What if Hillary says after NC: "I'll quit if you make me your VP"?

[Alhena]

Assume Obama wins North Carolina by 10 points and then Hillary lets him know through her advisers that she's willing to drop out IF he chooses her as his running mate. Assume she also lets it be known that she otherwise has nothing to lose and would fight it out until the convention in August.

I say he has to give her the VP spot, although she's obviously not an ideal running mate. Her supporters will be angry enough as it is- if she tries to become his running mate and he rejects her then I expect many of them would turn to McCain. I also expect the party elders will put a lot of pressure on Obama to select her, in the name of party unity.

[anonymous171]

1. He has to.

And to be honest, I wouldn't really have that much of a problem with it.

[anonymous171]

7. Also, it would make him assassination-proof.

After all, what conservative would want Hillary CLINTON at the helm?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

32. no, it would increase his risks if she were VP

cause as VP she would be one heart beat away from the Presidency.

[uponit7771]

2. me 2, I just wouldn't be able to trust her...it'll be like Kennedy and LBJ all over again

[JKaiser]

3. I am a Hillary Supporter mostly But I love OBama and I will vote for who ever wins. GO DEMs

[Norrin Radd]

41. Stop being reasonable!

;)

[crankychatter]

4. he'll need a food tester

just sayin'

[jgraz]

5. Which part of "fuck her and the ex-president she rode in on" don't you understand?

She has no power here. None. The party is sick of the Clintons and their bullshit. Hillary Clinton will never be on a presidential ticket.

[Alhena]

9. 45% of the delegates at the convention is power, like it or not

[jgraz]

18. Like she said, the pledged delegates can vote for whomever they want

Do you really think every pledged Clinton delegate is still fully supporting her? I don't.

[lumberjack_jeff]

29. No power except for 20 million supporters, that is.

The arrogance of some Obama supporters is amazing. Perhaps you could try some of that outreach toward other democrats, and some of the vitriol toward some republicans.

I know, it's a crazy idea, but it just might work.

[jgraz]

30. Not all the 20 million supporters hate Obama

And honestly, do you really think all of those 20 million supporters are still her supporters? When she now has a 37% approval rating?

[lumberjack_jeff]

33. Not "all" - of course not. Most of the haters are already taken.

Hillary has supporters.

She has plenty of support to, at a minimum, negotiate terms.

I'd be happy if she offered to throw her unconditional support to Obama in return for actual universal healthcare. That concession combined with a return to the senate, is more clout than she could exercise as VP.

[jgraz]

34. What would you call someone who won't support the party unless their first choice is on the ticket?

Maybe "whiney little baby" is a better fit than "hater".

[lumberjack_jeff]

42. Yes. That is what I'd call them.

Take it a step further, what would you call someone who wouldn't vote for the party because the candidate for the other half was *anywhere* on the ticket?

I'll vote D regardless. I suspect there are many for whom having Hillary on an Obama ticket will make the difference when they get to the voting booth. I also suspect that many of them who would be inclined to vote for D's in congressional races while they're there.

[countmyvote4real]

35. I agree. The Clintons have spoiled themselves in this race.

I don't see how the Clintons can suddenly and credibly support the mathematically favored nominee. The Clintons are smart people. That means they are not delusional. They know what they are doing by dividing the party and putting support of the GOP lunatic nominee in play. They are in this thing for themselves. And that’s actually okay by me. I’m just more convinced when I might benefit, too. I just don’t believe her because of her campaign tactics. It’s more than clear to me that HRC is the likely McCain VP. Where does she have to go? She is clearly a sore loser, spoiler or under some kind of Joan of Arc delusion; none of which give me much confidence for change.

I like the idea of an Obama/Bloomberg ticket. I can’t say that it will happen, but it makes the most sense given the BS that the American public is subjected to on a daily basis. Or not. We don’t get access to information by our corporate controlled media. Thank you, President Bill Clinton for that.

That is the truth that I lived. I don’t recall any report that HRC told her POTUS husband that he should NOT deregulate the telecommunications industry.

I understand the current Democratic dilemma. However, the Clinton campaign seems more desperate than the Obama campaign. Did I say desperate? The Clintons are shitting all over the party and themselves for…?

What’s in it for them? Why do they need to return to the office? Is this the new drug?

[Cha]

6. NO Black Mail!

No more potential Bosnia by sniperFire Lies.

[jgraz]

12. But YES to the African-American Male!!

:P

[Cha]

26. Most definetly Yes,

to The Black Male! Obama dude guy!

[SKKY]

8. HRC reminds me of that Knight in the Monty Python film..

..."Oh alright! We'll call it a draw!" While she's standing there with no arms and no legs.

[woolldog]

10. Nope.

He's smarter than that. It'd be a nightmare to have her on the ticket and to be in the White House with.

She would have no respect for him or his authority and would be constantly trying to undermine him.

[goclark]

24. It would be like Princess Diana ~ there were 3 in the marriage

and that wouldn't work.

They would completely take over.

The Clintons are Republicans ~ hello.

They would be a direct pipe line to McCain and Co.

[Laelth]

11. I think that's a very unlikely scenario.

I just can't see Hillary and Bill playing second fiddle to Barack and Michelle.

However, if it did happen, I tend to agree that it would be in the best interests of the Party for Barack to accept that offer. Not sure that he would, mind you. He may have already promised the spot to Richardson or Edwards for all I know.

-Laelth

[Alhena]

13. A number of bloggers have said she wants the VP spot

[Laelth]

22. Perhaps so. I have no clue.

:toast:

-Laelth

[TheWraith]

23. If she does, this is absolutely the wrong way to get it.

If I were Obama, I'd not want her within a hundred miles of my ticket after all the bitter, nasty bullshit she's thrown. Not to mention not wanting a part of the partisan division her return to the White House would bring, or her massive negative approval.

[silverweb]

14. I hope not.

She would damage his credibility because hers is gone.

[lapfog_1]

15. Hillary does not help Obama in the fall

it might get some of her supporters to vote for him, but I think her negatives outweigh the positives. For every Hillary voter that decides to vote instead of stay home, there will be 1.5 McCain voters that would have sat this out... but now won't simply because there is a Clinton on the ticket.

Obama needs someone with foreign policy EXPERIENCE and who has been in the policy meetings and, hopefully, has some direct military command experience.

A Wes Clark or someone like him...

[Muttocracy]

16. Nope. She would hurt him more than help

She's done best in states that will go Dem. anyway. Racists who wouldn't vote for Obama will vote for McCain regardless of VP. Feminists who are mad at Obama would be nuts to vote for McCain instead.

Her baggage (deserved or not) and current campaign fiascos are a liability.

GOP would have a field day saying, look what a mess the Dem. leaders are, one minute they're hating each other and the next minute they want you to believe they'll work together. Hillary has made a nice set of McCain endorsement comments for him to use.

She can't blackmail her way into this.

[Swamp Rat]

17. Blackmail?

Like GHW Bushler and the GOP did to Reagan in 1980?

[emilyg]

19. Most unlikely she would want to be vp.

[rwheeler31]

20. How can she demand if she does not win?

[still_one]

21. As an Obama supporter I could go for that, but one thing I know we can't

let mccain win

[Colobo]

25. I'd say he would take it.

[williesgirl]

27. No fucking way. She'd never do that if she'd have been ahead. She'd have been screaming to the Dem

VIP's to force him out - period. I don't want her nor Bill anywhere near his presidency.

[TexanDem]

28. "You will be quitting anyway. You lost." She would hurt him.

[John Q. Citizen]

31. She won't say that. Obama wouldn't offer it under any foreseeable circumstance.

More likely is that sufficient supers endorse Obama so he wins it in one of the later contests.

I would think, if Hillary were running a civilized campaign, that having Obama win it on June 3rd, when MT and SD (Who share "last in the nation" status) vote, would be a great scenario for Democrats.

However, since Hill has repeatedly endorsed Republican McCain over Obama added to the fact she has engaged in repeated race baiting, I think getting her out of the race ASAP is a matter of survival for the Democratic Party.

There is no telling what a loose cannon like Hillary is capable of. And the worst loose cannons always think they are the sane ones. Go figure.

[countmyvote4real]

36. we are fucked. Thank you, HRC.

I don't see how the Clintons can suddenly and credibly support the mathematically favored nominee. The Clintons are smart people. That means they are not delusional. They know what they are doing by dividing the party and putting support of the GOP lunatic nominee in play. They are in this thing for themselves. And that’s actually okay by me. I’m just more convinced when I might benefit, too. I just don’t believe her because of her campaign tactics. It’s more than clear to me that HRC is the likely McCain VP. Where does she have to go? She is clearly a sore loser, spoiler or under some kind of Joan of Arc delusion; none of which give me much confidence for change.

I like the idea of an Obama/Bloomberg ticket. I can’t say that it will happen, but it makes the most sense given the BS that the American public is subjected to on a daily basis. Or not. We don’t get access to information by our corporate controlled media. Thank you, President Bill Clinton for that.

That is the truth that I lived. I don’t recall any report that HRC told her POTUS husband that he should NOT deregulate the telecommunications industry.

I understand the current Democratic dilemma. However, the Clinton campaign seems more desperate than the Obama campaign. Did I say desperate? The Clintons are shitting all over the party and themselves for…?

What’s in it for them? Why do they need to return to the office? Is this the new drug?

[WA98296]

37. No thanks. No need to be manipulated like that.

[Diane R]

38. He knows he can't trust Hillary. Now way she'll be his VP.

[eShirl]

39. where can she hinder his administration least: VP or Senate?

I'd say VP

[bowens43]

40. Hopefully he'll tell her to pound salt.

He wants to win the election, why would he do something that would ensure a loss?