Just FYI: Chris Matthews is promising staggering new NBC/WSJ poll numbers at 7 p.m.

[Tropics_Dude83]

He literally used the word "staggering." He's probably just hyping up a poll that will not reveal much that we don't already know but he did say that to Norah O'Donnell at 3 ET on her show on MSNBC. Nightly news at 6:30 should have our first look at the info and then there's a hardball special report at 7 pm ET. It'll be interesting. Feel free to post the numbers here. All he'd say was that Bill Clinton's favorability ratings have plunged but I suspect this won't be the best poll for Obama, especially just post-Wright. I'd say Obama down by 5 to Clinton and Bill's ratings down significantly.

[jezebel]

1. last NBC poll done about 3 weeks ago had Clinton up 4. nt

[C_U_L8R]

2. The polls are gonna bounce all over the place

Just wait until they get a read on Hill's Bosnia fibbing.
It's gonna be a freakin' rollercoaster

[Tropics_Dude83]

3. Sorry I totally missed the first post on this-but I'll leave this up anyway n/t

[SoFlaJet]

6. agreed

Snipergate will not be factored in to tonight's numbers regardless of what they are-I'll be looking for new #'s this weekend

[Uncle Joe]

4. Tweety must be drinking again. n/t

[book_worm]

5. Whatever--if the poll was taken during Wright controversy and before Hillary's Bosnia snafu I'd

disregard it.

[Tropics_Dude83]

7. My guess

Is that it was taken 3-21/3-23 at the height of Wright so yeah it should hence most likely be disregarded.

[undeterred]

8. Why are they rating Bill Clinton- is he running for something?

Most supremely annoying ex-president? Most supremely annoying candidate spouse? Spouse you really don't want in the White House again because of his tacky behavior the last time?

[VolcanoJen]

12. You forgot...

... "Largest Sense of Entitlement: Third Term Category."

:-) Your post made me laugh!

Edit: I just thougth of another one:

"Outstanding Performance in Finger-Wagging"

[undeterred]

24. I forgot his best skill: Multitasking

Talking on the phone to a congressman, eating a slice of pizza, and receiving a blow job at the same time. Who thinks our current president could do 3 things at once?

[monmouth]

25. He was on the phone with one of the Fanjul brothers, big sugar

growers here in Palm Beach County and big donation guys to Clinton. We were NEVER to talk about it in the office...

[undeterred]

33. And you never did, right?

[monmouth]

35. No, we did not. Fanjuls are great people and Pepe was very upset.

I had a feeling if he found out jobs would be lost..

[Shakespeare]

37. Wait....this is the same family that runs some of the sugar plantations in Florida?

That would be the same family that has fought tooth and nail to prevent any restoration of the everglades (while simultaneously destroying them), and the same family that takes farm subsidies hand-over-fist and fights to prevent any competition from non-US sugar growers?

I won't speak to your experience as an employee of theirs--they may well have been lovely people to work for--but the other things they've done make it a little difficult for me to see them as "great people."

Edited to add a couple of links for anybody who doesn't know the background on this.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pubs/cashingin_sugar/sugar08.html

http://forests.org/archive/america/deelsour.htm

[monmouth]

41. Same people and when I say "great people" I do mean to work for.

I worked as a temp for about six weeks over the Christmas holidays and found the entire staff to be great. But you are right, Lake Okeechobee is also suffering greatly from the runoff.

[VolcanoJen]

43. I never even knew there was a segment of industry called "Big Sugar"

Of course, I immediately thought you were using a term of endearment! :spank:

Pretty damned fascinating, mommouth... we'd all love to hear more!

[monmouth]

44. All I heard (through the office girls outside in the parking lot...lol) was

that Clinton was on the phone with Pepe Fanjul discussing some sugar business (perhaps environmental issues, I don't know). When it came out in public that it was Pepe on the phone with Clinton at the time, Pepe was embarrased, humiliated and went to great lengths to make sure his name was never named by the Press as to who Clinton was on the phone with. The Fanjuls are very prominent, very highly repected PBrs and are very Democratic politically involved. The owner of Slim Fast is down here also and big money friend of the Clintons. Bill is here a lot (alone)....

[VolcanoJen]

45. Wow!!

Damn, monmouth, that deserves its own OP.

Fascinating!! Do the Fanjuls still support the Clintons, as far as you know? And the SlimFast owner, who I'd always heard was a big Clintonite?

[monmouth]

46. The Fanjuls support whoever can help them with their sugar business

and the backlash that is causing environmentally. They're very low profile and the only time I see them is in the Social Pages. They have a son-in-law, Jorge, who is very smart and handles the stuff politically in Tallahassee. The brothers are getting older like the rest of us, and Jorge has a lot of free rein and handles those mundane matters. I'm sure with instructions from the "boys" as they are referred. I'll abbreviate the followomg story and just give the facts. I used to work for a fashion magazine down here and one night one of our people was in a small club on Worth Avenue. Seated at a table near my co-employee was a trust fund guy with about three, four models from the shops on Worth Avenue.

The wine was flowing plentifully when in walks Bill Clinton and Slim Fast guy (apologize, his name escapes me right now) and Bills SS men. Trust fund guy knew Bill and got up and shook hands, hugged and all that stuff. One of the models, over-served at this point, started oooing and ahhhing over Bill and said quite loudly in this small very proper dining room..."Oh Mr. Presidnet, you are a doll, now wonder Monica gave you a BJ." Crickets, upon crickets. No one breathed. He looked a little stunned, smiled, said good-bye to trust fund guy, and he and his party headed to the private DR in the back. One thing about PBrs (99% Repugs), they are generous in many ways. As he headed back to the DR they stood up, politely applauded and shook hands with him. Made a very disasterous moment smooth out quickly.

My co-worker is a style writer and regaled this to us the next day. She said she was so upset (she's a Repug also)over the incident but then almost cried when the rest of the room made him feel welcomed....

[leftstreet]

9. Did Norah touch herself? That'd indicate good news for the Clintons

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

30. LOL This forum has gone plumb crazy!

very humorous!

[Cali_Democrat]

10. Question

Why do people call him tweety? What's the significance?

[stellanoir]

15. some people think he strongly resembles this

[Cali_Democrat]

18. Image won't load

I'm assuming its a picture of tweety bird?

[stellanoir]

23. Yup it was weird

That had never happened with a google image before.

I'll try another

[MADem]

11. Americans HATE OLD PEOPLE....!

A new poll from the NBC and the Wall Street Journal finds that voters have problems voting for a candidate of McCain's age, apparently far more than object to supporting either an African American or female candidate. MSNBC's Norah O'Donnell previewed the poll earlier today (the full results will be announced later tonight):

O'DONNELL: Here's what the voters think according to a brand new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released just this afternoon. 71% say Americans are ready to elect a woman as president, 20% say no. The results are nearly identical when voters were asked whether Americans were ready to elect an African-American as president. 72% said yes and 18% said no. We will have more on this NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll tonight.

We also asked about in that number about McCain's age and how many people want to elect someone his age. Less people want to elect someone McCain's age than want to elect an African-American or a woman. We're going to have more of those poll results. NBC Washington bureau chief Tim Russert will have more of those details on NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams and of course on Hardball tonight.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/26/poll-mccains-age-proble_n_93569.html

[VolcanoJen]

13. Whoah!!! Is this the poll Tweety's talking about?

Nice scoop, MADem!

[MADem]

27. Yep, that's just a piece of it, though, I think....I'm sure there's more! nt

[housewolf]

16. Hmmm... "HATE old people" might be a little strong here...

Most of us really love the old folks in our lives, we're just worried about someone "over a certain age" running the country...


:)

[MADem]

19. I was being deliberately hyperbolic (heh heh).....nt

[Raine]

17. People probably started remembering what it was

like to have senile Raygun as prez, now age really scares them. :scared:

[democrattotheend]

14. This poll is probably going to be bad for Obama

It's not a tracking poll, so it will probably have been taken a few days ago and not look so good. Let's be prepared for that.

[RamboLiberal]

20. Self Delete - another poster beat me to it n/t

[Pirate Smile]

21. He also made a comment that Obama's speech went over "well".

He is such a tease. Grrrrrr.

[Drunken Irishman]

22. I think it'll show Clinton up 10-15 points.

[CoffeeCat]

26. I predict a major Obama surge...

If Matthews defined these numbers as "staggering", I would suspect that they are
something that is atypical or unexpected.

Obama's numbers being down during the Wright situation wouldn't exactly be
a revelation. There were numerous polls released that reflected the Wright
controversy--which showed Obama's numbers down. There were even a few polls
released that show an Obama bounce/recovery due to his post-Wright speech.

All of the most recently released polls show Obama trending upward. Even the
PA polls have him within ten. He was down 23!

I bet these "staggering" numbers are a significant Obama bounce.

He's trending upward. Furthermore, there seems to be a general consensus in
the Dem party that this must end soon. Obama's advantage in pledged delegates/popular
vote--plus, the rest of the contests clearly point to an Obama win. Each candidate
has about 20 percent soft support, that could go either way. I'm betting that
we'll see Hillary losing support and Obama gaining.

Lastly, there was so much hype about Clinton throwing the "kitchen sink" at Obama.
Obama withstood the "kitchen sink" and I think that helped him--because it gave him
some much needed credibility with those who wondered if he was "tough enough". His
post-Wright speech demonstrated that he was not only tough enough--but that he is
dignified, intelligent and a man of integrity--underscoring his claim that he will
offer "a new kind of politics."

I think we'll see very strong "staggering" numbers for Obama.

[Barack_America]

28. I like your optimism.

But I am nervous. :scared:

[CoffeeCat]

34. Seriously, don't be nervous....

Many polls have been released during the Wright controversy--and even after Obama
gave his speech.

The WSJ wouldn't conduct a poll that would demonstrate numbers that have been shown
to us--many times during the past week.

They've got new stuff. Their polls likely reflect numbers AFTER Obama's speech
and the days after his speech that they were practically apologizing to Obama
for covering Wright nonstop. There was a pull back--and I'd bet $10 that
the "staggering" part is how much he's gained.

There's no way that Hillary will have any positive "staggering" numbers.
She's trending downward since Obama's speech--and has continued to slide. She'll slide
more once "pseudo-sniper" is factored.

Think positive!

[Catherina]

36. Me too n/t

[Barack_America]

29. Scarborough looks crestfallen!

Mentions plummeting poll numbers!

:thumbsup:

ETA: Plummeting poll numbers for Hillary, that is.

[loveangelc]

31. Ugh, I hope it's good for Obama, I am doing bad Spanish and I need to be cheered up :(

[Drunken Irishman]

32. I'm just glad my major doesn't need a foreign language, or I'd be fucked.

:D

[Barack_America]

38. Obama beats McCain! Obama beats McCain!

Hillary loses.

Hardly staggering, however. More of a relief.

ETA:
Hillary and Obama in a dead-heat at 45.

[democrattotheend]

39. Is it out yet? Or are these your predictions?

[David Zephyr]

40. McCain will be up against both Hillary & Obama because of Hillary's destruction of our Party.

I hope Hillary and Bill are very proud of themselves.

[goclark]

42. K isn't Tweety on yet?

I pray we see his leg jingling. :scared: