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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:52 PM
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An Argument in Favor of the Caucus Portion of the Texas Primaries
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 10:32 PM by thevoiceofreason
Ok Ok. We've sat through the weeks and weeks of everyone and their dog trashing Texas and our "Texas two-step." And, without a doubt, the system needs some serious attention, especially in light of the difficulties that come along with the unprecedented participation. But the cacophony screaming for the end of our system misses the mark.

The precinct conventions on March 4 were chaotic. But here is the point. We stuck together and hung out. For hours and hours. In a primary that is voting only, that doesn't happen. You come in, vote, then leave. No contact. No interaction (unless you come back and blog on DU bitching about the other candidate and their tacky supporters). Another thing - you know what else happens at the precinct conventions? You sign in. Almost everyone writes in their phone numbers. And e-mail addresses.

Next come the weeks before the state senate/county conventions. What happens here? In many many/most cases (like ours), we have a copy of the sign in sheets. We call the participants -- especially the delegates to the senate convention. We e-mail them. My wife and I hosted events for the delegates. WE GOT TO KNOW EACH OTHER. And in our pretty damn red, well-to-do precinct in West Houston, we built a democratic organization, based on friendship and dedication to a cause! More than half of the folks we contacted and who are part of this network were only "reachable" by cell phone and email, which we were only able to get through the precinct caucus sign in. Before this -- no organization whatsoever.

Next came the senate convention. Our entire precinct, which was pretty evenly split, stayed for about 10 hours. Everyone was adamant in their support of their candidate, but we all talked. We got along. And we agreed, to a person, that our precinct would shake the earth this fall by going blue (OK, maybe bluer).

And this is my point. The caucus side of the Texas prima-caucus is an exercise in party building. I am my precinct chairman. I now have a working list of phone numbers and e-mails of over 100 committed democrats in my precinct. About half of them were involved in one form or another in the activities AFTER the precinct caucuses. This is how you build a party.

Are there issues we face? Yes. We have to streamline the credentialing process. We have to have more resources from the state (we are, in part, at the mercy of what the state (R) sends us for our elections). We have to build the base of county volunteers so we can get things done more quickly. But there is a lot of good going on here.

As a final note, I can't help but overlay what I've seen with some history and the complaints about this process that I hear from the Clinton camp. A common complaint I remember from the 1992-2000 timeframe was that it was all about the Clintons and little help or enthusiasm worked its way downstream to local and state parties and candidates. In Texas, in 1994, we lost our democratic strength statewide and haven't recovered yet. Local organization and strength has diminished (until this year). That is why I dislike the Clinton's attack of our system insofar as this is the best way I'm aware of to build our party from the ground up. Deep down, Texas is not the state of George Bush. It;s the state of Willie Nelson. Let us return to our roots.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:01 PM
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1. Can't beat a caucus system for party building.
I must agree.

Texas Dems will be in a great position in terms of GOTV and all that. I'm not sure if the state is ready to go Dem this year, but someday it will be and these caucuses just may be the foundation.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:12 PM
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2. This year will be interesting. 2010 and 2012 will rock.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:34 PM
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5. The house races might be interesting no?
I'm beginning to see that Obama/Richardson would kick ass.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:36 PM
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6. We should add some house seats
And I think Lampson has a decent chance at holding Tom DeLay's old seat (TX-22)
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:28 PM
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3. Thanks for the hard work
K&R my friend!
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SunsetDreams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:31 PM
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4. and something else to add...
Bill Clinton won under that same caucus system in 1992 and didn't complain...was that because he won them?:shrug:

Great post thank you, and thank you for all your hard work.

Caucuses truly show motivation by the voters.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:53 PM
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7. Your article made me think of something that is very strange about the
caucus system - it only becomes a 'problem' if a) it counts b) it excites hundreds of thousands of people


Everyone was delighted with the system when it was 3 couples sharing cookies in Bill and June's living room.


There are problems from failure and problems from success. This is a problem only because so many people want to join into it.

If we go back to real precinct caucus systems it is a tremendous way to build party strength.


Also for some states - especially with lower populations, there is no alternative.

There is no legal requirement that a state have a primary election. If they have other election issues pending for an election (like California) then adding a presidential primary is not a big thing. States have their normal primaries usually in June - This is way to early to have primaries for anything but the Presidential race. If a state isn't having an election and the people don't want to pay for a primary election (which for rural areas can be a needlessly costly expense) caucuses are an inexpensive way to do it and they also can decide when they are going to do it.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 10:58 PM
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8. And that's why Texas throws a few presidential delegates to the caucuses
Because the folks in charge know that it is the best way to motivate a larger number of people to get involved with the organization.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:01 PM
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9. that makes sense
Washington State has a law requiring a primary but the parties have chosen caucuses




By the way was there every any response to your Mississippi article about the additional delegates for Obama?

That was you wasn't it?
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:03 PM
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10. That was me.
Apparently, they have to wait until they can get the entire state party leaders to sign off on an amended recapitulation and then submit that (the SOS won't post/accept anything that is not certified formally).
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:05 PM
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11. recommended!
WE ROCK!!!!!! :thumbsup:

You're a delegate right? Don't forget to check the Texas forum for the official DU drunks caucus location!
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:10 PM
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14. Not to state.
We had a young woman who was dying to go to state. I couldn't deny her -- she was so excited and fired up. So, we agreed to vote for her at the party at our house the night before the convention. That's ok. I'm set for trial in early June anyhow.

If I'm not in trial, I'll drive to Austin, hang out and find ya'll. We have a house in Wimberley.
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Melissa G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:30 PM
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24. Lots of us gave up our slots to new delegates. Good for you!
Plenty of us are gonna hang out anyway and offer DUers our couches and spare bedrooms so they can come Party with the Party! :hi: Thanks for your work! We sent an older first time voter as our alternate delegate which is the only vote we had control over.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:05 PM
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12. "It's the state of Willie Nelson."
That's great! Also makes me a little proud to have been born in Texas, much as I bitch about it (I live right next door, so I hope you understand.)

Thanks for this post. It's exciting to hear about what's going on and it really bodes well for the future of Texas. If this is going on around the country (as it seems it is), it bodes very well for ALL of us.

Keep up the good work!!
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:11 PM
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15. I always give my Sooner friends a hard time (orange-blood here)
But we appreciate your work and dedication. Lt's turn the whole damn Red River blue.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:06 PM
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13. I love you guys for it ...it's called Dedication.
We thank you and are amazed how soooo many are interested enough this year to do it. It was The Perfect Storm.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:25 PM
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16. Actually, after your defense and crispini's defense of the Texas two-step
I'm beginning to think it's a system that every state should implement -- a primary for everyone to have their say, and then a caucus for the die-hard activists of the party to have their say. I'd think you'd get the best results that way. Just my two cents.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:31 PM
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17. Thanks
And by the way, did ya'll just see that Val Verde County (Del Rio, on the Rio Grande) just reported -- 8-7 Clinton. Jeez! Barack basically tied Hillary in a border county -- outstanding!
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:48 PM
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18. SDEC Rep. does not think we will change
I was active at my senate convention and worked closely with the SDEC rep to the Texas Democratic party. He does not think that the system will change much for future elections because it does build party unity. Our convention ran very well over all and there is a ton of good data that the party can use for the election. I noticed that the Obama people were entering a lot of the precinct information at the war room and that data will be handy for the general electon.

There was such enthuasiam and spirit at this convention that I was amazed.

I am an alternative and will be at the State Convention. I do not know if the Obama voter protection team will be needed at the state convention but will be happy to help if asked.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:50 PM
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19. I'll probably be there hanging out in credentials for Obama.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 11:53 PM
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20. Recommended! n/t
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:00 AM
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21. Agreed. Democracy is about more than just voting
It's about participating.

“Customer" and "consumer" are not the only words being used to change the nature of citizenship. The word taxpayer now regularly holds the place which in a true democracy would be occupied by citizen. Taxpayers bear a dual relationship to government, neither half of which has anything at all to do with democracy. Taxpayers pay tribute to the government and they receive services from it. So does every subject of a totalitarian regime. What taxpayers do not do, and what people who call themselves taxpayers have long since stopped even imagining themselves doing, is governing.”

--David Kemmis, former mayor of Missoula, Montana


I even have a problem with the term "activist," which by its nature implies that being inactive ought to be the norm and only weirdos would want to act like citizens.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:30 AM
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22. Early morning self-promote kick
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 10:52 AM
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23. Caucuses measure INTENSITY which is key. n/t
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-31-08 12:35 PM
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25. It's a wonderful indicator of "soft" support
and shows just how much the "Rush effect" influenced the primary.
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