stage that most of them in right now. That's why they are so negative. Can't wait until they are mostly out of this stage myself.

Bargaining - We saw that in the "offer" to let Obama be her VP. They tried. Once it's clearer to them that the game is over, I would expect more bargaining to occur. They can make things more difficult for the Dems and Obama. Let's hope it's more like bargaining and less like blackmail.

Depression - Maybe a depressed candidate makes crazy statements about landing in Kosovo to sniper fire...
When we get there, the air will just go out of the balloon. That's when Hillary will give up. Her suppporters will go quiet. This is bound to happen once the primaries are over. Her supporters may still feel they can't support Obama at this stage, but they will have stopped fighting him.

Acceptance - I am sure by the fall, most will have made it to this stage. They'll vote Democratic. Hillary's supporters are all good Democrats. They will help the party

[No Blood for Hubris]

250. We'll see about that. Your little meme of "it's over it's over roll over and die, Hillary" is

one of those things that Obama people do that really pisses people like me off.

You want to be dismissive and sexist and denigrating?

Go ahead. Make my day.

[FogerRox]

254. Go ahead get it out.

[Ken Burch]

260. It's not sexist to talk about how little chance one candidate has compared to another.

It's just math.

It's also the knowledge that the longer the nomination remains open, regardless of the merits of either candidates, the worse our chances get. If anyone wins at the last minute, do you honestly think that person will be able to pull us together?

[guyanakoolaid]

275. AGAIN with the unwarranted sexism charges

[Zambero]

252. The comments of supporters don't necessarily reflect those of candidates

I support Obama. I also respect the views of those that do not. The candidates are running intense campaigns to win, but sometimes their supporters are making even more noise along the way. The vile insults we're seeing on DU are more than just personal attacks, they are self-defeating. If enough hard feelings are generated we will insure another disastrous Bush-Cheney term through his willing surrogate John McCain. I suggest that people grow up a bit, agree to disagree, and hopefully clean up their vocabulary a bit along the way. As far as important issues go, we generally agree amongst ourselves. Some might disagree, but electing a viable Democratic candidate who is right on those issues is ultimately more important than any one candidate, or how their followers might react to petty insults. Regardless of how one perceives Bill Clinton's standing these days, his advice to "Chill out" was very appropriate. In the same sentence he also predicted a Democratic victory, and his prediction will likely be correct, provided we take the time and effort to show a little respect for one another.

[polmaven]

255. I salute you for your attempt,

democrattotheend. It's too bad it fell short. There are some....actually more than some, on both sides, so overwhelmed by their hate they are absolutely unable to even consider there are:

8) One of the things I love about Obama is his willingness to listen to differing opinions and see multiple sides of an issue, and to disagree without being disagreeable. Try to follow his lead and keep an open mind. Recognize that not everything Clinton does is evil and compliment her when she proposes a policy you like or does something classy.

I hope it is because they are relatively new to the political process, and will, as time goes by, grow into recognizing that differing opinions are what makes out process so good, and that hatred of those with whom we differ is so counter-productive.

Again...thank you for trying to exert a little adult supervision here.

[jeanmarc]

256. Geraldine and Hillary dragged this campaign to the gutter

This was no mistake. This was to establish the meme that if you disagree with Obama, you're a 'racist'. Which alienates white voters.

Then you have Hillary propping up McCain as No. 2 to Barack's No. 3 for 'Commander In Chief'.

F every Hillary supporter that supports that nonsense here. That's low and stupid and she needs to get the F out of this campaign.

[depakid]

265. No she did it- no he did it -she did it.

Childish, don't you think?

kind of like the foot stomping: "fuck Hillary supporters" and "she needs to get the fuck out of this campaign."

[bajamary]

259. Good post, thank you

Thanks for the good post. There is way too much hateful language and foul language (f**k etc) on DU.

Perhaps the Obama and Hillary supporters should remind themselves every night that we all want a victory of a Democrat this November.

We are all passionate people, and all of us have reasons we support our candidates but maybe we can all take a few minutes to think about the words we're using on DU.

Just take a minute to think about the "power of your words".

[cloud75]

267. posting "sexist, demeaning, and hateful crap about his opponent"

how do you Obama's gotten this far?

[Catherine Vincent]

274. Thank you so much for spanking your fellow Obama supporters.

It was surely needed.

:thumbsup:

[AX10]

277. kick

[Omaha Steve]

278. I've never posted any hatred toward a Dem that I can remember

There are plenty of dual personalities that argue with themselves under two different names. Call them mud slingers. They are under the power of the dark side. Screw them. Leave them to fight with themselves. Take the high road(the bridge is above the trolls).

I've read but not posted much in GDP since the 3 post limit started. The target is McCain, McCain, McCain. Ok several Senators and Congresspersons too.

[mcollier]

286. Obama = more that just an educated guess.

I ask you to join the Obama team to help take our country in an new direction, one of openness, honesty, integrity, hope, respect, wise judgment and prosperity... Together we can make the difference. We all have worked hard to get power back to the people. With Barack Obama, we have that opportunity...

Visit www.BarackObama.com Find out how you can join the movement.

Thanks All,


MC

[IowaGirl]

287. I appreciate your efforts to try to create some civility here, however, as you can see, we can't....

get to the end of the thread without people lambasting Hillary and, who knows, maybe a Clinton supporter has already retaliated. I got partially down the thread but gave up in frustration. It was a wise and wonderful gesture but I think it's too late. :shrug:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

290. I applaud your sincere effort but as reflected by most of the replies, unobtainable

sigh

[Baby Snooks]

291. Enough is enough

When the royal couple released their tax returns their supporters rallied once more. They paid their taxes, they gave to charity.

On closer look there appear to be some discrepancies in the figures in terms of how much tax they paid on what but more importantly as to their charitable nature the bulk of their charitable contributions went to themselves. The Clinton Family Foundation. Millions. They finally began giving some of it away. Last year. As she began her campaign.

And while we're at it this "public service commitment" apparently didn't rub off. Might be interesting to see Chelsea Clinton's tax return. To see how much she has made as a hedge fund manager. She may be earning more than her parents. Compare her to Caroline Kennedy. You can't.

Let's get down to the nitty gritty vicious truth. Part of the reason why Wall Street is being bailed out is because of the hedge funds. And there is Chelsea Clinton. Raking it in along with her parents.

And her campaign itself. Worse than any Republican campaign. Racist. Xenophobic. And Mark Penn. She probably would have hired Karl Rove if she thought no one would notice. At first, no one did notice Mark Penn. Now they have. Mark Penn is obviously entrenched in the "neo-con" cabal and so what's the difference between him and Karl Rove? None really. Who recommended him to her? Karl Rove?

Personally I don't hate her. By the same token, I will never vote for her. And quite a few feel the same way.

And for those who say "well, you're not a Democrat" to those who don't vote for her, well, neither is she really. You just want to think she is.

[gtar100]

293. Right on! Well said. Let's not contribute to the hatefulness.

Glad your post is rising to the top with recommends. We all need each other.

[gort]

294. Clinton supporters, I am begging you, Stop Drowning Kittens!

eom

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[Political Heretic]

298. On policing our own: I have so many people on my ignore list now from both sides....

....that I don't get to initiate quite as many "Obama Police Actions" as I used to.

I had to do that for my own sanity.

[DWilliamsamh]

299. Agreed, I take the pledge....though i am rarely nasty first

I take my bit of responsibility for letting the anger at the recent tactics of her campaign get the best of me. Although I make every effort to respond with the facts (and sources), I confess to some not so nice words spilling from my keyboard on occasion.

I am joining the pledge - although I will continue endeavor to correct misstatements and distortions about Obama, I will limit my self to posting about why Senator Obama is the best choice, in my opinion.

[DWilliamsamh]

300. Self Delete - Duplicate post

delete

[BayjanDem]

304. At the risk

of sounding like a 4th grader, they started it. The attacks on Hillary are in response to the hate her people have lobbed at Obama. Now we're both screwed because neither group will support the other nominee, and Grandpa Munster will be President.