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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 02:57 PM
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Can someone please explain? Why TX caucus today?
Didn't they have their primaries and caucuses less than a month ago?

Thanks
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 02:59 PM
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1. Here's the explanation. I think Lewis Carroll developed the system.
Edited on Sat Mar-29-08 02:59 PM by Buzz Clik
http://www.texasobserver.org/article.php?aid=2697


How the Texas Caucus Works
Forrest Wilder | February 22, 2008 | Features
The 42 at-large delegates are selected through a three-month, three-tier caucus convention system that starts at the precinct level on primary night and ends at the state convention in June. Here is how the mind-bogglingly complex Texas caucus system works. Clip this out, take it with you to the polls, or, better yet, put it on your refrigerator as a monument to the wisdom of the Texas Democratic Party.

1. At 7:15 p.m. or thereabouts on March 4, after the polls close, those who voted in the Democratic primary and want to participate in a caucus will gather at a designated location, usually their precinct polling places.

2. The first order of business is for participants to sign in with their name, address, and voter ID number, and identify their presidential preferences or “uncommitted” status.

3. The chair announces the number of people committed to each candidate, as well as those “uncommitted.” (Each precinct receives one delegate for every 15 votes for Chris Bell in 2006.) Now, someone with a math degree calculates the number of precinct delegates allocated to each candidate. For example, if the precinct is entitled to 10 delegates and 60 people sign in for Hillary Clinton and 40 for Barack Obama, that precinct will send six Clinton delegates and four Obama delegates to the senatorial district convention. Note: A candidate must meet a certain threshold (calculated using the Party’s “E-Z Math Formula to Determine Threshold”) of supporters to have a “viable” caucus.

4. Individuals committed to a particular candidate break into separate caucuses to vote on who gets to attend the senatorial district convention as delegates or alternates. Individuals may nominate themselves or others.

5. This concludes the presidential portion of the precinct convention. Participants may now vote on resolutions or committee reports, or hit the nearest bar.

6. Twenty-five days later, on March 29, delegates from the precincts travel to senatorial district and county conventions held around the state. In all, there are 245 county conventions and 30 senatorial district conventions, the latter mostly in urban areas.

7. Here delegates and alternates are elected to go to the state convention. Like the precinct conventions, delegates at this second tier are allocated to the candidates based on the presidential preferences expressed on a sign-in sheet. For every 180 votes for Chris Bell in 2006, each county or district receives one delegate. More than 7,000 delegates will advance to the state convention.

8. On June 6, the state convention—the third tier of the caucus process—commences in Austin. Delegates from the counties and senatorial districts participate in a “written poll” to register their presidential preferences. As in the precinct and county/senatorial district conventions, candidates receive a proportional allocation of the vote based on the preferences expressed in the written poll. A candidate must achieve 15 percent of the delegate votes to be eligible to send delegates to the national convention.

9. The next day, on June 7, the 42 at-large delegates and six alternates are selected by a nominations committee from a pool of nominees to go to the Democratic National Convention in Denver in August.

10. To win a slot at the national convention as one of the 42 Texas at-large delegates, individuals must file statements of candidacy by May 21. Selection takes place at the convention, under the rules of an affirmative action plan that keeps a certain number of slots open for minority groups, including the disabled; African-Americans; Hispanics; Asian-Americans; Native Americans; lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered persons; and youth.

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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 09:53 PM
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10. Thanks. Thus, the 94 and 99 delegates assigned to Hillary and Obama, respectively
three weeks ago are not the correct number of delegates included in the grand total needed to win - 2020, I think?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 03:00 PM
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2. Don't MESS with Texas
:evilgrin:
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 03:01 PM
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3. This is the Party caucus to appoint delegates to the DNC.
Edited on Sat Mar-29-08 03:03 PM by ClassWarrior
Not the popular caucus. In our state there are primaries, then two Party caucuses in the subsequent months to winnow down to a handful the people who will be seated as delegates in Denver.

I imagine it's the same in Texas. A popular primary/caucus, then one or several Party caucuses to choose delegates based on the results of the popular contest.

NGU.


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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 03:04 PM
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4. If this is only to appoint delegates why are people posting that Hillary
is crushing Barack?
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 03:07 PM
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5. Are they? Apparently she's gaming the system to get them to switch.
The popular contest is only advisory. Delegates can do what they want. But if they go against the will of the voters, they risk a backlash.

NGU.


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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 03:10 PM
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7. Well, there was one post that said that. I clicked ignore
because I did not feel like being upset.
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 05:12 PM
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9. The voters backlash is trivial.
"Delegate" isn't something you usually campaign for ahead of time. They may not be chosen again in 4 years, but the precinct caucus I went to didn't have anybody claiming to have been a local delegate before.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 03:08 PM
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6. She isn't crushing him...
...the rural results are coming in before the urban areas.

She is doing well in many rural areas, but only 7 percent is reporting

It's Clinton 59, Obama 40--but that's with disproportionate rural areas reporting
and nothing from the urban centers.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 03:21 PM
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8. Yes, Texas...
Edited on Sat Mar-29-08 03:26 PM by TwoSparkles
...had their vote nearly a month ago.

The Texas process is two steps. They have a PRIMARY, then they have a CAUCUS.

Today, they are fleshing out the caucus numbers.

I'll give this a try...

Ok...when Texas had it's CAUCUS a month ago, many people showed up to caucus for Clinton
and Obama. Each precinct gets a certain number of delegates (based on population). The
number of caucus goers who show up determines how many delegates each candidate gets.

For example--let's say Precinct 10 in Tumbleweed, Texas has 10 supporters caucus for Hillary
and 3 supporters caucus for Obama. Precinct 10 is assigned 3 delegates. So--Hillary
would get 2 delegates and Obama 1. Get it?

So, the precinct picks 2 Hillary supporters and 1 Obama supporter TO BE DELEGATES and to attend the TEXAS
COUNTY CONVENTION. That is what is happening today.

All of those delegates, from all of the caucus precincts are meeting and being counted at the TEXAS COUNTY CONVENTION.

At the TEXAS COUNTY CONVENTION, a new, CONDENSED, delegate count is given. This process is similar to the
initial caucus process, when x number of supporters = x delegates. This is the COUNTY CONVENTION RESULT.

From there, Texas may have A DISTRICT CAUCUS...THEN A STATE CAUCUS...AND FINALLY THE
NATIONAL CONVENTION IN DENVER.

Each step in the process proportionally condenses the delegate count down----until
we reach the NATIONAL CONVENTION in Denver.

You can't send thousands and thousands of delegates to Denver--from each state. These
caucus conventions winnow down the delegate numbers at each convention stage. The theory
is--at the end, at the National Convention--the final delegates sent to the NATIONAL CONVENTION,
accurately and proportionally reflect the very first caucus result.

Does that make sense?
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 09:59 PM
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11. Actually, the first step was ALSO a convention, which then
broke up into caucuses. The delegates elected there were then at the County/Senatorial Conventions today, where we elected delegates to the state convention. The number of delegates allowed were based on the number of voters for Chris Bell (gubernatorial candidate in 2006).
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:00 PM
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12. I think so. What I wonder is, we have had a running tally of how many delegates
each of them has, with Obama leading by 150, or so, I think.

Do the 94 and 99 delegates, assigned to Clinton and Obama, respectively, are part of that grand total?
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:12 PM
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14. Good explanation ! Similar in my state except we do the county conventions AT the state convention.
We can do this since there are smaller numbers of county delegates and only 16 counties in Maine with a state population of only 1.3 million. At the state convention, we break out into county caucuses and winnow down to the state delegates who THEN choose the NATIONAL delegates who will go to Denver. IN other words, we did our local caucuses on Feb. 10th, and at the end of May we'll do our county conventions AND state conventions all at the state convention venue on the same weekend. In the end, the national delegation to Denver will reflect the initial local caucus result of
Feb. 10th. It's simply this winnowing process to get to that final number of state delegates to the national convention, but those pledged delegates who are sent to Denver will reflect the popular caucus vote from Feb. 10th. In the big picture, it's really not that complicated a concept. Just a process. All comes out in the wash. Essentially, today's county convention results in TX should reflect, in proportion, what happened in the local caucuses on the night of the primary early in March.
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readmoreoften Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:27 PM
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15. Also, this is some newfangled bullshit.
When I voted for Gore in 2000 there was no 'second vote.' (I was in NY in 2004 so I voted there.) Everyone here was confused by the vote-plus-caucus thing. You had to get a ticket to prove you voted, then return and show the ticket to caucus. Many older people who had never voted this way said "to hell with this crap, nobody get two votes."

It had a very strange feeling to it.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-29-08 10:00 PM
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13. it the teaxas 3 step...they get to vote 3 times
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