It appears to me Hillary has slain one of her fiercest dragons. Congratulations dear Hillary!

[Maribelle]

Hillary, reassessed

Her meeting and her remarks during it changed my mind about her.

Walking into our conference room, not knowing what to expect (or even, perhaps, expecting the worst), took courage and confidence. Not many politicians have political or personal courage today, so it was refreshing to see her exhibit both.

Sen. Clinton also exhibited an impressive command of many of today's most pressing domestic and international issues. Her answers were thoughtful, well-stated, and often dead-on.

Particularly regarding foreign policy, she identified what we consider to be the most important challenges and dangers that the next president must confront and resolve in order to guarantee our nation's security. Those include an increasingly hostile Russia, an increasingly powerful China and increasing instability in Pakistan and South America.

Like me, she believes we must pull our troops out of Iraq, because it is time for Iraqis to handle their own destiny -- and, more important, because it is past time to end the toll on our soldiers there, to begin rebuilding our military, and to refocus our attention on other threats, starting with Afghanistan.

more ...

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/s_559659.html

And be sure to see the terrific videos of her interview stacked on the right!

[babylonsister]

1. Oh, goody, now Scaife likes her, he really likes her!

:eyes:

[greguganus]

6. Slain? Her and Bill have been kissing his ass leading up to her running for prez...

...along with other "dragons" so she could say "See, I get along with everyone".

[Maribelle]

8. Hey what can I say. While Obama jumps the shark Hillary slays the dragon.

The dichotomy is spectacular, truly.

[ClassWarrior]

9. So you're glad she's cozy with devious RWers?

NGU.

[Maribelle]

13. You sound like you might think Obama is a tad jealous? Not to worry, his meeting is due.

We can compare notes then, OK?

[tabasco]

31. Obama was just in Pittsburgh. He met with working people,

not assholes like Scaife.

[Maribelle]

36. Oh - - just you wait and see.

What condiments would you like with that crow?

[tabasco]

43. Oh, okay.

[ClassWarrior]

39. Why can't you people ever give a straight answer about your messiah?

What does Tonya's kissing up to Satan have to do with Obama?

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

42. No answer?

Why doesn't that surprise me?

NGU.

[Jackpine Radical]

44. Hey--I finally figured out what NGU stands for--

Non-gonorrheal urethritis.

[ClassWarrior]

46. So you finally figured out how to Google? Bravo!

But you're WRONG.

:rofl:

NGU.

[Jackpine Radical]

60. Well, I wanted to acquire a new skill this year, and

learning Google was easier than learning to tie my shoes.

[ClassWarrior]

52. Helllloooooo???

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

56. Kicking till I get an answer...

...because if one doesn't come, the OP will prove my point.

NGU.

[Maribelle]

73. And your point is?

Perhaps you need to clarify your alleged point? Hillary was interviewed by the newspaper, and Obama will be as well. This is a standard systemic operation when large papers choose to endorse a presidentidal candidate. Nothing new under the sun.

[ClassWarrior]

85. You didn't answer either question. So the people who dragged HRC thru...

...the mud throughout the 90s are just good ol' newspaper folks now? And why don't HRC defenders seem to be able to answer a question straight, without doing the same thing to another good Dem?

NGU.

[Maribelle]

88. You are totally misconstruing my opinion regarding how Hillary slew the dragon.

I personally hate Scaife - - and found his newfound view of Hillary sweet poetic justice.

[ClassWarrior]

89. So you trust his "newfound view?" And what about the other question?

NGU.

[Maribelle]

90. I trust Scaife about as far as I could toss the Mellon bank.

What other question?

[ClassWarrior]

91. So you're happy she's cozying up with the untrustworthy snake...

...who dragged her through the mud?

And why can't HRC defenders ever answer a question about her straight without bringing Obama into it? Your OP said nothing about Obama. My answer said nothing about Obama. Yet there, once again, was that brilliant campaign strategy of "I know he is, but what is sheeeee?..."

NGU.

[Maribelle]

92. She went to interview with the newspaper conglomerate. I doubt she knew Scaife would even be there.

[Faygo Kid]

94. That's insane. Scaife IS the Tribune-Review. You really think HRC would not have checked that out?

After all that he has accused her of? Good grief. Of course she knew he was going to be there.

[Maribelle]

98. Scaife is the publisher. Most endorsement inerviews are with the editoral board.

[Faygo Kid]

101. He's not just a publisher. He's Scaife. Is her advance team that bad?

At any rate, she got the love letter today from him. Will she disavow it, or is Scaife's endorsement too valuable to her?

[Maribelle]

106. That dang Hillary. The nerve of her to sit down with a Penn. editorial board before the primary.

I truly hope Obama doesn't cleave the party over this as Hillary has done.


:patriot:

God bless America,land that I love.

[Faygo Kid]

108. Again: Will she disavow his support?

Take a look at my posts. It's his column today that is chilling. This is a guy who accused her of MURDER, fer chrissakes. She really wants his support??

[ClassWarrior]

100. I doubt she didn't know he'd be there. If she didn't, is that what we can expect...

...from a HRC presidency? Unpreparedness and surprises courtesy of the nastiest RWers?

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

104. Ironically, this is Bush** territory. Either she's incompetent or complicit.

Pick which one you want to defend.

NGU.

[roguevalley]

96. so that is how you are going to spin this abomination? Poor thing.

[babylonsister]

12. Ooh, isn't she somethin'. Kissing up to a r/wer who time and again

shat on her is really somethin'. It does point to her ambition and lack of any kind of judgment, but hey, enjoy it if that's okay with you.

[wisteria]

66. Please, Scaife is all about what this can gain him. No slaying going on -just sleazy promises.

Scaife has poured millions into RW think tanks. He spent millions trying to discredit Bill Clinton- even paying investigator Ken Star. Now he "likes the Clinton's? Please, Bill and Hill must have sold out the party or some of our ideals in order to gain this attention from him. More reason to make sure she is not our nominee and doesn't get elected.

[roguevalley]

93. That's okay. She still has the Credibility Hag, the Vendor Debt Monster,

the Commander-In-Chief Connundrum and the Kissing-Up-To-Repukes Millstone to take care of. Go, Hillary. :sarcasm:

[karynnj]

26. It is sad when supporters of a Democrat consider there is a "Scaife primary"

and HRC won it! Yay, Actually Teresa Heinz Kerry had the right idea there - she has fought them since they attacked her first husband, the moderate Republican, John Heinz.

You do realize that this paper loses millions of dollars a year - as came out in his divorce information.

[wisteria]

67. Your right. Scaife keeps it going because it is his soapbox.

It really worries me what the Clinton's promised in order to gain his positive attention. They appear to me to be selling out our ideals and possibly our party to remain in power. How disgusting.

[Cirque du So-What]

2. I'll bring the popcorn

[goldcanyonaz]

3. She's the one!

[dailykoff]

4. Capitulation and victory are two vastly different things.

nt

[Maribelle]

18. Please do show us all where you found capitulation in any of this.

I would be interested, indeed, to see how adversely Obama could twist this.

[dailykoff]

20. She basically promised to bomb his favorite targets.

Particularly regarding foreign policy, she identified what we consider to be the most important challenges and dangers that the next president must confront and resolve in order to guarantee our nation's security. Those include an increasingly hostile Russia, an increasingly powerful China and increasing instability in Pakistan and South America.

The Clintons signed onto the permanent war economy long ago and that makes wingers of all stripes feel warm and fuzzy.

[Maribelle]

27. If you read her floor speech of October 10, 2002 you would see this is far from capitulation

Perhaps you don't know her as well as you are pretending?

[dailykoff]

38. Before or after she capitulated on the IWR?

I know her much too well at this point.

[Maribelle]

50. You keep changing your ammunition, but you're still a lousy shot.

[ClassWarrior]

5. Her Senate prayer group buddies Sanctimonium, Inhofe, and Brownback must be proud.

NGU.

[merh]

7. So, tell me, is there some sort of time table for the reposting of these

articles? I mean can we set our watches by it or plan our events, like the changing of the guard.

Many of us don't believe that she has slain a dragon, many believe she sold her soul to the devil.

But let's have some fun with those wonderful comments in the videos. I can recycle too. Since she has made her comments about Katrina, she needs to realize her failures related to Katrina.

Have you ever heard of the Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee? Do you know the jurisdiction of the subcommittee?

Superfund and Brownfields · Resource Conservation and Recovery Act (RCRA), including recycling, Federal facilities and interstate waste · Toxic Substances Control Act (TSCA) · Emergency Planning and Community Right to Know Act (EPCRA) · Persistent Organic Pollutants (POPs) · Environmental Justice · Risk Assessment

Do you know who is the chair of that subcommittee? Yup, you guessed it. HRC.

Have any hearings been held by this subcommittee on the toxic FEMA trailers that folks lived in and are still living in after Katrina and Rita? Seems to me that the health issues are what this subcommittee was created to look into.

Did you know that as early as January of 2006, FEMA knew those trailers were toxic?

Looks like the last time that subcommittee held a hearing was October 2007.

As a former fema dweller, I find it hypocritical of her to be saying that the response to Katrina was embarrassing. She has failed us as the chair of that subcommittee, she has ignored us. The health care concerns of hundreds of thousands of victims are being ignored in our nation and she could hold hearings and address our concerns NOW, if she truly cared and was not just stumping for votes.

[greguganus]

14. She's a politician..they spend their time trying to woo their worst enemies.

It makes them look good in the public eye.

[stillcool]

53. Using Scaife to push bullshit..

looks good in the public eye? It's too bad Hillary doesn't like to Campaign, but instead chooses to play cheap tricks with the media.

The Drudge Report warms to the Clinton camp, or is it vice versa?
By Jim Rutenberg
Published: October 22, 2007
WASHINGTON: As Senator Barack Obama prepared to give a major speech on Iraq one morning a few weeks ago, a flashing-red siren alert went up on the Drudge Report Web site. It read, "Queen of the Quarter: Hillary Crushes Obama in Surprise Fund-Raising Surge," and, "$27 Million, Sources Tell Drudge Report."

Within minutes, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's fund-raising success was injected via Drudge into the day's political news on the Internet and cable television. It did not halt coverage of Obama's speech or his criticism of her vote to authorize the war in 2002, but along the front lines of the campaign - the hourly, intensely fought effort to capture the news cycle or deny ownership of it to the other side - it was a telling assault

Clinton's aides declined to discuss how the Drudge Report got access to her latest fund-raising figures nearly 20 minutes before the official announcement went to supporters.
------
Five current and former Democratic officials said Clinton has on her side the closest thing her party has ever had to Rhoades in Tracy Sefl, a former Democratic National Committee official. The officials said that Sefl had established a friendly relationship with Drudge and that Clinton's campaign often worked quietly through her to open a line of communication with Drudge.

Though liberals say Drudge's ideological imbalance remains plain, Republicans, who viewed the site as theirs in campaigns past, say they are noticing what they believe to be more Democratic driven, often Clinton driven, items on it.

And, as New York magazine reported recently, it has escaped no one that Drudge has sometimes mentioned Clinton favorably on his syndicated radio program, even if no one really knows whether his comments reflect admiration for her or simply a recognition that keeping her in the news is good for his business.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/22/america/drudge.1-156891.php

[roguevalley]

97. makes them look good? You have to be kidding. I suppose sidling

up to the print equivolant of Hitler looks good to repukes. But not to dems. EVER!

[splat]

16. 'Changing of the guard' indeed; Hillary seems to be uniting a broad coalition

There is a common interest among folks of all political stripes in American getting unstuck.

[merh]

19. LOL, it just figures you didn't understand my post.

The changing of the guard comment was about the folks who support Hillary and come to GDP to recycle topics that are being discussed in existing threads.

Now, dancing with the devil is much more appropriate for what she is doing, but I guess you do that when you sell your soul to the devil.

And please address the other comments in my post, if she has such a common interest why doesn't she use her existing power as the subcommittee chair to investigate the toxic fema trailers and to help citizens today?

[splat]

28. You unwittingly spoke the truth about the watershed

As president she can do so much more about everybody's concerns. You're fighting the last war.

I've never seen a devil, never mind dancing ones -- just balls of whirling dust.

[merh]

33. Nope, you just twisted my words and overlooked the meaning

(not uncommon for those who really don't understand the issues) and you have yet to respond to the meat of my post.

Let's get to Katrina and her chair position. Why has she ignored the toxic trailer concerns of thousands of US citizens - those concerns began in 2005 and 2006 when we became ill while living in them, did she call for any testing, did she hold any hearings?

Would you like a list of the article that her devil published saying she and Bill had Vince Foster killed?

Would you like to know all he has done to harm this nation, by harming the Clintons, all the money he spent?

[splat]

45. Nope, "You said the magic words and the duck came down" -- Groucho Marx

I am interested in the future, you're still back with what Ken Starr dismissed. This is the old politics your candidate vowed to end.

[merh]

51. LOL, what Ken Starr dismissed?

Do you mean the Vince Foster accusations that were fueled and funded by her devil and that are repeated by those that dislike the Clintons with every fiber of their being?

LOL - you really do dodge the issues -

Let me ask you, do you deny that the allegations of Foster's murder, the whitewater, file gate and all of those VRWC attacks harmed the party and made it possible for the republicans to take control of Congress and to put Bush II in the White House?

[merh]

57. And Hillary will unstick them how

by joining forces with those that did the most damage, that distorted the facts and pursued witch hunts against her husband and her in an effort to destroy all democrats and to take control of the nation?

[Maribelle]

24. Feb 2008: Clinton Introduces Legislation to Prevent Use of Toxic Trailers for Disaster Victims

Today, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton introduced legislation to ensure that all trailers and mobile homes purchased by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) meet the safety standards for properties maintained by the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD). Recent data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) confirm that Hurricane Katrina and Rita victims living in FEMA trailers are being exposed to dangerous levels of formaldehyde - on average, five times higher than the levels of formaldehyde in the average home, due in part to the fact that travel trailers are not required to meet HUD standards.

“For more than a year, the Bush Administration knew about these high levels of formaldehyde and failed to act. Victims of disasters should not have their health and safety further jeopardized by toxic hazards in their shelters,” Senator Clinton said. “All trailers used in future disasters must be free of hazardous environmental contaminants. Trailers should never have been used as a substitute for a plan for rebuilding, which is precisely what this Administration did in the wake of Katrina. But if trailers need to be used as temporary shelter in the future, we must ensure that they are as safe as possible.”

The Department of Housing and Urban Development requires that all properties used in its programs “be free of hazardous materials, contamination, toxic chemicals and gasses, and radioactive substances, where a hazard could affect the health and safety of occupants.” The legislation introduced by Senator Clinton today would ensure that all future trailers purchased by FEMA meet that standard, and affirms the responsibility of FEMA to provide safe and secure housing to victims of major disasters.

Senator Clinton has been a vocal advocate for the victims of Hurricanes Katrina and Rita. Senator Clinton's legislation follows a letter to President Bush, calling on him to stop delaying and to help move impacted individuals out of trailers and into other safe housing.

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/record.cfm?id=293711

[merh]

41. Has she held the hearings yet?

February 2008 - by her own words the concerns about these trailers predated that action yet she waited until Feb 2008.

What has come of that legislation, what has she done and when were those hearings?

See, she has a place of power that she can use but she hasn't used it. She hasn't even asked those in the subcommittee to hold hearings. It sits without direction while she campaigns, it sits silent.

[Maribelle]

48. Actually two subcommittees are investigating this

Two House subcommittees have sent letters to the Department of Homeland Security and the federal Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry asking why the Federal Emergency Management Agency interfered with a heath report on formaldehyde in trailers housing people displaced by Hurricane Katrina -- and why ATSDR complied with FEMA's demands that it not consider long-term exposure impacts including cancer.

According to information obtained by the Investigations and Oversight Subcommittee and the Subcommittee on Energy and Environment of the U.S. House Committee on Science and Technology, FEMA allegedly sought to insure that the health consultation would not include any long-term formaldehyde exposure considerations such as cancer, even though people living in the trailers were subjected to long-term exposure to the chemical, which is present in materials used to construct the trailers. The Environmental Protection Agency has classified formaldehyde as a probable human carcinogen.

Rep. Brad Miller (D-N.C.), chair of the Investigations and Oversight Subcommittee, said in statement:

"The evidence that FEMA ignored, hid and manipulated government research on the potential impact of long-term exposure to formaldehyde on Katrina victims now living in travel trailers is hard to ignore. Honest scientific studies don't start with the conclusion, and then work backwards from there."


more ...
http://southernstudies.org/facingsouth/2008/01/fema-accused-of-meddling-into-health.asp

[merh]

55. Has she held hearings yet or asked her committee to investigate

and/or hold hearings?

And what about that proposed legislation, what has she done since proposing it?

[Maribelle]

71. S 2659- legislation is in committee, Senator Landrieu and the Disaster Recovery Subcommittee ...

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d110:SN02659:@@@C

http://landrieu.senate.gov/~landrieu/releases/08/2008311810.html

There is a full committee hearing on FEMA scheduled for April 3rd

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/

[merh]

86. HAS SENATOR CLINTON, the chair of the

Superfund and Environmental Health Subcommittee called for hearings to be held by her committee? See that title, it is about Health and toxic substances. Don't tell me what others are doing that she should be doing, has her subcommittee done anything, have they done anything since Oct of '07?

Where in that press release does it mention Clinton? And why does her subcommittee not make a statement in support of the hearings, join in the hearings?

I pose this question from landrieu's press release to the chair of the subcommittee that is supposed to be investigating toxic matters and health concerns.

"Since CDC's own scientists raised safety concerns about formaldehyde, why were the trailers not tested immediately?" Sen. Landrieu asked. "Why did it take CDC and FEMA until this winter to test for this known carcinogen when you were aware of the problem back in the 1980s?"

Stop telling me what others are doing, what is she doing? A simple release from her subcommittee joining in this investigation seems appropriate and would give much needed support for these hearings, don't you think?

You see, it is all very personal for me, I lived in a fema trailer for 25 months and I have no health care - will the government provide me the health care I may need?

[merh]

87. Maybe you should compare

and realize that Obama didn't wait to February 2008 and the campaign to try to make a difference.

When The Cameras Are Off: Barack Obama’s Hurricane Katrina Record

It is nice that everyone is giving speeches and putting out ten-point plans to commemorate Hurricane Katrina. However, I’m more interested in knowing what people have been doing when the cameras were off. What is your record on this issue?

Here is Barack Obama’s record on rebuilding after Hurricane Katrina.

* Sept. 2, 2005: Obama holds press conference urging Illinoisans to contribute to the Hurricane Katrina relief efforts.
* Sept. 5, 2005: Obama goes to Houston to visit evacuees with Presidents Clinton and Bush.
* Sept. 7, 2005: Obama introduces bill to create a national emergency family locator system
* Sept. 8, 2005: Obama introduces bill to create a National Emergency Volunteers Corps.
* Sept. 8, 2005: Obama co-sponsors the Katrina Emergency Relief Act of 2005 introduced by Senator Harry Reid
* Sept. 8, 2005: Obama co-sponsors the Hurricane Katrina Bankruptcy Relief and Community Protection Act of 2005 introduced by Senator Russ Feingold
* Sept. 12, 2005: Obama introduces legislation requiring states to create an emergency evacuation plan for society’s most vulnerable
* Sept. 15, 2005: Obama issues public response to President Bush’s speech about Gulf Coast rebuilding.
* Sept. 21, 2005: Obama co-sponsors bill to establish a Katrina commission to investigate response to the disaster introduced by Hillary Clinton
* Sept. 21, 2005: Obama appears on NPR to discuss the role of poverty in Hurricane Katrina.
* Sept. 22, 2005: Obama and Coburn’s Hurricane Katrina financial oversight bill unanimously passes Senate committee.
* Sept. 22, 2005: Obama’s amendment requiring evacuation plans unanimously passes Senate committee.
* Sept. 28, 2005: Obama and Coburn issue statement about the need for a Chief Financial Officer to oversee the financial mismanagement and suspicious contracts occurring in the reconstruction process
* Sept. 29, 2005: Obama and Coburn investigate possible FEMA refusal of free cruise ship offer
* Oct. 6, 2005: Obama and Coburn issue statement on FEMA Decision to re-bid Katrina contracts
* Oct. 6, 2005: Obama co-sponsors Gulf Coast Infrastructure Redevelopment and Recovery Act of 2005.
* Oct. 21, 2005: Obama releases statement decrying the extension of FEMA director, Michael “Brownie” Brown’s contract. Obama calls Brown’s contract extension, “unconscionable.”
* Nov. 17, 2005: Obama and Coburn introduce legislation asking FEMA to immediately re-bid all Katrina reconstruction contracts.
* Feb. 1, 2006: Obama gives Senate floor speech on his legislation to help children affected by Hurricane Katrina
* Feb. 2, 2006: Obama introduces legislation to help low-income children affected by Hurricane Katrina
* Feb. 23, 2006: Obama issues statement responding to a White House report on Hurricane Katrina. Obama noted that the top two recommendations that the report had for the federal government were initiatives he had been working on since immediately after the storm hit. Obama called the administration’s response “delinquent.”
* May 2, 2006: Obama gives speech about no-bid contracts in Hurricane Katrina reconstruction
* May 4, 2006: Obama’s legislation to end no-bid contracts for Hurricane Katrina reconstruction passed the Senate.
* June 15, 2006: Obama and Coburn announce legislation to require amendment to create competitive bidding for Hurricane Katrina reconstruction for federal contracts over $500,000. Although it passed previously, the language was stripped in conference.
* June 15, 2006: Obama releases podcast about his pending Katrina reconstruction legislation in the Senate.
* June 16, 2006: Obama and Coburn get no-bid Hurricane Katrina reconstruction amendment into Department of Defense authorization bill.
* July 14, 2006: Obama and Coburn’s legislation to end abuse of no-bid contracts passes senate as amendment to Department of Defense authorization bill.
* August 11, 2006: Obama visits Xavier University in New Orleans to give Commencement address
* August 14, 2006: Obama and Coburn ask FEMA to address ballooning no-bid contracts for Gulf Coast reconstruction
* Sept. 29, 2006: Obama and Coburn legislation to prevent abuse of no-bid contracts in the wake of disaster passes Senate to be sent to President’s desk to become law.
* Feb. 2007-Present: As Obama begins his Presidential campaign he references Katrina as a part of his stump speech as he travels around the country in his familiar line, “That we are not a country which preaches compassion and justice to others while we allow bodies to float down the streets of a major American city. That is not who we are.”
* June 20, 2007: Obama co-sponsors Gulf Coast Housing Recovery Act of 2007 introduced by Senator Chris Dodd.
* July 27, 2007: Obama and colleagues get a measure in the Homeland Security bill that will investigate FEMA trailers that may contain the toxic chemical, formaldehyde.
* Aug. 26, 2007: Obama outlines a detailed Hurricane Katrina recovery plan.
* December 18, 2007: Obama calls on President Bush to protect affordable housing in New Orleans
* February 16, 2008: Obama releases statement on toxic Gulf Coast trailers

——–

http://thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com/2007/08/29/when-the-cameras-are-off-barack-obamas-hurricane-katrina-record/

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. Gosh, how shocking! A NeoCon and a NeoLib agree!! - Shocking as "water is wet."

NeoCon: "We're invading your country and killing your citizens for our good."

NeoLib: "We're invading your country and killing your citizens for your good."

“What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy.” - Gandhi

[MannyGoldstein]

11. This Is A Joke, No?

Tell me this is a gag post.

[GarbagemanLB]

17. Although posts by Hillbots are always humorous...sadly, they are rarely jokes.

[Barack_America]

29. Sadly it is not, Hillary went to the PittTrib.

And, as John Kerry just noted on This Week, that was where Hillary "spontaneously" decided to first mention (and push) the Wright issue personally.

That's our gal! :eyes:

[Maribelle]

32. Poor Kerry's tongue is so forked he can stick the ends in his ears

no wonder he couldn't hear the question she was asked in the audio portion of the interview with all those tongue tips in the way

[stillcool]

54. How many Liberal Democrats..

do you have a problem with? I don't understand why Clinton advocates feel the need to tear down the most effective and consistent Democrats in 'our' party. You may have no respect for my Senators but this is a Democratic Discussion Board. Do you really need to trash Democratic Party icons to push your bullshit?

[Maribelle]

69. Hillary is a Democratic Party icon

And on my part this is called push back against Kerry trashing Hillary

[stillcool]

72. Hillary Clinton is an icon?

representing what? My Senators have decades of experience working for social justice. Your attempts to demonize, distort, and belittle their record and their person is curious. I guess the Democratic Party is not nearly as important to you as Hillary Clinton is.

[Maribelle]

79. Oh brother ... Hillary was asked the questions. She did not, as Kerry has lied,

"spontaneously" decided to first mention and push the Wright issue personally

[stillcool]

99. whatever your opinion...

or perception of reality is not the issue. It is your penchant for demonizing good, decent Democratic Party representatives for your own petty agenda.

[dchill]

61. Well, it makes ME gag...

but I fear it's no joke.

[0007]

15. Ass kissing people

'0h another big one for such little gain, 'eh?

[UALRBSofL]

21. OP thanks for posting the article

Seems Clinton44 has a grasp on international issues and would be more effective dealing with them.

[K Gardner]

22. She made a deal with the Devil. Congratulations, "dear" Hillary.

[Recursion]

23. Vince Foster was a dragon?

Hey, if Scaiffe is worth talking to I guess we should take those accusations seriously now?

[greguganus]

25. !!!

:spray: :rofl:

[bowens43]

30. There is nothing hillary can do to redeem herself.

we all know what she is. the whole country knows what she is. We also know what she isn't. presidential material.

[indimuse]

34. What a great read.

The clips were insightful..thanks

[Faygo Kid]

105. You liked that read? How about reading this?

Scaife provides the brains and financing behind every right-wing organization from the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) to the Clinton-bashing American Spectator. Trashing Obama in an interview with a Scaife-owned newspaper is especially ironic, since it was Scaife who tried to destroy Bill's presidency. He financed a whispering campaign that suggested, for example, that the Clintons had murdered Vince Foster.

[slinkerwink]

35. so Scaife joins with her to destroy Obama. You know something's wrong with Hil when she gets

into bed with these folks.

[Maribelle]

40. Obama's interview is on the schedule. You might want to wait to see what Scaife does with that one.

Sheesh you Obama supporters sure to have ants in your pants this morning.

[wisteria]

68. If it is anything like the write up of his appearance in Greensburg, PA on Friday,

I'm sure it will be an attack piece. I will not link to the article of the town hall, but it was negative towards Obama. Someone else strangely was mentioned throughout in a more positive manner.
Face it, she and her husband have sold out to this paper.
This makes me despise them living in this area and knowing just what this paper is and who runs it. Absolutely vile development.

[tabasco]

37. As long as by "slay" you mean licking his ass

then, yes, you are right.

[Vinca]

47. How naive. nt

[40ozDonkey]

49. Look everyone! Leia defeating Jabba the Hut!

[Raffi Ella]

58. I'm so proud of her.

"...I have a very different impression of Hillary Clinton today than before last Tuesday's meeting -- and it's a very favorable one indeed."


I've heard that most people feel that way after they've met her. :)

[Kahuna]

59. Sucking up to someone who tried to destroy you is now a virtue???

Up is down, down is up in Hillary-land.

:crazy:

[wisteria]

62. That is from the Repub trash paper. Gee the likes of Scaife now like her.

What oh what did Bill and Hill do or promise to Scaife to warrant such praise? This says a lot about what the Clinton's will do to remain in power. Kinda makes me vomit a little in my mouth.
That paper is the lowest and absolutely hates Democrats. What does that tell you?

I live in the area of this paper's circulation and stopped receiving it years ago because it was so vile. And, unfortunately it is the only local paper that makes the rounds in Western Pa except for the more balanced Pittsburgh Post Gazette which has had trouble competing with Mellon-Scaife's million dollar soapbox rag.

[anonymous171]

63. Proof that her "fighter" posture is a lie.

[izzybeans]

64. She might want to slay that dragon currently ravaging her campaign finances.

[Faygo Kid]

65. Lovely. Maybe she can find a spot for Richard Mellon Scaife in her cabinet.

Not that she's going to get the chance to make such an appointment.

Still, who is next to endorse Hillary? She already has Coulter and Limbaugh.

Wonderful company she is keeping.

[saltpoint]

70. Edwards, Dodd, Biden, et al were also well-prepared on issues of

domestic and international importance, but their spouses had never been president, and they had far more modest budgets to work with.

I see no reason why any candidate should not be prepared on the issues and therefore see no reason why HClinton's interview here is anything more than ordinary.

Certainly it's not a rationale to vote for her for the Oval Office.

[Maribelle]

75. And most major newspapers interview the preisdential candidates before selecting which to endorse.

However, that is not the point of this OP.

[saltpoint]

77. But it was one of the OP's selected highlights.

Mrs. Clinton is unexceptional in the traits that persuade voters of true leadership and decidedly lacking in those areas compared to many or most or all of her 7 announced Democratic original candidates.

How is the Scaife affiliation sitting with you, by the way, Maribelle? This would be the Richard Mellon Scaife of the "vast Right Wing conspiracy" Hillary was warning us all about during the years of her husband's presidency.

[Maribelle]

81. Scaife has not endorsed yet. He will interview Obama next.

[saltpoint]

82. I understand the process just fine. I was asking into content.

[Emillereid]

74. Her new bed-fellows Scaife and Murdoch tell you all you need about her integrity or lack of it.

[Maribelle]

76. Oh? Scaife has scheduled an interview of Obama before he makes an endorsement.

Would that be OK with you if Scaife becomes a bed-fellow of Obama?

[Faygo Kid]

95. No, it would not.

It's one thing to interview with a paper, no matter how reprehensible. It's another to get the kind of love letter from Scaife that Hillary got today. Will she disavow it?

[Emillereid]

102. Not worried in the least - Scaife likes Hillary. The problem with Hillary

seeking out and accepting his endorsement is the underlying HYPOCRISY. Scaife is the man who led the "Great Right Wing" conspiracy that haunted Bill's presidency. There are simply certain compromises no one should make.

[Maribelle]

107. Most leading newspapers in the United States, perhaps the world, published just what the Tribune did

[DrFunkenstein]

78. Triangulation Vs. Framing

Obama wraps progessive ideas in the language of common sense. Clinton simply puts out a neo-con foreign policy agenda.

[intaglio]

80. If she has got Scaife on her side

how long before McCain offers her a VP slot in his "Unity" campaign?

and I really hope that I am joking :tinfoilhat:

[shadowknows69]

83. I'm so sick of this particular phrase

"it is time for Iraqis to handle their own destiny"

They were handling their own destinies until we came in and blew their country's infrastructure all to hell and made the Iraqi people prisoners in their own land.

[otohara]

84. So Glad Obama Has Avoided FOX

he was so smart to say he wouldn't go there until he won the nomination.

By going on Fox and now sitting down with this asshole was a dumb idea. Maybe her base doesn't have a problem with it, but I sure do. Pandering to the MSM slime that spent 8 years trying to take them down is first of all stupid because, who in her base watches Fox? I would hope all thinking democrats avoid that gossip news network would have that channel blocked.

Scafe says he's changed his mind about her because of one meeting. So fucking what? He misjudged her for 16 years, he is a pig!

[Tatiana]

103. Speaking of loyalty and "Judas..."

I guess Webster Hubbell and Vincent Foster have been relegated to "insignificance."

Scaife is slime. Period. For Clinton to cozy up to someone whose very character is as rank and putrid as Scaife's says to me that there are no standards, no limits to what she will do.