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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:39 PM
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Prediction: Clinton Backers Will Get Over It
After 8 years of Bush and McSurge on the horizon promising an economic plan Herbert Hoover could get behind, I think that would be enough. The fact that Obama will be a very gracious winner will also help. As will the prospect of affordable health care for anyone that wants it.

Wounds will heal.

This race will be determined by fundraising and turnout and I predict that Obama is going to shatter records of voters and small donor contributions. On top of that, the pollsters will have to rewrite the rules of who is considered a "likely" voter when all kinds of new people turn out.

Considering Obama's polling numbers after his inspired performance in the facest of his toughest political crisis, I think rumors of Wright videos inciting a race war are somewhat exagerrated.

Finally, I know that some of our more unfortunate Obama supporters will get their act together and learn the difference between being a passionate supporter and being a jerk.

Maybe not a 100%, but I think by November we WILL be singing Kumbayah by the campfire together.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:42 PM
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1. I look at it this way: If Obama gets the nomination and wins the most pledged delegates, the people
have spoken. If Hillary gets the nomination without winning the most pledged delegates, it would rightfully be seen as stolen. One situation (the latter) will cause justifiable anger, the first situation, however, will cause some upset Hillary supporters but they will not be able to point to a legitimate reason for being angry with the results.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:44 PM
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2. I disagree. The race is nearly tied. No one can win without the superdelegates
To suggest that if Clinton wins she stole it defies common sense. Obama will steal the election just as much as Clinton will if he wins by superdelegates.

They are virtually tied at every count popular and delegates. The party is divided.

He has no more right to the nomination than Clinton does.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:46 PM
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4. ...except for the minor fact that he has more delegates...
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:47 PM
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6. But, not enough to win.
His 100 or so more delegates is not a "win." He needs the superdelegates too.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:49 PM
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10. At the end of all the primaries/caucuses, the person with the most pledged delegates has the rightfu
l argument that the people have spoken for THEM. It doesn't matter how close it is. If he was ahead by 1 delegate he'd be able to have the same argument...but he is up by over 100.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:51 PM
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13. If you want to change the rules in the middle of the game, to your rules.
But, that is not the reality of how we choose a candidate.
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:50 PM
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12. A fifty-fifty split among the SD's gives Obama the first ballot majority
I expect him to do better than that.
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:48 PM
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7. 120+ Pledged Delegates over
is not "virtually tied"

Her "Big Win" in Ohio netted her 7 delegates.

This is just patently false that there is a virtual tie.

He has more right to it because he will end the primaries with the most pledged delegates. Period.

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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:48 PM
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9. Do you ever read the rules before you play a game?
Do you get unlimited chances to pass GO when playing Monopoly?

Are you at all acquainted with addition and subtraction?

Do you have any idea how politicians in local elections who are designated super delegates can come home to their local communities and state that they voted AGAINST the will of the majority of voters in their district?

Oh, Obama has "just as much chance as Hillary"......by whose math?
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:53 PM
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15. Yes. It is nearly tied. Obama has a slight lead over Clinton
but not nearly enough to win. The delegates are virtually split. And the superdelegates will choose our nominee.

Those are the rules of the game.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:58 PM
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18. Nearly tied is 50/50, or maybe 51/49. Obama is ahead 53/47 in pledged delegates. eom
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:07 PM
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19. Defies common sense? Your sense, maybe. Not common sense. nt
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featherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:45 PM
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3. 10 - 15 % of DEMS regularly vote for the Republican anyway
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 08:48 PM by featherman
each election. About 8-10% of Republicans vote Dem also. If disaffected Clinton supporters would rather stay home or vote for Nader or whatever, it would be a shame but so be it.

Whatever reasons they have... they have.

There are other fish to fry like winning the Independent vote that well need to win the presidency.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:47 PM
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5. Don't forget the 'new voters' Obama can bring in.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:49 PM
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11. You Start Getting Over Twelve Percent Defections It Becomes Problematic
See 00 and 04
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JayFredMuggs Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:52 PM
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14. You don't really think Bush won in 2000 do you?
500,000 MORE votes for Gore nationally than Bush.......just that those votes were in the wrong places, the places that Hillary says "didn't count"....and in Florida, the election was marvelously flawed by the brother of the Republican candidate, and the Republican Secretary of State who could not design a fair ballot.....

Yeah, 2000 is a good example of Hillary math.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:55 PM
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16. He Made It Close Enough To Steal
Edited on Sun Mar-30-08 08:59 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
And WTF does Hillary math have to do with anything?

And every county in Florida has their own ballot... Unfortunately, the infamous butterfly ballot in Palm Beah County was designed by the Democratic Supervisor Of Elections...
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:48 PM
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8. I keep reminding myself that we all want the same thing. We want to fix this mess our country is in
and we all think our preferred candidate is the best person for the job. It seems so clear to us, that we just can't fathom that it isn't clear to someone else. So, we assume that the only reason someone doesn't support our candidate is they are just uninformed, a lemming, a latte drinker, an "old white woman" or a college kid just following a trend. We need to stop dehumanizing one another and understand that a huge percentage of Democrats are going to be extremely sad when the nominee is chosen. I really hope the mean spirited remarks, personal attacks and gloating are kept in check when that happens. Let's not forget that Bush won by effectively dehumanizing his opposition.

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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 08:58 PM
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17. As an Edwards refugee, I can only hope you are right
His dropping was heartbreaking to those of us who were rooting for the populist. Then it was time for a reality break.

I can only hope that Mrs. Clinton's supporters see the same reality.

Ending this war and repairing our economy as well as our image in the world is more important than a personality fight.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:11 PM
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20. mcclurkin sewed up my support for obama -- and i'm not a hillary supporter. nt
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-30-08 09:21 PM
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21. I don't sing.
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