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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 12:30 PM
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Time to give Hillary a break from Kos.
It's why Hillary Clinton constantly talks about the "fairness" and yes, necessity, of seating the Michigan Democratic delegation despite the fact that Michigan had anemic Democratic turnout and only one major Democratic candidate.

It also is definitely the reason why she and her campaign keep incorrectly referencing the "historic" voter turnout in Florida as she tries to seat their Democratic delegation and ignore the rules.

It's the reason Hillary Clinton seems to find it acceptable to use Republican scare tactics to advance her so-called "day one" credentials.

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And now, on March 26 2008, with the delegate math looking impossible and an extremely narrow chance of overcoming Barack Obama in popular votes, after declining to comment for a week, Hillary Clinton decided it was time to put her $.02 in about the Wright flap. After all - how is she to win when the lens of scrutiny shifted back to her and away from Obama?

She IS trying to win a race here, folks. That's something we should really keep in mind when we're so critical of the things she says and does.

Because after all - as long as she wins, by any means necessary, isn't that all that matters?

(links for each "charge" provided in the article.)


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/26/104555/955/7/484087
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 12:44 PM
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1. "Because after all - as long as she wins, by any means necessary, isn't that all that matters?"
In her mind and that of her supporters thats what is important.... Do anything to win, which includes cheating and lying if necessary.

No thanks, count me out.
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:00 PM
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2. Her lies? what about BO's lies about the Clintons? That's how
Edited on Thu Mar-27-08 01:12 PM by bellasgrams
he lost my vote saying all that race crap about them. He just spoke plan fact and BO turned it into a racist remark. And he's been fighting dirty ever since. I know I'll hear about this but it is true. In fact their is an article about that very thing today on the net.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:03 PM
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3. Isn't it funny how people see things differently? Rose colored glasses I guess. n/t
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Rubiconski2009 Donating Member (212 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:37 PM
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5. What lies?
He told the truth!! You just dont wanna hear it.
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bellasgrams Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:04 PM
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6. Here's something to think about..
March 26, 2008 at 06:53:48

The Obama Campaign's Strategic Blunder – They Made it Personal

by Angie Pratt Page 1 of 1 page(s)

http://www.opednews.com




When the Obama campaign made its claim of racism against Hillary after theNew Hampshire primary they made a booboo. A big one. Prior to that Clinton's supporters were open to entertaining a vote for Obama. Maybe he'd be OK.

The evening of Hillary's win in New Hampshire the claim came out that Hillary had somehow cheated. Somehow she had gotten white folks to vote for her because she was white and Obama was black. That claim was used to explain away Obama's defeat and set the stage for getting out the black vote in South Carolina.


The media jumped on it. It explained how they could have been so wrong. Chris Mathews and Keith Olbermann actually had to tone down their anti-Hillary rhetoric for a week or so. So this lie got repeated over and over again.

The result was the black community united behind Obama in South Carolina. Instead of getting at least 40% to 50% of the black vote that she probably would have gotten, Hillary got only 22%.

It worked. Obama had a winning strategy. If he could consistently get 80% to 90% of the black vote he'd be set.
Well … if it worked once … try it again. So the Obama camp called the Clintons racists again and again and again – at every opportunity.

The national media loved it. It fit with the stereotype that many wanted to tag Hillary with anyway – that's she'd do anything to win – including playing the race card. What black would vote for her if she'd stoop so low. Just goes to show that white folks can't be trusted.

All Hillary could say was “no I didn't.” As the Obama campaign knew/knows full well, disproving the negative is virtually impossible.

The problem with this approach and the strategic blunder for the Obama Campaign is that in the process of calling the Clintons racists they were also calling Hillary Clinton's supporters racists too. They made it personal.

Emotions boiled over. Blacks were mad because Obama was victimized by “mean ole Clinton.” Clinton's supporters were mad because they were being called racists too – most of whom had spent their lives trying to make themselves and this country colorblind.

Then the Rev. Wright revelation came out. In their tone deafness, Obama supporters tried to brush the issue aside by saying Rev. Wright was ACTUALLY typical – he wasn't an extreme example of black preachers.

"You mean it isn't just a few blacks who think that way?" asked whites to themselves and their friends. In so doing, Obama supporters inadvertently confirmed what had been whispered about in the white community for a long time – blacks are racists too.

Then the Obama folks made one more mistake. They went ahead and directly personalized the issue. In so many words they said, “if you can't understand, appreciate the context of Rev. Wright i.e., black liberation theology, then YOU (not just Hillary) are a racist.”

The response to that verbalized accusation by non-Obama supporters is/was perfectly predictable – “if you're going to call me one, I'm going to call you one.”

Nana nana boo boo!

Now many Hillary's supporters aren't going to vote for Obama if he wins the nomination. Remember those fabled moderates and independents that Obama said he'd be able to win? They aren't going to vote for him either. They got lumped together with the Hillary supporters and labeled racists too.

So much for being a uniter.

The Obama Campaign should have never played the race card. The consequences will reverberate well past the election.
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Mezzo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:20 PM
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7. Harry and Louise? Nooooooo...NOT BO. He's been fighting dirty from the start. nt
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:48 PM
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10. Mis-remembering?

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008
The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's
Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-

2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the
probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores
Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group
mentioned in the Obama stories."Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=1


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says. Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in
her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)



Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-

johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:49 PM
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11. Stop confusing the Clintonistas and Hillbots with the facts
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 01:32 PM
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4. If that's what it takes to beat McCain
Count me in.

You do realize she is planning to run against McCain, right?
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GumboYaYa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 05:22 PM
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8. Be clear...that is not from Kos..it is a post on Dailykos, but it is definitely not from Markos.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-27-08 07:39 PM
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9. my bad, I'm not a regular Daily Kos reader and just today realized
you have to read the name on the post itself

I'll be more careful next time.

I'd also heard Markos was supporting Obama so it made sense to me.
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