Hillary vows not to stop, but if enough SuperD's come out for Obama - can't they force an ending?

[RiverStone]

Hillary has vowed to take the fight all the way to the convention floor in Denver.

Maybe I'm stating the obvious here, but lets say Obama has a surprisingly strong showing in PA (loses or wins by a close margin) and subsequently cleans her clock in North Carolina and Indiana on May 6.

If in short order enough Super Delegates then come out in Obama's favor to either get to 2025 or damn close, would that force Hillary to end the dance even if the MI/FLA vote fiasco resolution was still under debate?

As an analogy, even if Hillary wanted to keep driving the car, she would be out of (delegate) gas with no place to go.

Can't the SuperD's turn out the lights on this contest - unequivocally - of their own accord before the Dem convention?

[dkf]

1. I'm beginning to think Samantha Power was

prescient in her description of Hillary.

Seriously, the woman does not know when the movie is over.

[Swamp Rat]

17. "All right, Mr. DeMille, I'm ready for my close up"

:D

[shadowknows69]

27. Heh

:thumbsup:

[Swamp Rat]

28. Way'at shadowknows69!

Howya doin' bro?

[shadowknows69]

30. Eh....hanging in there mate, you?

Trying to quit smoking on Monday (again) armed with a three step patch program. Wish me luck.

[Swamp Rat]

32. ¡Buena suerte!

Good luck! Just don't chew tobacco. It was harder to quick than smoking, for me.

Some say weed helps a lot. :D

[shadowknows69]

34. Whether it helps or not

There will be weed. B-)

[enki23]

2. they probably can't "force" it, but you have to be hopeful she'd come around

though, she really should have come around earlier this month already.

[gristy]

3. Yes

They can.

[DJ13]

4. I think forcing her out with a mass Obama endorsement is the only way

In fact, I think thats how she wants this to end (if she has no chance left), and her campaign is actively trying to push the SD's into such a move so Hillary can paint herself as a "tragic victim of the male dominated political scene" for posterity's sake.

Neocons always love playing the victim.

[2rth2pwr]

5. Of course they could.

[ampad]

6. No because she can use the argument

That the superdelegates should not decide the race for the people. I think she would use that argument. I don't know how well it would work.

[RiverStone]

10. But if the SD's, the pledged delegates, the total states won...

...and the popular vote ALL are in Obama's favor - Hillary could never say the SD's decided the race for the people.

On the contrary, the people decided the race and all the delegates simply followed.

[ampad]

16. I understand and I agree

Your argument is rational and IMO correct Hillary on the other hand has no problem flipping the script. Just like her saying FL and MI didn't matter then when it came to the point that she needed both states to get the delegate count up she once again flipped the script. I'm just saying, this might be an argument that she may try to utilize.

[AZ Criminal JD]

26. What happens when Hillary wins the popular vote?

The last primary is Puerto Rico. Two million votes. She can get a popular vote win after that primary.

[Zhade]

33. Very unlikely.

NT!

[AZ Criminal JD]

37. I wouldn't rate her odds on favorite but it could happen.

Then the Obama supporters will quickly have to reverse their logic. I have confidence in their ability to do that however.

[KittyWampus]

36. there is NO SUCH THING as a "popular vote" in a Primary that includes caucuses

[Zhade]

15. Um, she's using the opposite argument now.

NT!

[4themind]

7. I don't think they can force her

if the events aren't ratified until the convention she could conceivably stay in until then IIRC. Essentially daring the democratic party not to recognize michigan and florida. Regardless if this goes to the convention, I'd say the party is f*@ked (for this election and possibly beyond)

[totodeinhere]

19. But at that point even recognizing Mi and Fla wouldn't save her.

[frogcycle]

8. they don't vote until the convention

they can say whom they plan to vote for, and people can do the math, and it can be celar to most sentient human beings what will happen, but until the votes are cast, it ain't "over"

there have been others who campaigned on until the convention, showed up, got their name entered, made their points, got their votes, and then shut up when it was over. Kind of like a basketball team continuing to foul with under ten seconds to go and behind by ten points.

[RiverStone]

13. Ummm, I never thought that an endorsement does not equal a vote

But technically, your correct - they do not vote till the convention.

I assume an endorsement (see Bill Richardson for example) is as good as a vote??? But I'm not a delegate or on the rules committee. Maybe that is just that, an assumption.

If it looks like a duck, waddles like a duck, a quacks like a duck....it's a vote!

[frogcycle]

35. nooooooo

it is not a vote. It is a promise of a vote. With enough promises, one could certainly feel good, but you know that old saying about counting chickens?

[sandnsea]

9. There's only 8 states left

She only has a chance to win 3. It's freaking' OVER and his supporters need to own it and quit pretending PA makes a hill of beans difference.

They said she had to win OH & TX. She DIDN'T. Obama won TX. By their own standards, she lost.

Stop letting her move the damn goal posts.

[Cha]

11. hilary wouldn't stop talking about and denying

the Bosnia Sniper Story, either..until she was totally busted by CBS's VID-E-O.

[LiberalAndProud]

12. "Things are being done." - H. Reid

[rocktivity]

20. "Things are being done"?

What is this, The Sopranos?

:rofl:
rocknation

[LiberalAndProud]

22. "It will be done." - H. Reid

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_03/013399.php

[SoCalDem]

14. If the super D's make someone have 2025..it's techincally over

but I'm not so sure she still won't file lawsuits or fart in their general direction..just to muck it all up

[ampad]

18. Exactly

She will probably use the "establishment picking the nominee argument" even though she once said she had no problem with the super D's. I'm saying people should not be surprised as to what she will do at this point. She will probably file a law suit and throw the entire party into turmoil.

[L0oniX]

38. I expect her lawsuits. n/t

[stillcool]

21. If it weren't for lawsuits..

cheap tricks in the media, and the kitchen sink, I don't think anyone would have a problem with the race going down to the wire. I think the only reason for the urgency to end this shit, is because of the shit. But I don't think this has hurt the Democratic Party. There has been lots of revealing stuff in this Campaign season that I am glad were brought to light.

[BalancedGoat]

23. No they can't.

It would make it much harder to stay in and even harder to justify staying in. However, it's not officially over until the votes are cast and one person gets the required number. I don't see how anyone could justify her staying in past that point though.

[Cosmocat]

24. Yeah ...

that is it ... IF she was acting with any level of reason, if there was a forced early vote by the SDs that put Obama over the magic number, she would see that she was making herself look pathetic staying in ...

But, she is pretty much unhinged right now, so you just don't know if she will make reasoned decisions ...

[GoldieAZ49]

25. but with neither having the 2025 delegates she can take it to the convention

and I believe she intends to do just that

[Life Long Dem]

29. I'd say no it wouldn't.

She is in the same position now and is continuing.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

31. nope not until the SD's vote on the convention floor does it count