"She’s a Pennsylvanian who cares about American values and Pennsylvania values.”

[bigtree]

HARRISBURG, Pennsylvania (CNN) – Despite the spitting rain and the chilly weather, Hillary Clinton lingered in a parking lot in Pennsylvania Monday before a campaign event to speak to a group of about two dozen truckers who had gathered to protest the effect of rising gas prices on their industry.

Clinton was set to host an afternoon economic roundtable at the Capital Diner here, but when Clinton’s campaign plane landed in Harrisburg, her campaign learned from her advance staff about the small but vocal demonstration being held at the diner.

The New York senator hustled out of her motorcade of SUVs on arriving to chat for several minutes with the truckers, who voiced concerns about fuel costs. As passing big rigs honked, some truckers told Clinton they were being blamed by retailers for the rising costs of trucking, a problem they said was owed to high gas prices.



Clinton listened intently and then spoke about the need for the next president to focus on working families and alternative energies. She also promised to combat price gouging and examine the possibility of regulating oil markets.

Two of the truck drivers, named Mark and J.B., were invited to join her economic roundtable inside the diner, where Clinton praised them for voicing their discontent.

“I want to thank Mark and J.B. because they are doing what Americans do,” Clinton said, concluding the roundtable. “When you finally get pushed to the end of the rope you have to stand up and say enough. And that’s what this election should be about.”




During her roundtable discussion with local workers, Mrs. Clinton reviewed her raft of economic proposals, while criticizing President Bush and presumptive Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain for theirs.

Going over previously announced proposals, Mrs. Clinton pledged: tax credits for those taking care of elderly parents; a retirement savings plan; a college tax credit and changes to the health care system. To pay for the initiatives, she said she would close Bush administration tax cuts for businesses and the wealthy.

"This administration can't stop giving tax cuts to the privileged few. That's their constituency, that's who they take care of," she said during her hour-long talk.

Of Mr. McCain's economic policies, she said, "The best I could determine, his plan would be to not have a plan. If he got the 3 a.m. call on the economy, he would just let the phone ring and ring and ring." That remark elicited laughter from the 50-odd people packed into the Capitol Diner.




Sen. Hillary Clinton racheted up her plan for a middle-class tax cut Monday, calling for $100 billion in tax relief. (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/03/31/clinton-calls-for-middle-class-tax-cut/?mod=WSJBlog)

Speaking at the Capital Diner, Clinton said that a typical family making $50,000 would receive under her plan a tax cut of up to $1,000 and a $3,500 tax credit to help pay for college. “George Bush’s economic ideology is bankrupt — and it’s bankrupting America. And John McCain is promising four more years of tax cuts for billionaires and tax breaks for special interests,” Clinton said.

The New York senator’s stepped-up effort comes as the campaign stretches into hard-hit Pennsylvania ahead of its April 22 primary. Clinton’s plan comes after her Democratic rival, Sen. Barack Obama, on Friday called reiterated his plan to give middle-class families up to $1,000 in tax credits. Both candidates have said they would let the Bush administration’s tax cuts for higher-income Americans expire.

“I’ll end $55 billion in tax cuts and corporate loopholes and put that money in your pockets,” Clinton told the panel of working Pennsylvanians gathered Monday.




Clinton called for tighter regulation of financial institutions, mortgage bankers, credit-card companies and rating agencies as part of a plan to address the sagging U.S. economy.

The government should impose minimum capital requirements on financial institutions that deal with collateralized debt obligations, credit default swaps and other ``new, exotic financial products,'' Clinton said today in a statement. She said institutions that borrow from the Federal Reserve ought to be subject to the same government rules as traditional banks.

Her new plan calls for a 30 percent interest-rate cap on credit cards, additional steps by the SEC to ensure the independence of rating agencies and the establishment of minimum standards for mortgage originators. She also repeated her call for the government to provide states with an additional $30 billion this year to help stem housing foreclosures.

``Ensuring effective functioning of our financial markets is not solely an issue of how we rearrange the chairs that regulators sit in or who the regulators report to,'' the Clinton campaign said in a statement. ``It's also about what the regulators are mandated to do.''



Clinton said that the Bush Administration’s plan to help regulate the financial markets “comes late and falls short.” Clinton went on to say that “no amount of rearranging the deck chairs can hide the fact that our housing and credit markets are in crisis.”

Sitting at the table was Harrisburg mayor Stephen Reed, a Clinton supporter. Reed sat quietly throughout most of the event, but was quite vocal at defending Clinton’s candidacy as the event was winding up.

“Senator Clinton didn’t just show up on our doorstep in 2008 and said ‘I’d like to be president because I think it’d be a neat thing.’ She’s been busy working for us for years and years and years and frankly, I’m getting a little tired of people who try not to give her credit for that,” said Reed.

Reed added, “Senator Clinton has been working for us and it didn’t start when she became a candidate for president. It didn’t even start when she became a candidate for the United States Senate in our neighboring state. She’s a Pennsylvanian who cares about American values and Pennsylvania values.”



Sen. Clinton campaigns at the Keystone Industrial Port Complex in Fairless Hills, Pa., Monday, March 31, 2008.


Hillary Clinton Outlines Tax Cuts For Pennsylvania Families On Fourth Day of Economic Tour- 3/31
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6839

Senator Clinton Calls for Immediate Action to Strengthen Financial Market Regulation and Help Keep Families in Their Homes- 3/31
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6830

Hillary Clinton Reacts to Regulation Announcements Today from the Bush Administration- 3/31
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6841

Hillary Clinton Statement on Resignation of Secretary Alphonso Jackson
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6836

[Yael]

1. What? She is claiming PA as her 4th "home" state?

Please tell me I misunderstood that.

[bigtree]

2. do some research

save the hystronics

[JackORoses]

83. she was born in Chicago

not Scranton
do some research

[bigtree]

86. It's meant as a gesture from the mayor of Harrisburg, recognizing her family history in the state

some research . . .


Clinton's father, Hugh Rodham, grew up here before moving his family to Illinois, where she was born and raised. Rodham is buried in Scranton.


"It's definitely a moment of pride," said Mary Stoko, past president of the Lake Winola Cottagers' Association, who lives year-round in her lakeside home. "She is a part of us - that's the way I believe most people think of it."



Clinton's family still owns the yellow, wood-sided cottage on a hill overlooking the lake. Her brothers, Hugh and Tony Rodham, visit each summer, locals say, whacking golf balls on the nearby course and turning up in the local eateries.

And it was in a series of letters written at the cottage in the summer of 1967 that Clinton - reared by a staunch Republican father - first began referring to the GOP as "they," not "we."

Even in prosperity, Hugh Rodham clung to his hardscrabble past, a part of which was the cottage, originally built with no heat or inside plumbing. Each August, he piled the family before dawn into the family Lincoln - "the barge," according to Clinton - and set off for another two weeks at Lake Winola.

In his new biography of Hillary Clinton, Carl Bernstein writes that Rodham "meant the vacation to connect his children to a past not as privileged as the one they knew in Park Ridge, as well as to maintain a strong sense of family."

On one trip, Rodham insisted the family visit a coal mine. "Whatever her discomfort with such gestures at the time," Bernstein writes, "Hillary's later political identification with working-class values and the struggles of average wage-earners was not something acquired at Wellesley or Yale as part of a 1960s countercultural ethos."

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20080308_LAKE_WINOLA__Pa__-_Ice_still_covers_the_lake__Shades_NO_HEAD_SPECIFIED.html



When asked what it would mean for the region if Clinton were elected president, she replied, "I think it would mean you would have a friend and real partner in the White House. Someone who has a great deal of affection for the people here and knows how hard people have struggled the last 50 years."

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19376067&BRD=2259&PAG=461&dept_id=618523&rfi=6

[Yael]

90. I have family history in New York, but was born in Philadelphia

Does that make me "a New Yorker"?

[bigtree]

93. In the opinion of some New Yorker? I'm sure you could find one.

I accept and respect the mayor's opinion. I believe Hillary Clinton's and her family's history in the state is well-documented and not inconsequential. Obviously you disagree.

You sound lonely.

[Yael]

97. !!

:spray:

Nice personal attack.

[bigtree]

100. I think you need a hug.

aww, here you go :hug:

[Yael]

101. Thanks!

[hendo]

110. a helluva lot more so than HRC n/t

[Kittycat]

5. Well - that one is only a S-T-R-E-T-C-H of the truth.

Her grandparents are from there I think. She spent summers there playing with grandpa and his guns... That's probably where she got her sniper knowledge.

[ekwhite]

153. Let's stop with the 'Hillary is a liar' meme

We can also just drop the 'snipergate' thing. Let's talk about the issues instead of trying to crap on a positive thread about Clinton.

[littlebit]

6. Her father

was from PA. She use to spend every summer there. Her family still owns a home there.

[Barack_America]

11. Is she also going to claim citizenship of those "80 countries" she's supposedly traveled to?

:shrug:

[bigtree]

18. Are you aware that this isn't her quote? You folks are unbelievably rude.

This is a Pennsylvanian who is aware of her family history in Pa. who is declaring this.

[Yael]

19. Through April 22nd. Then she will discover and promote her Indiana roots...

[bigtree]

39. go play somewhere else

[ekwhite]

154. Alright, you need to calm down on this one, OK?

Bigtree was kind enough to post something positive about Obama just recently. How about letting him post something positive about Senator Clinton without crapping in his cornflakes.

[Barack_America]

71. Was she not present? Did she correct this statement?

If not, then she either agrees with it or is more than happy to use it for political gain.

Thus, the criticism in this thread is warranted.

[jgraz]

55. Actually, she's only claiming citizenship in the countries where she came under sniper fire

So only 65 or so...

[Medusa]

156. I wish she would. Let her go run for president in one of those countries

:evilgrin:

[grantcart]

25. Pennsylvania Ties Could Help Clinton

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/us/politics/10scranton.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1207009518-uc1ZpPAtpEYsc0Hx1ki+OA

When Mrs. Clinton comes to Pennsylvania on Monday, her first visit to the state after winning Ohio and Texas last week, her first stop will be Scranton, where her familial ties extend deeper than they do in Park Ridge, Ill., the Chicago suburb where she grew up. Look for the image shapers to link the values of this gritty region — where her grandfather, descended from Welsh coal miners, raised his family — to her character and especially her perseverance.

Mrs. Clinton’s brothers, Hugh and Tony, return often to their grandfather’s lake cabin (with Tony becoming involved in a skirmish a few years ago that drew local headlines). A few days ago, Hugh Rodham held a reception here for Clinton volunteers.

Mrs. Clinton’s great-grandparents came to Scranton in the 1880s in steerage from Wales. Her grandfather, Hugh S. Rodham, began work as a boy at the Scranton Lace Company, once the world’s largest producer of Nottingham lace, now a shuttered hulking behemoth, on track to be redeveloped as an arts space and apartments. Mr. Rodham and his wife, Hannah, raised three boys here, including Hillary’s father, Hugh E. Rodham, who went to Penn State University, where he played football (and made bathtub gin, according to his daughter).

“The Scranton of my father’s youth was a rough industrial city of brick factories, textile mills, coal mines, rail yards and wooden duplex houses,” Mrs. Clinton wrote in her memoir, “Living History.”

Mrs. Clinton’s father died in 1993 in Little Rock. His family brought him back for a final service at the Court Street church, and buried him in the Rodham plot at Washburn Street Cemetery. The Rodhams reconvened in May at the same church for the baptism of Tony Rodham’s daughter. The gown was retrieved from the Smithsonian for the ceremony.


It is actually her 5th home 'state'

she got creamed in two of them.

[Yael]

30. "She" is not a Pennsylvanian, no matter how much crap her surrogates and shills sling

and it is offensive.

I have family ties to New York going back decades. Does that make me a "New Yorker" or only something I can pull out of my ass for political expediency?

[bigtree]

40. You are offended easily. This was the comment of the Harrisburg mayor. Get over it.

[grantcart]

47. What you and I think is immaterial. To some of the people in PA she is

a local girl.
Some of them will vote for her because of it.

[dogday]

65. This is crap....

Read it before posting.. It only show ignorance when you don't, and answer incorrectly...

[rodeodance]

134. Your complete disregard to the intent of the PA voter is offensive.

[elixir]

78. Pretty rich coming from the supporter of the candidate with more intercontinental

connections than Delta. Kenya, Hawaii, Illinois, New York, Connecticut... it's hard to keep track of them all.

[MyNameGoesHere]

152. And the limits of the Obama supporters

capacity to unite, understand, and comprehend shall forever leave one scratching their heads.

[OhioChick]

3. Wonder How She'll Help These Folks?

Wheeling-Pitt will close Pa. mill, idle parts of Ohio operation

Mar 31, 7:10 PM EDT
By VICKI SMITH
Associated Press Writer

MORGANTOWN, W.Va. (AP) -- Wheeling-Pittsburgh Steel Corp. will shut down its mill in Allenport, Pa., and idle some operations in Martins Ferry, Ohio - moves the United Steelworkers said late Monday will affect about 360 employees.

Wheeling-Pitt, a subsidiary of Illinois-based Esmark Inc., has hinted at layoffs as part of its restructuring since last fall. Members of the United Steelworkers were issued notice Monday under the federal Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act.

Wheeling-Pitt's brief news release said it will idle two of the three galvanizing lines at its processing plant in Martins Ferry, Ohio. It did not provide a time line or any other details.

Neither CEO James Bouchard nor his brother, President Craig Bouchard, immediately responded to telephone and e-mail messages late Monday.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/W/WV_WHEELING_PITT_SHUTDOWN_OHOL-?SITE=WCMHTV&SECTION=US

[noel711]

4. "She's a Pennsylvanian..." WTF?

Because she took a vacation in Pennsylvania?

She better decide who she is... is she Pennsylvanian?
Or Arkansan? Or Illinoisian? Or New Yorker?
Pick one!

Does that make me a NewYorker/NewJersyite/Canadian?

From a REAL Pennsylvanian..
I LIVE here, I WORK here, I PAY TAXES here,

and dammit, I VOTE here!

[donheld]

92. She landed on Pennsylvania Avenue while playing Monopoly so

now she feels like it's home. :D

[NC_Nurse]

7. Hello Pennsylvania!!! Are YOU ready to RAWK!!!

:eyes:

[TheDonkey]

17. According to this Hillary has already left the band :puke:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=IA8Wy51Ionk

[Justitia]

8. She's a Pennsylvanian??? Another lie. -eom

[Yael]

10. I can't wait to share this one at work tomorrow.

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

123. Another one with a reading comprehension problem.

[SammyWinstonJack]

141. Obama DU fans seem too have that problem, frequently.

[bigtree]

13. amazing. This isn't her quote. It's a Pennsylvanian declaring this who knows her history.

Do you?

[Justitia]

21. Yup, because I'm REALLY a Pennsylvanian. I spent every summer at the NJ shore, does that make me a

NJer????

What a ridiculous claim - the latest in a looooong line of ridiculous claims.

[bigtree]

42. you're pretty loose with the facts yourself. She did not claim this.

[ekwhite]

159. Yes, and she has a legitimate claim to PA if her father came from Scranton

I still consider myself a North Carolinian even though I live in California. I was born there, grew up there, and my father was born there. The mayor of Harrisburg may have been stretching a bit, because she didn't actually live in PA, but so what? This is such a minor thing to be arguing about.

By the way, bigtree - some of us appreciate positive posts. Thanks.

[Toucano]

26. In retrospect, you probably could have selected a better subject line.

It does tend to make people think she's claiming PA is her home.

No biggie, though.

[bigtree]

What the hell? Are you folks really this thin-skinned??

People here need to get over themselves. This was a nice statement from someone who believes she represents the state's interests and has the state's interests at heart because of her family's associations with the state. That's nowhere near wrong. I think the comments here about the tilte are mean-spirited and opportunistic. The title stands.

[Yael]

49. It isn't a "nice statement". Keeping with her campaign theme, it is another LIE.

Devised to deceive people.

She is no more from PA than I am from Oregon.

[bigtree]

51. How can you be so bitter as to come on her and disrupt this thread. Stop it.

you made your feeble point.

[Yael]

53. I am tired of the lies, con games and other sundry misleading of the sheeple.

[bigtree]

61. then go and make a post about it. Your complaints on this one are played out

and boring.

[rodeodance]

127. Its rude to disrupt a beatiful postive post about a candidate.

[MediaBabe]

73. Why do you hate Oregon?

[Yael]

74. I don't.

Just a random pick.

[Toucano]

64. No, no, no. I've been misunderstood.

I got that. I just think by choosing that one sentence for your subject line, it kind of led others to assume it was her claim.

I noticed you were having to defend it up thread and thought it might not have been necessary if that wasn't the subject line.

Yes, it was a thing for the mayor to say, and it looks like a positive campaign event for Sen. Clinton.

[rodeodance]

122. You have a reading comprehension problem--Try reading the OP again--you

might get it right next time---hopefully you will stop spreading lies.

"She's a Pennsylvanian??? Another lie. -eom
Posted by Justitia"





.......Clinton said that the Bush Administration’s plan to help regulate the financial markets “comes late and falls short.” Clinton went on to say that “no amount of rearranging the deck chairs can hide the fact that our housing and credit markets are in crisis.”

Sitting at the table was Harrisburg mayor Stephen Reed, a Clinton supporter. Reed sat quietly throughout most of the event, but was quite vocal at defending Clinton’s candidacy as the event was winding up.

“Senator Clinton didn’t just show up on our doorstep in 2008 and said ‘I’d like to be president because I think it’d be a neat thing.’ She’s been busy working for us for years and years and years and frankly, I’m getting a little tired of people who try not to give her credit for that,” said Reed.

Reed added, “Senator Clinton has been working for us and it didn’t start when she became a candidate for president. It didn’t even start when she became a candidate for the United States Senate in our neighboring state. She’s a Pennsylvanian who cares about American values and Pennsylvania values.”

[zulchzulu]

9. Did she duck her head and escape that sniper fire again?

Those photos of the restaurant "packed with 50 people" looked like they needed more coffee...

:rofl:

[Yael]

23. Duck or bump?

[emilyg]

75. Stop it.

Start your own pissin' thread.

[rodeodance]

121. Rovian tactic of changing the subject.

Did she duck her head and escape that sniper fire again?

Those photos of the restaurant "packed with 50 people" looked like they needed more coffee

[JVS]

12. What a shameless carpetbagger

[writes3000]

14. Obama peeps, how about allowing a nice Hillary post remain NICE?

If you want to disagree about her home state, maybe there's another place to complain, accuse, ridicule?

Bigtree deserves some credit for being a fair poster. How about we return the favor?

[Yael]

16. I live here and pay taxes here and I resent the entire premiss of this thing

If people (ANY people) keep the smarmy half-truths and made up lies off the board, I will not post rebuttals to the threads.

What a fucking insult to the intelligence of every resident of this state (not that our Governor thinks any higher of us).

[writes3000]

22. I'm not arguing the facts. But are these her words?

Probably not.

The rush to slam her is intense. And I feel badly for the OP who was actually trying to share info on HC's campaign stop. It wasn't an effort to trick us.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

28. She is NOT a Pennsylvanian.

(Edit: I see now that it wasn't Clinton claiming this, so my apologies for not realizing that and understanding it. I'll leave the remainder of my post as it was, sans edits...)

And you can rest assured that if Obama was calling himself one I'd be calling that bullshit, too. Hell, I'm not even a *proud* Pennsylvanian. I left the goddamn place as soon as I possibly could. But I still resent people claiming to be something that they aren't. Especially when by claiming it they're trying to invoke a sense of place and purpose and community that has long vanished from those lands, without so much as a sideways glance from the Washington power structure or anyone else in the position to give a damn. Pandering is what I call it.

[writes3000]

31. But she didn't say it. Agree? n/t

[Yael]

34. Did she correct them?

Didn't think so....

[bigtree]

38. was John kennedy a Berliner??

[Yael]

44. Was he running for election in Germany?

[writes3000]

45. I understand this is a hot-button issue for you.

I just don't see this one instance as a nefarious plot on Clinton's part.

Does Hillary want PAers to think of her as one of them? Absolutely. Is she willing to trump up her family's connection to the state? Indeed. Does she need to do everything she can to win? Yep.

I'm saving my outcries for the big stuff but I get why this annoys you.

[Yael]

50. I am sick of her lying for political expediency hoping no one will check the record

I couldn't stand it when JRE was pointing it out WEEKLY and I won't stand for it now.

I don't do con artists or liars.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

36. Agree.

Hence the edit at the top of my post. My apologies.

[dogday]

68. At least you took the time to read and understand

most did not and that just shows ignorance on their part... I commend you for your post...

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

15. If she's a Pennsylvanian I'm a motherfucking West Virginian.

Jesus H. Christ.

[bigtree]

37. I'm sure Harrisburg mayor Stephen Reed meant this in an honorary way. No need to be so rude.

Her father's home still stands a visiting spot there.

Clinton's father, Hugh Rodham, grew up here before moving his family to Illinois, where she was born and raised. Rodham is buried in Scranton.


"It's definitely a moment of pride," said Mary Stoko, past president of the Lake Winola Cottagers' Association, who lives year-round in her lakeside home. "She is a part of us - that's the way I believe most people think of it."

Clinton's family still owns the yellow, wood-sided cottage on a hill overlooking the lake. Her brothers, Hugh and Tony Rodham, visit each summer, locals say, whacking golf balls on the nearby course and turning up in the local eateries.

And it was in a series of letters written at the cottage in the summer of 1967 that Clinton - reared by a staunch Republican father - first began referring to the GOP as "they," not "we."

Even in prosperity, Hugh Rodham clung to his hardscrabble past, a part of which was the cottage, originally built with no heat or inside plumbing. Each August, he piled the family before dawn into the family Lincoln - "the barge," according to Clinton - and set off for another two weeks at Lake Winola.

In his new biography of Hillary Clinton, Carl Bernstein writes that Rodham "meant the vacation to connect his children to a past not as privileged as the one they knew in Park Ridge, as well as to maintain a strong sense of family."

On one trip, Rodham insisted the family visit a coal mine. "Whatever her discomfort with such gestures at the time," Bernstein writes, "Hillary's later political identification with working-class values and the struggles of average wage-earners was not something acquired at Wellesley or Yale as part of a 1960s countercultural ethos."
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20080308_LAKE_WINOLA__Pa__-_Ice_still_covers_the_lake__Shades_NO_HEAD_SPECIFIED.html




When asked what it would mean for the region if Clinton were elected president, she replied, "I think it would mean you would have a friend and real partner in the White House. Someone who has a great deal of affection for the people here and knows how hard people have struggled the last 50 years."
http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19376067&BRD=2259&PAG=461&dept_id=618523&rfi=6

[Yael]

48. And Fast Eddie said that PA residents were all too racist to vote for a black guy

Just because they have a title doesn't mean that the Hill Shills have any sense of decency and will stop short of LYING with and for her.

[rodeodance]

132. yours is a very Immature post--and disruptive.

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15. If she's a Pennsylvanian I'm a motherfucking West Virginian.

Jesus H. Christ.

[RichardRay]

20. Now, those are some hard-core looking blue collar guys!!

Good for Senator Clinton for doing that work.

[bigtree]

115. It's good that someone is there to listen to their concerns

and offer help, face to face.

[DJ13]

24. When a campaign starts cruising truck stops for votes its over

:)

[TheDonkey]

29. oh boy!

;)!!

[bigtree]

54. I'll bet it was important to the folks she sat down and listened to.

It's important to me.

[rodeodance]

131. Demeaning voters is Rude!! BO campained in bowling alleys--not a problem

[LisaM]

27. Good grief! She has roots there, and she didn't call herself that.

More to the point, what I like about her is her work ethic. I like that she found out about the truckers, went and talked to them, listened, and continued on with the conversation by inviting them to the meeting.

Oh, and it didn't bother me when people from Hawaii were glad to claim the Senator from Illinois as a native to the Aloha state. Many people in this country have ties to more than one state.

[Yael]

32. Other than the fact that he was born and raised there and went to Illinois after college

But whatever. If Hillarity wants to call this her 5th home state, we here IN the state will make sure that everyone in ear shot knows she is lying her ass off in pandering for votes.

Can't run on her own merits, that one. Always having to make up one bullshit story after another.

[LisaM]

41. I have no problem with his claiming roots in both states.

I think it's fine. I think the more places someone can identify with the better.

[bigtree]

114. I like the way she stood and listened to the truckers, as well

I like the way she was there, up close and personal, for that

[KAZ]

33. Good post Big. The "30 percent interest-rate cap" floors me.

Guess I'm old.

Some good pics too! K&R

[bigtree]

111. right. Obama thought it was too high, but I think she's trying to move what the consensus is

and she promises to move toward lower caps in her plan after immediately instituting the 30% cap that has majority support right now.


According to a Government Accountability Office survey of 28 credit cards issued by the nation's leading banks, up to a quarter of them charged penalty rates over 30 percent. And African Americans, Hispanics, single women, and low-income families are most likely to be saddled with high interest rates. To rein in already extreme rates - and to ensure that rates climb no higher - Hillary's plan will immediately impose a national annual interest rate cap of 30 percent on all credit cards. Such a cap would cover not just the stated credit card interest rate, but the effective rate. She will then direct the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency to make recommendations on a lower interest rate cap linked to a standard benchmark, plus a margin to provide for a reasonable profit. This cap would not preempt lower state law caps.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa5276/is_20080215/ai_n24310804

[dancingme]

35. Hillary's mother must have had a VERY long labor

to give birth in 4 states. :wow:

[AnnieBW]

43. Before I call HRC a Pennsylvanian

I want to see her dance the polka!

[JeffR]

46. Consistently, bigtree, you keep things positive in the swamp that is GD: Primaries

Thank you for it.

[bigtree]

52. :gurgle: coming up for air . . .

tanks!

[joshcryer]

57. I can't believe bigtree is getting flamed for something someone else said, calling it a lie.

It's astounding beyond belief.

[Yael]

60. He chose that title.

And yes, it is inflammatory after all of the other lies being bandied about the last 2 weeks.

[JeffR]

63. As writes3000 suggested upthread, maybe a little less negativity

would go a long way. I'm not holding my breath, of course...

[ecstatic]

56. She didn't slam Obama. She focused on issues. I'm impressed

If only she had kept things classy like this the whole time, I'm almost positive she'd be the nominee right now or at least have high positive ratings.

[rodeodance]

150. I have listened to lots of BO speechs--he slams Hillary constantly

[NJSecularist]

58. Now she's from Pennsylvania?

First she was from New York when it was politically beneficial. Then she was from Illinois. Then she was from South Texas when it is politically beneficial. Now she is from Pennsylvania.

Where are you from, Hillary? :crazy:

[Yael]

59. She is "from" where ever it is politically expedient at the moment to be "from".

[rodeodance]

124. Take your snark up the PA person who proudly said it. Read the OP

[AX10]

62. K/R!

[Barack_America]

66. That's it, I'm running for President.

Based on Hillary's definition of what it takes to be a state "native", I am a(n):

Michigander, Pennsylvanian, Floridian, Illini, North Carolinian and Wisconsinite.

Just look at all of those beautiful swing-states I am "from".

*With Hillary's definition being someplace that you either grew up in, have lived for a short-time, or have family in and you spent at least a portion of your summers at.

[StevieM]

67. Obama has claimed Illinois, Hawaii and Kansas as his homes. This is the silliest attack yet (eom)

[Erin Elizabeth]

69. Is that sort of like how Bush is a Texan?

I kept re-reading the article, trying to find where she actually addressed the concerns of the truckers and could only find this:

"Clinton...spoke about the need for the next president to focus on working families and alternative energies. She also promised to combat price gouging and examine the possibility of regulating oil markets."


How would she combat price gouging? How would she regulate oil markets? How would she bring "alternative energies" into the picture?

This trucker boycott is gaining steam. I'm hearing about it all over. If they really do stop driving, it's going to hurt all of us.

[rodeodance]

151. That comment came from a voter. Stop slaming the voters.

[Autumn]

70. Nice article bigtree

sorry you are getting trashed over it.I always enjoy reading your posts.

[bigtree]

72. thanks for looking in

The pics really give you a feel of where the campaign actually is, as opposed to what the regular press dishes out and tries to make you believe what's happening on the trail. And the local accounts are always illuminating and engaging.

[The River]

76. To Be Fair

Hillary did not say it. It's down near the last paragraph where it attributes
the quote to Harrisburg mayor Stephen Reed.

Bigtree, you should have made that clear in the first line of text.

As in: " She's a Pennsylvanian..." according to Harrisburg mayor Stephen Reed.
Careless mistake, Freudian slip or deliberately provocative? You decide.

I'll give you props for being a civil Hillerite (clue: you aren't on ignore)and
you do work hard for your candidate of choice, BUT you aren't changing any
minds here. If you really want her to win you should be out knocking on doors,
not in here knocking your head again a wall.

Obama has already "won" DU.

[bigtree]

77. Obama has my state wrapped up in this primary

and, you can see how hard it is to insinuate yourself in another state's.

Why does this forum have to be a zero-sum enterprise? I really don't come here to campaign as much as I come to communicate and learn.

And, the title? I can't account for the insecure reactions of supporters, and I certainly won't shrink away from something so innocuous as the title just because some here might react badly.

[Yael]

79. How is that inflammatory (and untrue) thread title working out?

It was a good report. Too bad it had to start out on the National Enquirer footing.

[bigtree]

80. The title stands. I agree with the Mayor.

I have my own affinity with Pennsylvania. My father grew up in Reading. We bought out his sisters house up past the pagoda with a large pond. I spent many summers there.

I enrolled my son in an art school a few years ago in Lancaster and got him a flat down the street. I've spent a lifetime in Pa. And, even though I've never been a resident, I feel the same affinity for the state that Hillary Clinton has expressed. I agree with the mayor.

[Yael]

82. And while I have a great affinity for Maryland, I am not a Marylander

But I can appreciate how words don't mean much as long as they skirt the truth to get Hillary what she wants, right?

[bigtree]

88. Yet, I might consider you one. You are obviously not as hospitable as Marylanders

I've never heard such negativity about folks who would identify with our state. Many of our government officials in Washington maintain dual residences or rent here and are good citizens. I'm more than happy to associate them with our great state.

[Yael]

91. Identify with, empathize with, care about, understand -- all those I get

Drop "native daughter" and we have a winner.

It is that bottom line of HRC staying on the outter fringes of truth 24/7 that is tripping my switch -- not feelings about any particular state.

Her lies light up like a Christmas tree in July these days as they are more plentiful than the truth.

[bigtree]

103. folks have every right to identify her with that state if they please

as much right as you have to disagree. And, I happen to agree with the mayor.

[The River]

81. It's Bad Form

to separate the quote from the attribution.
You took damn near the entire OP to mention it.
You typed it, you own it.
You see what it got you.
And no, I don't think you come to learn.
You're being disingenuous. You come to do battle
with the Obamatrons. You're what Howard Rheingold
and the "Brainstormers" on the Well would call an
"Energy Monster". You just waste others posters time and energy.

Enough

[bigtree]

85. I don't think it's a big deal. It's clearly not a first person quote: "She's"

And, I think the complaints about the association of Hillary Clinton with Pennsylvania on this thread are ridiculous and hysterical.

And the assertion that I'm in control over the absurdity of the poster's interpretations here is the height of absurdity.

Now you've made the decision that this thread, which attacked no one, threatened no one, did not even mention the rival, is somehow meant as some 'battle with the Obamatrons', you are lost in a romance with the very dishonesty and inanity you pretend to decry.

[anonymous171]

84. I appreciate the post but that "american values" comment really gets me really angry.

"She’s a Pennsylvanian who cares about American values and Pennsylvania values.”-Reed. Seems like a new strategy to play on xenophobia and racism.

[bigtree]

87. It's just a comment from the mayor. There's no evidence that his patriotism is xenophobic.

Or, that this is some 'racist strategy'

[Yael]

89. He is just following the Governor's lead

The gentleman who said this state was too racist to vote for a black man.

[bigtree]

94. won't the Obama kids play with you?

[cottonseed]

95. Why do the people in all these photos look so down?

nt

[bigtree]

102. They're there to discuss their problems and concerns.

These folks look happy . . .

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

96. Oh really? I lived there for 5 years, so I guess that makes me a Pennsylvanian, too!

I don't think she ever lived there, did she? How deluded are her supporters, anyway? Has everyone imbibed the Kool-Aid?

[bigtree]

98. *sigh*

man, do I try.

[meow mix]

99. Wow Hillary is from everywhere!!!!1!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Yael]

104. Yes, Senator Gump is the real deal.

[ekwhite]

157. Just like every other presidential candidate

Come on people - this was a positive post. You know, something we are always asking Clinton supporters to post? Besides which, she didn't make the claim, the mayor of Harrisburg did. There are plenty of real, substantive issues to criticize Senator Clinton about. Or would you rather start a food fight because it is more fun?

[hfojvt]

105. that's quite dishonest and yes, Bush-like

"Speaking at the Capital Diner, Clinton said that a typical family making $50,000 would receive under her plan a tax cut of up to $1,000 and a $3,500 tax credit to help pay for college."


First, over half of all American households make less than $50,000 a year. Second, a family of four making $50,000 only pays $1,069 in taxes under current law. Kinda hard for them to get a $4,500 tax cut. Also, under current law, if they maximize their IRA contribution, their income tax bill would be zero. So those tax credits are gonna be going to families making $60,000 and up.

[bigtree]

106. So much of the Obama attack is based on the dishonesty angle.

Glass Houses.


Here’s a snapshot of the details included in Mr. Obama’s plan:

* Providing a universal homeowner’s tax credit to those who do not itemize their deductions. This would benefit 10 million homeowners, most of whom make less than $50,000 per year.

* Eliminating income tax for any senior citizen who earns less than $50,000 per year, which aides say is about 7 million American seniors.

* Simplifying tax filings so millions of Americans can do their taxes in less than 5 minutes.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/-/HQpress/Fact%20Sheet%20Tax%20Fairness%20Speech%20091707%20FINAL%20IH.pdf

[hfojvt]

116. What is dishonest about that?

And how is it a defense of Hillary to say "Obama is just as bad".

Further, unlike Hillary's credits, Obama's are targeted at people with incomes of less than $50,000, whereas, as I have demonstrated, hers are targeted at households making more than $50,000. Also, since the credit mentioned is "refundable" that means it even helps lower income households who currently pay no income taxes.

[bigtree]

117. didn't you say something or the other is dishonest and Bush-like?

And, it makes perfect sense to point out where Obama's plan resembles the elements criticized in Clinton's.

Couldn't you make your argument without trying to cast someone or something as dishonest? I just don't see that.

[bigtree]

118. her tax plan, since you are content to cherry-pick your objections

I don't think you're accurate in claiming that above $50,000 gets the most benefit from her plan. There are provisions to help more thn what she's identified as middle class.

Hillary Clinton’s Plan:

A typical family making $50,000 with a child in college would receive at least $4,500 in tax benefits

* A matching tax cut of up to $1,000 to help save and build wealth.

* A $3,500 tax credit to help pay for college costs.

* A generous tax cut to make health care affordable.

A family caring for an elderly parent or disabled child would receive at least $4000 in tax benefits

* A $3,000 tax credit to help cover the costs of caregiving.


* A matching tax cut of up to $1,000 to help save and build wealth.

A working family looking to move up into the middle class could receive $5000

* An expanded Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) totaling more than $5000.

* A generous increase in the minimum wage, to $9.50 by 2011, and indexed to congressional salaries afterwards.

Details of Hillary Clinton’s Middle Class Tax Agenda

* Matching Tax Cuts to Help Middle Class and Working Families Save: Hillary’s plan will provide a matching refundable tax credit "dollar-for-dollar" for the first $1,000 of savings done by every married couple making up to $60,000. The plan will provide a 50% match on the first $1000 of savings for every couple making between $60,000 and $100,000, which will be phased out after that. Hillary’s plan would provide 3.4 million Pennsylvania households with new matching tax cuts to save.

* ·A New $3,500 College Tax Credit. Hillary is proposing to more than double the HOPE tax credit, raising the maximum amount of benefits that students and their families can receive from $1,650 to $3,500. This new credit will cover more than 50% of the typical cost of public colleges and universities and more than the full cost of tuition for community colleges. Taxpayers will be able to claim 100% of the first $1,000 of college expenses and 50% of the next $5,000 under this new credit. This new credit will also be partially refundable in order to increase its value to low-income individuals. It will phase out in a manner similar to the current HOPE credit and will also be "advanceable" to allow families to receive the tax credit when their tuition bills are due instead of 16 months later. Hillary’s college tax credit would provide a tax credit of up to $3,500 to many of the more than 680,000 students in Pennsylvania.

* A New $3000 Caregiving Tax Credit: As many as 52 million Americans are informal, un-paid caregivers. And according to a new study by the National Alliance of Caregiving, the average out-of-pocket costs for long-term caregiving, usually by a spouse or a child, is $5,531 - more than double previous estimates. To ease this financial burden, Hillary is proposing a new $3000 Caregiving Tax Credit, which will be available to any person with substantial long-term care needs or to their caregivers (the credit would be phased out for couples earning more than $150,000). The credit will not require a complex accounting of out-of-pocket costs, but instead would be available directly to any individuals with substantial long-term care needs or their caregivers. Hillary’s new $3000 Caregivers Tax Credit will benefit at least 200,000 Pennsylvania seniors, people with disabilities and their families.

* Healthcare Tax Credits to Make Healthcare Affordable for All Americans: Hillary’s American Health Choices plan will provide generous tax credits to ensure that healthcare is affordable for all Americans. The credits will be designed to ensure that no family ever pays more than a reasonable percentage of their income on healthcare. Hillary’s plan will provide quality affordable healthcare to 1.2 million uninsured Pennsylvanians and will lower healthcare costs for the millions of Pennsylvania families with healthcare as well.

* Expanded Earned Income Tax Credit for Families and Single Workers. The EITC is widely seen as the most effective anti-poverty program in the U.S. today. Yet because the EITC offers the same size credit for all families with two or more children, it does not do enough to reduce poverty among larger families. The poverty rate for families with more than three children is 26% - more than double the poverty rate for families with one or two children. Hillary will create a third tier in the EITC for families with three or more children to help lift the children living in larger families out of poverty. This will provide at least 3 million families with $1,000 in additional income. In addition, Hillary will triple the size of the EITC benefit for single workers, providing more than 4 million people a pro-work tax cut averaging $750.

* Extending Middle Class Tax Cuts. Hillary will extend the middle class tax cuts that are set to expire at the end of 2010, including the expanded Child Tax Credit, marriage penalty relief and the 10% income tax bracket.


http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=6839

[hfojvt]

129. Did you miss what I said?

Hillary never says that her credits are refundable (other than the EITC).
The only way that a household benefits from a $3,000 credit is if their taxes are more than $3,000. Since a family of four making $50,000 only pays $1,069 in taxes (and they could avoid that bill under current law by maxing a contribution to an IRA or 401K) they will not get more than $1,069 of those credits.

"A typical family making $50,000 with a child in college would receive at least $4,500 in tax benefits

* A matching tax cut of up to $1,000 to help save and build wealth.

* A $3,500 tax credit to help pay for college costs.

* A generous tax cut to make health care affordable."

Whether it is dishonest or not, it is just plain not true. A typical family of four making $50,000 will not get more than $1,069 in benefits. Ah, but a family making $70,000 or $80,000 will get the full value, just like they do with the child tax credit. So will families making $150,000.

As far as this:

"* Matching Tax Cuts to Help Middle Class and Working Families Save: Hillary’s plan will provide a matching refundable tax credit "dollar-for-dollar" for the first $1,000 of savings done by every married couple making up to $60,000. The plan will provide a 50% match on the first $1000 of savings for every couple making between $60,000 and $100,000, which will be phased out after that. Hillary’s plan would provide 3.4 million Pennsylvania households with new matching tax cuts to save."

That is not too much different than what is already available for lower income families on Form 8880. Except it is not refundable, or I would have gotten another $300 back. I notice she is making some of them refundable, when she wasn't originally. The problem also becomes one of practicality. Which family is more likely to have the resources to take advantage of that credit? The one making $25,000 or the one making $45,000?

[Taxmyth]

107. Positive candidate reinforcement

And you've even provided me with additional information on how Senator Obama's policies compare. Thank you, this is the information needed to make the right decision. Reading all the negative comments towards this posting is disheartening and could pose problems if we are all to be united in November.

[bigtree]

109. heh. for sure.

I really don't know how to be less threatening than this, other than to fold and start posting Obama threads exclusively for the rest of the primary race.

But, hey, thanks for looking in. I try and reserve at least one of my posts for a crossover thread. Hope you catch it.

[bigtree]

108. Any normal folks who just see a thread about Hillary Clinton in Pa. here?

[rodeodance]

125. Hi Bigtree. I think I am normal:-)---Thanks for the post.

[Beacool]

112. Thanks Bigtree for another nice article.

Pity that the fans of the "Great Uniter" are so hateful. Their mistake is assuming that if their guy becomes the nominee we will follow the sheep over the precipice and join the Kool-Aid gang.

Don't they realize that the more they offend her and us, the less likely we will be to vote for their vapid candidate??????

Whatever...........

[bigtree]

113. maybe not us (or me)

but, I can't imagine these petty attacks are very appealing displays for the undecided folks, presented here in this forum.

[rodeodance]

119. K & R

[bigtree]

120. hey

:pals:

[rodeodance]

128. You bet--back to yah.

[grantcart]

126. In this case I don't understand Obama's supporters objections

Here ties to PA were well known.

If a person is accepted from 'being from that area' it really is the only thing that matters.


Also by giving her the point it undermines her victory. Since she is from there she should get atleast 60% of the vote -

anything less would be a rejection of a 'favorite daughter'


I thought it was a very nice positive OP and I liked the pictures and the positive tone you used to promote your candidate.

[rodeodance]

130. Ha ha---she sure dished out a good snark on McCain

...



HARRISBURG, Pennsylvania (CNN) – Despite the spitting rain and the chilly weather, Hillary Clinton lingered in a parking lot in Pennsylvania Monday before a campaign event to speak to a group of about two dozen truckers who had gathered to protest the effect of rising gas prices on their industry.

Clinton was set to host an afternoon economic roundtable at the Capital Diner here, but when Clinton’s campaign plane landed in Harrisburg, her campaign learned from her advance staff about the small but vocal demonstration being held at the diner.

The New York senator hustled out of her motorcade of SUVs on arriving to chat for several minutes with the truckers, who voiced concerns about fuel costs. As passing big rigs honked, some truckers told Clinton they were being blamed by retailers for the rising costs of trucking, a problem they said was owed to high gas prices.



Clinton listened intently and then spoke about the need for the next president to focus on working families and alternative energies. She also promised to combat price gouging and examine the possibility of regulating oil markets.

Two of the truck drivers, named Mark and J.B., were invited to join her economic roundtable inside the diner, where Clinton praised them for voicing their discontent.

“I want to thank Mark and J.B. because they are doing what Americans do,” Clinton said, concluding the roundtable. “When you finally get pushed to the end of the rope you have to stand up and say enough. And that’s what this election should be about.”




During her roundtable discussion with local workers, Mrs. Clinton reviewed her raft of economic proposals, while criticizing President Bush and presumptive Republican presidential nominee Sen. John McCain for theirs.

Going over previously announced proposals, Mrs. Clinton pledged: tax credits for those taking care of elderly parents; a retirement savings plan; a college tax credit and changes to the health care system. To pay for the initiatives, she said she would close Bush administration tax cuts for businesses and the wealthy.

"This administration can't stop giving tax cuts to the privileged few. That's their constituency, that's who they take care of," she said during her hour-long talk.

Of Mr. McCain's economic policies, she said, "The best I could determine, his plan would be to not have a plan. If he got the 3 a.m. call on the economy, he would just let the phone ring and ring and ring." That remark elicited laughter from the 50-odd people packed into the Capitol Diner.

[LulaMay]

133. Thank you for the great pictures, and story.

[bigtree]

135. nice to see ya

:kick: :woohoo: :bounce:

[SeaLyons]

136. K&R

:kick:

[SoCalDem]

137. Geez.. She's "from" every place she ever touched?

Illinois?
Arkansas?
New York?
DC?
Pennsylvania?

What's next?
"Soy una mujer de Puerto Rico"?


:rofl:

[SoxFan]

138. Hey, my brother in law lives in Iowa...

Think I could be the frontrunner in the 2012 caucuses?

[SoCalDem]

139. I spent 8 years in Panama.. That makes me a Panamanian, I guess

:)

[bigtree]

142. you folks have got to do more than just read the title and your buddies attacks

The frickin mayor of Harrisburg declared that, not Clinton. Can you see where 'She's' is in parentheses? It's obviously not a first-person observation. And ANYONE has EVERY right to their opinion. This mayor obviously reflected on her history in Pa. and on her family's history in the state in making his gracious comment. I agree with him.

Her father's home still stands a visiting spot there.

Clinton's father, Hugh Rodham, grew up here before moving his family to Illinois, where she was born and raised. Rodham is buried in Scranton.


"It's definitely a moment of pride," said Mary Stoko, past president of the Lake Winola Cottagers' Association, who lives year-round in her lakeside home. "She is a part of us - that's the way I believe most people think of it."

Clinton's family still owns the yellow, wood-sided cottage on a hill overlooking the lake. Her brothers, Hugh and Tony Rodham, visit each summer, locals say, whacking golf balls on the nearby course and turning up in the local eateries.

And it was in a series of letters written at the cottage in the summer of 1967 that Clinton - reared by a staunch Republican father - first began referring to the GOP as "they," not "we."

Even in prosperity, Hugh Rodham clung to his hardscrabble past, a part of which was the cottage, originally built with no heat or inside plumbing. Each August, he piled the family before dawn into the family Lincoln - "the barge," according to Clinton - and set off for another two weeks at Lake Winola.

In his new biography of Hillary Clinton, Carl Bernstein writes that Rodham "meant the vacation to connect his children to a past not as privileged as the one they knew in Park Ridge, as well as to maintain a strong sense of family."

On one trip, Rodham insisted the family visit a coal mine. "Whatever her discomfort with such gestures at the time," Bernstein writes, "Hillary's later political identification with working-class values and the struggles of average wage-earners was not something acquired at Wellesley or Yale as part of a 1960s countercultural ethos."
http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20080308_LAKE_WINOLA__Pa__-_Ice_still_covers_the_lake__Shades_NO_HEAD_SPECIFIED.html




When asked what it would mean for the region if Clinton were elected president, she replied, "I think it would mean you would have a friend and real partner in the White House. Someone who has a great deal of affection for the people here and knows how hard people have struggled the last 50 years."

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=19376067&BRD=2259&PAG=461&dept_id=618523&rfi=6

[SoCalDem]

145. Oh.. I forgot about those "letters".. Did she write them by candlelight?

as she was dodging sniper fire?? Oh wait.. That was just the "whacky" brothers whacking golf balls at her :rofl:

How she's morphed into some Wonder-Woman who fills people with awe, is getting waaaaaay out there..

She was a middle class kid of the 50's, who got a fantastic education...who married a guy with potential..she pushed/supported him and it's paid off quite well for her..

She's a smart woman, with determination, but that does not ENTITLE her to the presidency...anymore than Obama's smarts & coordination skills (his campaign & career are pretty nifty too)..

I would LOVE to see a woman become president..just not HER.

I would like to see a woman become president WITHOUT being propped up by her HUSBAND's accomplishments..

There are plenty of women entrepreneurs, professors, politicians who truly did it on their own..THOSE are the kinds of women who could/should be president..

[bigtree]

147. you jumped onto this thread with your negativity and you were wrong

she did not claim that. The rest that you've posted here is a pathetic attempt to cover for that with your overblown ridicule. The entire effort on your part is pathetic and rude.

[zulchzulu]

140. I lived in Pennsylvania for six years and don't consider myself a "Pennsylvanian"

What exactly makes one an authentic "Pennsylvanian"? One who was born there... or maybe you lived there... or in Hillary's case, you live in a state next to there...

:shrug:

[madrchsod]

146. hmmmm....i have always traveled more to wisconsin

since the late 60`s than any other state, spent "billions" at the dells , my son lives in janesville,and i support uw sports teams. by using hillary`s logic i`m a fellow cheesehead!

dam i have dual citizenship!

:woohoo:

[bigtree]

149. I'm sure you could find SOMEONE in Wisconsin who will declare your affinity to that state

. . . like the mayor of Harrisburg did for Hillary . . . well, maybe you could.

[ekwhite]

160. I lived there for 9 years and considered myself one when I was there

I consider myself a Californian now, but my roots are in North Carolina. Just like some of Senator Clinton's roots are in Scranton. I will take any positive press for Scranton I can get. When I lived in Northeast PA, that was one depressed city.

[BigDDem]

143. Holy fuck

Did any of you people actually read the information?
I don't care who you support, it's pretty impressive.

[madrchsod]

144. "she was born in chicago in nineteen and forty seven"

Well, her father told his daughter, "daughter , we had better move to the suburbs"

...don`t let the door kick ya in the ass...

[bigtree]

148. these are fine Americans

. . . who don't deserve to be so denigrated for something so innocuous as their residency.

[wowimthere]

155. And to prove she cares... she voted for the Iraq war! Wow... How kind.

Pennsylvanians... don't, I say, don't get fooled again. She's Bush-lite. She voted for this war and she voted to make Iran's national guard a terrorist organization. She was duped by Bush. Don't get duped by Clinton.

[redqueen]

158. Great post bigtree...

I honestly can't believe people are jumping all over the subject line, considering you did get it from the article, and she didn't say it, and it's not even that big of a stretch anyway.

F#&*ing petty.

*sigh*

[DefenseLawyer]

161. I'm sure she is a life-long Phillies fan too

Has a signed Tug McGraw poster framed in her office.

[Bravo Zulu]

162. I was born and raised in Pennsylvania

and still live here, if Hillary likes Pennsylvania,I vote to make her an honorary citizen of Pennsylvania, Barack too, if he wants to be one, but not bu$h, he's too evil.