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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:11 PM Original message |
Barack Obama's Healthcare Plan Does NOT Include Me. How is it Universal? |
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DJ13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. In what way are you excluded? |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. It's not a flamebait post at all. I am an adult, and I am not covered under his plan. |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:16 PM Original message |
You are not "covered" under Clinton's plan either |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
14. Clinton's plan is more in depth than that... and its not all for profit... |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. I never said it was not a good plan |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
47. Single payer is mandated. |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. Single payer is a mandate on the government |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. No, it's not. Medicare and Social Security are "social insurance," you have to pay into it. |
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democrattotheend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #61 |
75. If it were government-run insurance, that would be different |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #75 |
87. Ahhhh... this is wrong. |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #61 |
90. That is such a clear and concise explanation. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #61 |
91. You're right that HRC's plan is a combination of private and public health |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #55 |
89. Wrong. Clinton mandates no one to buy private insurance. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #47 |
82. Look, bub: YOU ARE THE ONE who doesn't understand what "Single Payer" means. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #82 |
92. Hillary's plan allows anyone who wants to choose a government run plan |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about people running around going "Hillary's plan IS |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. No it isn't. But it's a good first step, an incremental move in the correct |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 08:01 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. Oh, absolutely, doing something is better than doing nothing. |
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quakerboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
110. A is B. Is B A? |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #14 |
27. I really cannot see where giving the health insurance industry... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #27 |
49. Hillary's plan is almost Edwards' plan in totality! |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
79. Yes it is all for-profit |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #14 |
102. Do you know who Jacob Hacker is? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:55 PM Response to Original message |
88. Wrong. Hillary's plan forces NO ONE to buy for-profit insurance. |
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rox63 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. And you still won't comment about why you are "excluded" |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #3 |
56. You will not go to jail or have your wages garnered if you choose to not be in the plan |
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cliffordu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
96. Barak doesn't like you, that's why. He said so last night. |
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mimitabby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
2. talk about general |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. ok..what details do you need to explain my exclusion to a so called universal plan? |
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snooper2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #6 |
45. how much do you make a year.. |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #45 |
100. Why? |
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debatepro (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
4. The only reason you would be excluded from |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Really? do you have a link? |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
57. Its been in most of the debates and most all discussion anywhere on the plans |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
70. You made the claim that you weren't covered... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #4 |
50. And possibly because it costs twice as much as Hillary's plan? |
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mohc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
5. Is this a trick question? |
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mohc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
17. OK, I guess my first guess was not correct since you did not reply |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
30. No...I was responding to you. nt |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
23. Not a trick question at all. A former Edwards girl turned Hillary because I hated how she was being |
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mohc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. Well then |
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LisaM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
7. Well the fact is that it does not cover everybody |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #7 |
34. Of course she is covered under Obama's plan |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
8. THERES A HUGE DETAIL THAT NOBODY GETS IN THIS DEBATE |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Yeah, bring FACTS into the debate. Asshole. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. OOPS!!! I thought I was in another forum!! |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. "Kittens are SOOOOOOOOOOO cute" is not a FACT. It's a goddamn opinion. Asshole. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. No, it is a FACT! Deal with it!!! |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
62. Deal with the fact that Randi will NEVER be yours! |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
43. Those facts have no bearing on what their PLAN is. If Congress is going to amend, shouldn't he |
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superkia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 08:39 PM Response to Reply #43 |
104. IF the starting point has anything to do with it, like Clinton and... |
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knixphan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
24. Right on! |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #8 |
25. I'm sorry. Does that make his plan universal somehow? On the serious. nt |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
37. neither plan is universal unless they include medicare for all |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
53. That's *exactly* what Hillary's health care plan does. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. no choosing, true universal would just cover everyone under medicare |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. We don't have details but it would probably default to the extended-Medicare. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #63 |
81. like I originally said, Congress will have a large say in how it will work |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
39. actually that isn't how it works. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. educate me then |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
51. Obama would *veto* any plan that is fixed. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. no, he would not |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. If it had mandates he would veto it. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. HIS PLAN INCLUDES SUBSIDIES |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. By subsidies I mean she subsidizes everyone, he does not. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. they all reverse Bush's tax cuts |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. But he doesn't use the money for Health Care. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. I didnt know taxes were specifially earmarked for specific programs |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #76 |
101. No, but how they say they'll ask for earmarks has a big effect on WHO WE LET HAVE THAT POWER. nt |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Put down the crack pipe and listen to yourself for 5 goddamn minutes |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. What's not making sense? |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
66. Good point - Whatever the POTUS's plan, what we get is congress's plan |
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IndependentDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
78. THANK YOU!! |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
10. Being forced to buy insurance makes you feel included in a plan? |
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woolldog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
18. lol |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. It scares me that people are begging to be forced to buy for-profit insurance. |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. I'm forced to pay for things I disagree with all the time. Like weapons and the like... |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Hillarys plan is NOT universal. |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. I support HR676, why doesn't Obama? PS. Hillary's plan costs less. |
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bunnies (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Answer my question. How does Hillarys plan cover those who dont take a paycheck? |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #44 |
98. it's a silly question as we already have a program for the super poor: Medicare. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
11. Tell us how it does not include you. |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
16. If you don't sign up for Hillary's plan, guess what |
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knixphan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
21. Neither Obama nor Hillary |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
26. Who said Obama's was Universal? |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
29. Not one of the candidate's plans are Universal. Wake up. |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #29 |
99. But one is closer than the other, yes? Go back to sleep. nt |
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Barack_America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
32. How much is Hillary going to MANDATE that you pay... |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
36. It includes you, but it is not mandatory, so it is not universal. |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #36 |
73. uhh.. people still foot the bill when they have emergencies and |
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cbayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #73 |
95. Actually, many do not. |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #95 |
107. I am sorry but I disagree with your assesment... |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #73 |
106. Maybe sometimes. |
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IndependentDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
80. i agree that Clinton's plan is better... |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #80 |
105. That's exactly the opposite of her reputation. |
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IndependentDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. yeah i have some of the same concerns you have regarding Obama... |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
38. Well, he purposely excluded you because he doesn't like you. |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
42. There is no big plan any candidate can really expect will go to action. |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. so I shouldn't consider it when choosing? What else should I exclude? the deficit? the war? nt |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Yes it has little to do with the president. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
48. What makes you ineligible for coverage or subsidies? |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. This is now the sixth time |
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mohc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
60. Here's the question you actually should be asking |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
67. I remember the good old days on DU, when virtually everyone |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
77. HRC's plan is better. Neither is very good. It doesn't matter. |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
83. It's not universal, but it's a damn sight better than McCain's plan. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. No, its as bad or worse |
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Stop Cornyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 02:05 AM Response to Reply #86 |
111. Either you have never read McCain's plan or you were dropped on your head as a wee infant |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
84. Its not. nt |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
85. Its not universal and it will be an expensive failure |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
94. Since neither plan has a chance of passing, I don't really get caught up in the details |
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JoFerret (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-04-08 09:28 PM Response to Original message |
108. Face it - Obama's plan still |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:09 AM Response to Original message |
112. Both plans are pretty poor.really. All a mandate does is ensure insurers a steady income. |
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DerekJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-05-08 05:39 AM Response to Original message |
113. Remember 1994. |
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