Rendell vs. Kerry

[ProSense]

Video: Ed Rendell vs. John Kerry

[PresidentObama]

1. Rendell couldn't hold John Kerry's jockstrap.

[DJ13]

2. I want to thank you for that mental image

:puke:

:rofl:

[TayTay]

3. A, it was actually a good discussion

Very much a civilized talk from people who genuinely like each but who happen to be on opposites sides in the Presidential primaries. I thought it was a good debate.

[davidinalameda]

6. yick

that is a nasty image

[H2O Man]

10. Larry Holmes

will be inducted in the Hall of Fame in June.

[MH1]

16. ..

:rofl:

[BeatleBoot]

39. I don't think he would want to

[Firespirit]

44. For one, Teresa would kick his ass if he tried. eom

[TheDonkey]

4. "the Obama forces" ie. Rendell sucks major toe. Kerry rocks and is all class

Kerry is an impressive man and I'm so happy he has endorsed Obama. Two American heroes.

[truedelphi]

76. Agree with all my heart. No slimey back room deals like Rendell

Seems to favor.

[Barack_America]

5. Rendell just looks like he's going through the motions.

It'll be interesting to see what he does if Obama's national poll results hold and the PA polls tighten.

He doesn't look like he's about to tank his political career just for Hillary.

[JI7]

7. hahah Kerry totally controlled that debate, not just with Rendell but Stephanopopulos

[Cha]

27. Good for Kerry!

Kerry has the gravitas behind him.

[BeatleBoot]

8. Too bad Mr. Kerry couldn't deliver Massachusetts.

"Sorry, Barack, I gave it my best shot."

[PresidentObama]

9. Karl? Is that you?

[BeatleBoot]

11. Here we go again.

No, I'm a lifelong Democrat.

So kiss off.

[PresidentObama]

15. The man you posted a rude picture of has done more than you nor I, both lifelong Dems, will ever do.

And you choose to mock him because he didn't support Clinton?

Senator John Kerry is a valuable member of the Democratic party, and one of the most well known and well liked members of the United States Senate and Democratic leadership in Congress. He's spent over 20 years fighting in the Senate for Progressive causes.

I'm sorry I don't like Right Wing pictures posted of by rude posters.

[BeatleBoot]

28. Yes he is.

And I knocked on doors for him. And I phone banked for him.

And he is a war hero, too. No doubt.

I got the pic from another progressive website, by the way.

And if anyone knows what the Nazi scum can do to their opponent, it would be John.

And if he doesn't understand what they are going to do to Mr. Obama this fall, then he's either not as smart as I thought or he has a different agenda.

My inkling is that it is the latter.

Sorry.

[PresidentObama]

30. And I'm sure the Republicans wouldn't touch Senator Clinton, give me a break.

They've got the kitchen sink ready to throw at us.

And unfortunately, Senator Clinton is helping out in destructing our nominee.

Good luck with posting rude pictures of our past nominees.

Life long Democrat doesn't mean you get a free pass to act like a life long Republican.

[BeatleBoot]

34. Senator Clinton's been through the Meat Grinder my friend.

She lived it every day for 8 years.

Personally, I don't give a shit what you think of me. Because its not about me nor is it about you.

It's about winning in November.

And we have a disagreement about who would crash and burn this fall.

I suggest we grow some thick skin, because we're going to need it.

Buckle up.

[ProSense]

42. Here:

somethings the meat grinder missed

Where are Hillary's 2000 to 2006 tax return, her earmarks list and the list of donors to the Clinton library?

[karynnj]

84. HRC had the WH as a platform to fight back from for those 8 years

The value of that can not be diminished. Add to that the media of that time period - even from Bill Clinton's view - is not that of now. You could have said in 2004, that Kerry had been a RW target since 1971. In 1971, Nixon called for people to destroy him and his administration created a group led by John O'Neil to target Kerry. In addition he had the FBI follow him for a year and there were other dirty tricks. Kerry survived this even though he was a 27 year old kid at the time. He was attacked when he investigated the illegal funding and arming of the Contras - run out of Arkansas. He did not have the resources to fight back the Clintons did - he just had truth.

The difference was that Kerry did not have tons of skeletons in his closet that could be used as the Clintons did.

[2rth2pwr]

53. Are Kerry and Kennedy going to follow the will of the people in their state

and pledge that as Superdelegates they must support Clinton?

[PresidentObama]

55. They're free to do as they wish.

[Forkboy]

70. As a Mass resident I hope they do.

[karynnj]

85. Kerry said back in early February when this first became an issue

that he thought it wouyld be diasterous - either way- if the superdelegates overturned the pledged delegates. There was never a rule - before the Clintons brought up the idea in mid-February that they could lose the pledged count, but win by getting more superdelegates.

From that I would assume that if HRC has the pledged count, he would vote for her - otherwise no.

Consider that if in addition to the pledged counts, the superdelegates who are public officials are suppose to vote as the vote went - that leaves the UNELECTED PARTY OFFICIALS as the ones who make the choice.

Though it won't happen imagine a scenario where only Kerry and Kennedy have not voted - Obama won the pledged count by over 100, the other public officials were coerced to vote the vote in their state/district, and a disproportionate amount of party insiders left the total vote 1 up for Clinton. What do you think they should do?

- I would go back to Kerry's February comment and think the most honest thing for the 2 of them to do would be to not let party insiders steal the nomination - and vote for Obama. (even though it could hurt Kerry politically)

[karynnj]

83. Actually he spoke of what he knows the RW will do

and he spoke of how he and others will help Obama fight back. He mentioned that Obama knows that he has to hit every lie/smear back harder than they pushed it. He also pointed out that Obama, who is likely not to take federal financing, will have the money to do so. (Unlike Kerry who had to stretch money over a 13 week general election to Bush's 8 weeks). He also spoke of the fact that some of Obama's people were his people in 2004 - and they have seen this from the inside before. In the wake of 2004, Kerry spoke of needing to figure out how these things could be dealt with. In February 2005, at the Kennedy Center at Harvard when he was given an award, he described the problem well - gave some analysis, but was honest that the answers weren't obvious. I assume that Kerry has shared any conclusions he has reached since then with Obama.

What is clear is that whoever is the nominee, Kerry will do exactly what he said he would - fight his heart out for a Democratic President. This appearance, as others, show that he is an incredibly good person to have on your side. He has been out there as often as any Obama surrogate. My guess is that his agenda is what he has said it is. Electing a Democratic President and picking the one he things has the best chance to succeed in doing the difficult things that need to be done.

I went to a book event the Kerrys had in NYC in March 2006, he answered one question by saying that whoever was elected in 2008 had a chance to be one of the great Presidents, such as FDR, because of the huge things that needed to be done. He said at the time that he had considered that when he made his decision not to run. Listen to the reasons he cited when he endorsed Obama - it is clear that he feels Obama has the possibility for bringing enough people together to do these massive things that need to be done. I assume that he would see himself and others helping support him in doing this. What seems clear is that he doesn't see HRC as likely to able to do that.

[UALRBSofL]

48. Well, you need to get over it

Kerry whom voted IWR and tried to bring it up again today, LOL. Kerry is just full of sour grapes because he lost in '04 and it's pretty clear he doesn't want a woman in office since he couldn't come through in '04.

[ProSense]

64. Kerry was right:

Kerry, unlike Hillary, spoke out against Bush several times before Bush invaded, including this speech at Georgetown University on Thursday, January 23, 2003:

As our government conducts one war and prepares for another, I come here today to make clear that we can do a better job of making our country safer and stronger. We need a new approach to national security - a bold, progressive internationalism that stands in stark contrast to the too often belligerent and myopic unilateralism of the Bush Administration. I offer this new course at a critical moment for the country that we love, and the world in which we live and lead. Thanks to the work and sacrifice of generations who opposed aggression and defended freedom, for others as well as ourselves, America now stands as the world's foremost power. We should be proud: Not since the age of the Romans have one people achieved such preeminence. But we are not Romans; we do not seek an empire. We are Americans, trustees of a vision and a heritage that commit us to the values of democracy and the universal cause of human rights. So while we can be proud, we must be purposeful and mindful of our principles: And we must be patient - aware that there is no such thing as the end of history. With great power, comes grave responsibility.

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Second, without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. He miscalculated an eight-year war with Iran. He miscalculated the invasion of Kuwait. He miscalculated America's response to that act of naked aggression. He miscalculated the result of setting oil rigs on fire. He miscalculated the impact of sending scuds into Israel and trying to assassinate an American President. He miscalculated his own military strength. He miscalculated the Arab world's response to his misconduct. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm.

So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War. Regrettably the current Administration failed to take the opportunity to bring this issue to the United Nations two years ago or immediately after September 11th, when we had such unity of spirit with our allies. When it finally did speak, it was with hasty war talk instead of a coherent call for Iraqi disarmament. And that made it possible for other Arab regimes to shift their focus to the perils of war for themselves rather than keeping the focus on the perils posed by Saddam's deadly arsenal. Indeed, for a time, the Administration's unilateralism, in effect, elevated Saddam in the eyes of his neighbors to a level he never would have achieved on his own, undermining America's standing with most of the coalition partners which had joined us in repelling the invasion of Kuwait a decade ago.

In U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the United Nations has now affirmed that Saddam Hussein must disarm or face the most serious consequences. Let me make it clear that the burden is resoundingly on Saddam Hussein to live up to the ceasefire agreement he signed and make clear to the world how he disposed of weapons he previously admitted to possessing. But the burden is also clearly on the Bush Administration to do the hard work of building a broad coalition at the U.N. and the necessary work of educating America about the rationale for war. As I have said frequently and repeat here today, the United States should never go to war because it wants to, the United States should go to war because we have to. And we don't have to until we have exhausted the remedies available, built legitimacy and earned the consent of the American people, absent, of course, an imminent threat requiring urgent action.

The Administration must pass this test. I believe they must take the time to do the hard work of diplomacy. They must do a better job of making their case to the American people and to the world.

I have no doubt of the outcome of war itself should it be necessary. We will win. But what matters is not just what we win but what we lose. We need to make certain that we have not unnecessarily twisted so many arms, created so many reluctant partners, abused the trust of Congress, or strained so many relations, that the longer term and more immediate vital war on terror is made more difficult. And we should be particularly concerned that we do not go alone or essentially alone if we can avoid it, because the complications and costs of post-war Iraq would be far better managed and shared with United Nation's participation. And, while American security must never be ceded to any institution or to another institution's decision, I say to the President, show respect for the process of international diplomacy because it is not only right, it can make America stronger - and show the world some appropriate patience in building a genuine coalition. Mr. President, do not rush to war.

Kerry in 2003:

The way Powell, Eagleberger, Scowcroft, and the others were talking at the time, continued Kerry, I felt confident that Bush would work with the international community. I took the President at his word. We were told that any course would lead through the United Nations, and that war would be an absolute last resort. Many people I am close with, both Democrats and Republicans, who are also close to Bush told me unequivocally that no decisions had been made about the course of action. Bush hadn't yet been hijacked by Wolfowitz, Perle, Cheney and that whole crew. Did I think Bush was going to charge unilaterally into war? No. Did I think he would make such an incredible mess of the situation? No. Am I angry about it? You're God damned right I am. I chose to believe the President of the United States. That was a terrible mistake.

History defends this explanation. The Bush administration brought Resolution 1441 to the United Nations in early November of 2002 regarding Iraq, less than a month after the Senate vote. The words "weapons inspectors" were prominent in the resolution, and were almost certainly the reason the resolution was approved unanimously by the Security Council. Hindsight reveals that Bush's people likely believed the Hussein regime would reject the resolution because of those inspectors. When Iraq opened itself to the inspectors, accepting the terms of 1441 completely, the administration was caught flat-footed, and immediately began denigrating the inspectors while simultaneously piling combat troops up on the Iraq border. The promises made to Kerry and the Senate that the administration would work with the U.N., would give the inspectors time to complete their work, that war would be an action of last resort, were broken.

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Kerry has never wavered in calling out Bush on his immoral war, and he led the effort to set a deadline for withdrawal.

Hillary Clinton's problem has been not only her silence, but also her inability to explain her position with clarity and consistency.

Also, where was Hillary when Bill was "repeatedly" defending "Bush against the left on Iraq"?

"I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq, even though I think he should have waited until the U.N. inspections were over," Clinton said in a Time magazine interview that will hit newsstands Monday, a day before the publication of his book "My Life."

Clinton, who was interviewed Thursday, said he did not believe that Bush went to war in Iraq over oil or for imperialist reasons but out of a genuine belief that large quantities of weapons of mass destruction remained unaccounted for.

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In the middle of the 2004 campaign to make Bush a one-term president (select) for his illegal invasion, Bill Clinton was defending him.

Hillary's is losing cause she's running a lousy campaign. Stop trying to make it look bad for all women. Not all women repeatedly lie.

[PresidentObama]

71. Read ProSense's reply. That explains all. And he's apologized for his vote. Hillary?

She won't. And for highly political ambition reasons.

That's what we need: more of the same!

George W. Bush doesn't like admitting mistakes either.

And sour grapes? Seems to me Senator Kerry joined the winning campaign.

[high density]

13. I'm really afraid of losing MA in November

That's quite the Republican stronghold.

[BeatleBoot]

17. I'm sincerely afraid of losing

Michigan, Ohio, PA and Florida

[ossman]

19. MI? After 7 years of DEPRESSION up here? Yea. We're voting GOP. Pass the doobie to the left hand ...

[PresidentObama]

20. I'm not afraid of losing, because Barack Obama will be our nominee! n/t

[high density]

21. And Kerry's bunny suit picture is related to those four states because...?

You're making no sense here...

[MH1]

29. I can't see the pic (all I see is Ignored) but if that's the clean room pic

don't DUers have a clue that some people where that outfit every day at work?

I thought Kerry looked cool in the clean room suit. (I didn't have to wear that get up myself but I worked with people who did. I donned it on occasion to enter certain areas where I used to work. Most days I just needed a lab coat).

Now if it's the embellished pic, well that is what the alert button is for.

[Hawkeye-X]

41. Yeah it is the clean room pic.

I wouldn't worry too much about BeatleBoots. He's a known T, and unfortunately, there's nothing we can do about it - always posts anti-Obama shit.

Much like Tellurian and Herman Munster.

Hawkeye-X

[ProSense]

14. You have nothing to defend Hillary with so you post a photo? Idiotic! n/t

[BeatleBoot]

40. Oh, dear!

[ProSense]

43. Another photo. Is that you? n/t

[stillcool]

77. Why do you dislike Senator Kerry?

Do you live here in Mass? He is one of the few liberal Senators we still have left. Or is that your problem?

[VolcanoJen]

12. Kerry kicked much ass.

He's Obama's best surrogate, at this point.

[PresidentObama]

18. Agreed. Nobody puts their support into words with such passion like Kerry does.

Senator Kerry is behind Senator Obama not because it's politically smart at this point. He's behind Senator Obama because he believe he's the best candidate, and has the ability to unite the country and bring about bold change that this country desperately needs.

John Kerry is absolutely incredible in his support for Barack.

[VolcanoJen]

22. I still just adore the man.

Sigh... 2004.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1117750

[PresidentObama]

24. ....What should have been...

[MH1]

78. Aw..

I read that post and automatically went looking for the recommend button...

That's a great pic at the bottom, too.

Thanks for the link.

[fedupinBushcountry]

33. You are so right

Don't let the haters get to you, they act like high schoolers and since they don't have anything of substance to say they just post garbage. The RW made that picture a joke although Senator Kerry was dressed just like Senator Nelson (Clinton supporter).

According to NASA sources Sen. Bill Nelson suggested on the spur of the moment that Kerry and his entourage ought to go onto the Space Center itself and look at the inside of space shuttle orbiter. NASA tends to take a Senator's requests seriously and they did their best to oblige.

Originally Kerry's visit was to be confined to the KSC visitor's center. This new request was not part of the original planned visit. In order to visit the inside of a shuttle orbiter in the Orbiter Processing Facility, you need to wear a bunny suit. Everyone does.

[tritsofme]

23. If Obama gets the nod, I hope that trainwreck stays away from the cameras.

And is not seen until after November.

[ProSense]

25. Isn't the world lucky that you're not Obama? n/t

[PresidentObama]

26. So typical, a Clinton supporter attacking a Democrat.

[tritsofme]

35. delete dupe

[tritsofme]

38. lol, you must not read very far into GDP

Where every one-time DU sacred cow that turned against Obama is cast as a great villain.

I've had the luxury of never liking Kerry very much however, so at least I'm not a hypocrite.

[TheDonkey]

32. despicable

[Mass]

46. Do you mean Clinton? Because if yes, I agree. The last thing we need is to have him

close to the cameras.

[tritsofme]

50. heh, the last Dem to win reelection since FDR or the guy who couldn't beat the biggest failure

in American history.

I know which direction I would be heading.

[ProSense]

52. The last Dem to be impeached, the last Dem to get a...

oh, forget it!

Kerry has more integrity in his little finger than Bill could ever hope to have.

[Mass]

60. Well he only got 42 % against Poppy Bush and could not get 50 % against Dole as the sitting

president in a good economy (well, we know why, but it is nobody's fault than himself). So, please, give us a break. Bill has been an hindrance on his wife and he will be one on the nominee if he campaigns for him.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

31. Kerry only wishes he had a 10% of the fight in him that Hillary does

the twit was a wuss in 2004

[PresidentObama]

36. Karl? Is that you?

[ProSense]

37. He won the primary, including Iowa. How's Hillary doing? n/t

[fedupinBushcountry]

45. Bingo! n/t

[AX10]

49. I have no respect for Kerry.

I worked my ass off for him in 2004 and he left us to go surfboarding while he was being attacked by the swiftboaters.
Also, he listened to Richard Holbrooke for advise on foreign policy.

I have no regard for him after the 04' election. HRC is a fighter. That is what I want.
I could give a damn less about Kerry's re-election in 2008.

[ProSense]

51. But, "I have complete respect for someone who repeatedly lies."

In that context, it's understandable why Kerry is not your type!

[fedupinBushcountry]

61. Don't ya love

how they can't deal with truth. Now I wonder where they picked that up from? hmmmmmm.....

[ProSense]

79. They're

still bitter that Kerry didn't endorse Hillary!

Whenever the opportunity presents itself, they never fail to invoke Kerry's name to boost their arguments in defense of Hillary.

[NJSecularist]

54. B.S.

Kerry fought back against the Swiftboaters as well as he could. One of the biggest misconceptions that is prevalent on this forum is that he didn't fight back as much as he could. That is false.

[PresidentObama]

58. "HRC is a fighter" Yep, for the special interests. They're fueling her campaign.

[UALRBSofL]

67. Yeah, Kerry, the lone man, never to become president

He is so resentful of the Clinton's that he can't even be cordial talking about them. I love seeing his envy.

[PresidentObama]

Hey maybe him and Hillary have something in common: They won't be President!

Both Senators, too!!

I guess they have SOMETHING in common ;)

[PresidentObama]

68. Hey maybe him and Hillary have something in common: They won't be President!

Both Senators, too!!

I guess they have SOMETHING in common ;)

[ProSense]

73. Here's something they will not have in common:

She'll never be the Dem nominee.

[PresidentObama]

75. Very true. And Kerry never threw the kitchen sink to win n/t

[karynnj]

86. What do you expect? He was never under sniper fire, like HRC was in Bosnia.

Experiences like that put things in perspective. :sarcasm: Not to mention, he never once dissolved in near tears because he was in danger of losing the primary - speaking of how hard it was - as HRC did in NH.

In fact, other than having some amazing "angry looks" and being able to say "shame on you" - when did HRC fight back better than Obama or Edwards this year? We were simply told that she and Bill would. The first flack they got at the Philly debate had Bill out talking of swiftboating - though this was a little nothing.

[AX10]

47. Rendell has more balls than Kerry.

That is for sure.

Also, Dodd and Leahy should let ALL of the voters vote!

[ProSense]

56. Rendell got his butt

respectfully handed to him.

[AX10]

63. Kerry got his butt

handed to him, respectfully.

[ProSense]

65. Stop "Xeroxing" me!

LOL!

[PresidentObama]

69. Clinton got her butt

handed to her, respectfully.

GOBAMA!

[TheDonkey]

72. Rendell is a coward and a clown

His tap dancing these past 3 weeks have been embarrassing for him and the state of PA. He realizes that Hillary is headed nowhere but he's stuck trying to shovel up the mess.

[PresidentObama]

74. Right when he called them "Obama forces", I knew Kerry was going to kick his ass.

Reminded me of his debate with Bush in 2004.

Go Kerry!!

[TheDonkey]

80. Seriously, Kerry was all class, conviction, and substance

Rendell just came across as desperate much like the 2004 debates where Kerry wiped the floor with Bush.

[politicasista]

57. K&R

Kerry must have did good cause it's a lot of haters in this thread. :kick:

[JI7]

66. yup,

[politicasista]

81. Yep. It's very predictible

after 3 1/2 years here. It's so hilarious that I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the same time. :rofl:

[NJSecularist]

59. Kerry is Obama's best surrogate.

Obama should be infinitely thankful for all Kerry has done for his career. He gave him the opportunity to give the DNC speech, he gave him his first major endorsement and put him on the map in the presidential race, and has stumped for Barack countless times.

I can't wait to watch Barack win the presidency so Kerry can get some vindication from the hate he recieves from some of the "Democrats" on this forum.

[PresidentObama]

62. Yep, Barack Obama gives us a lot of the same hope we felt in 2004. And it's time for a Dem President

President Obama, anyone?

[ProSense]

82. Watch it if you missed it. n/t