Obamanites and Clintonites- don't even THINK about starting to trash Gore.

[Guaranteed]

In the couple threads started about him, I caught just the tiniest whiff of partisan feelings for Clinton or Obama pushing people to start in on Gore.

But if you even TOUCH him, I will never forgive you.

There's only an outside chance of him being involved in the nomination in any way. But, no matter what, he is clean and he is IMPORTANT. Leave Gore the fuck alone.

[democrattotheend]

1. I have nothing against Gore

But I do not think it would be right for him to be given the nomination by the superdelegates when he has not had to campaign and nobody has had the chance to vote for or against him. Is that within bounds?

[Malikshah]

12. Some of your best friends are Al Gore. You know what's out of bounds?

Having the minions from both front runners so destroy the process and the party that folks need to have an adult come in and clean things up.

Notice I didn't refer to the candidates, but rather their minions.

Gore is the ultimate parent who may come in and say-- That's it. I'm stopping this country, kicking you minions out, and going on to victory. You'll have to find your own damn way home.

[terrell9584]

20. He can be a compromise candidate but he has no right to tell people to drop out

This is not the Soviet Union. No one has the right to tell a campaign they have to stop. That's part of the beauty of this country. If you can pay your qualifying fee and get enough people to support you, you have a right to run a campaign, even if that campaign angers the hell out of everyone.

It would be a bad day for this country if one person had the veto power to say "we won't let you campaign anymore". It's a bad statement for the whole process.

However, I feel in the end, we may end up having to have a compromise nominee, and Gore would certainly be on the shortlist

If he is the nominee, then that's a decision that will be made by the delegates to the convention, and such an outcome becomes more likely with each day.

[Malikshah]

29. Uh-- when did AL tell folks to drop out? Did I miss this headline?

????

[terrell9584]

62. Never said you did

but i have, in the last month i have been reading this site, in all of the back and forth, seen many Obama supporters say "Why can't whomever go to the Clinton's and tell them to step aside"

Basically, the idea that "someone in the party should tell them to step down", even though there is no way for either candidate to win the nomination without superdelegates. This is not a parliamentary system. Some may wish it was, but in this country, parties are just vehicles for campaigns to operate in, the theory being you at least share most of the core principles of the party you run in.

This whole process has been screwed up from the outset anyway. From the rush to move all primaries up, etc. The reason we are where we are now is because state legislatures had to all go and try to one up to each other with primary dates

[JuniperLea]

69. Methinks you are posting against the wrong OP...

Because what you just said makes no sense at all... no one is telling anyone to drop out... not on this thread anyway... and I might add that I detest all those posts... drop out for the sake of the party my lily white ass! Drop the whining is a better cry!

[JuniperLea]

67. Well said!!!

Very well said, indeed!

No candidate is ruining the party... it's all the damn whining by the minions! And they know who they are...

[JuniperLea]

65. This isn't a beauty contest...

And it's not a football game either.

Didn't have to campaign? Well, what does that tell you? It should speak volumes.

[GodlessBiker]

2. There is no reason to trash him. He is a private citizen not running for anything.

[DJ13]

3. I like Gore, but if he didnt run he doesnt deserve the nomination

Its not rocket surgery.

[islandmkl]

6. or even brain science....

[TheDebbieDee]

9. "Its not rocket surgery."

Did you mean to type that? I think it's funny as heck!

[DJ13]

14. Did you mean to type that?

Yeah, but its not mine.

I heard it on the radio a few months back.

I liked it too, so I use it on occasion.

:hi:

[knixphan]

39. i just saw a logo for a company that took that...

it is funny

[frogcycle]

68. deserve has nothing to do with it

this is not a fucking game show and they don't get a fucking prize

we need a fucking president who will not take us the rest of the way off the cliff

if the means to that end is "none of the above" then WE deserve him (or some other) as candidate

all their hard work and their supporters work might then be for naught. well, tough shit. I worked hard for Biden.

[JuniperLea]

70. Why? Because he bucked the system?

You know the one... the one where the only people who really benefit are the MEDIA who get all the campaign money for ads? The one where party throwers and bumper sticker makers make a killing? The one where people sit around cheering because one candidate made more money for their campaign than the other.

If Gore were to do this, it would be REAL change!

[stray cat]

4. Why would one - he isn't running for anything and is unlikely to do more than endorse someone

he isn't part of the picture

[BelgianMadCow]

5. He has my undying respect too. First rec.

Can you elaborate on that outside chance? I seem to have missed that

:hi:
bmc

[Yes We Did]

7. I like Al, and haven't heard anything like that on here.

[Nitrogenica]

8. There are fake DU-ers on both sides name calling to get us to fight with each other.

Just saying I would expect it from them.

[JimGinPA]

30. "Obamanites and Clintonites"...

That's not name calling?

:shrug:

[lumberjack_jeff]

37. No. And he's right. n/t

[JimGinPA]

50. Maybe You're An "ite" But I'm Not

[Nitrogenica]

51. I agree, not an "ite" here either. It's disgusting to label like that.

You'll never see me do that. At my worst I accuse people of acting like freepers.

[lumberjack_jeff]

54. Disgusting? Meh.

Any day that my Hillary avatar doesn't get me called a bigoted ignorant party-hating racist is a good (albeit infrequent) day.

[SoFlaJet]

52. me?

I'm a DEMOCRAT not an Obama person, a democrat

[Nitrogenica]

66. Thank you. That nails it.

[JuniperLea]

71. No

Quit with the hair splitting, please.

[XemaSab]

10. Gore is one of my political heroes

but I would feel uncomfortable if he became the nominee.

Obama has worked really hard for it, and I'd hate to see him thrown away by the party.

[JuniperLea]

72. Riiiight... like it was unfair to Bush to continue counting the votes in Florida...

Anyone who professes to want change should embrace this sort of change.

[XemaSab]

76. I'm not sure how this comment is responding to what I said.

:shrug:

[JuniperLea]

83. "Obama has worked really hard for it, and I'd hate to see him thrown away by the party."

This is saying it wouldn't be fair to Obama.

[XemaSab]

84. That's what I said, yes

But comparing that to it being unfair to Bush to count all the votes in Florida... doesn't follow.

If Hillary was ahead by 100+ delegates, would it be fair to take it away from her and give it to Gore? :shrug:

Gore totally should have been president in 2000. The election was stolen from him by the BFEE. But for the 2008 election to be taken away from Obama (or Hillary) seems like another wrong to me.

[JuniperLea]

86. You mistake me for a Hillary supporter...

I think both current candidates suck out loud...

Fair? Is it fair to the country to have to settle for Obama or Clinton? Is it fair that we were saddled with BushCo for eight years? Is it fair that my great-great grandkids, and yours, will be paying for BushCo's massive and multiple fubars for the rest of their lives?

What we need is REAL change. If there's a way to sway all those votes, hell yes! I'm all for REAL change. The fact that it CAN happen points to the need for the entire system to be overhauled. It would take something just this drastic to make that happen.

I don't see Hillary or Obama making any real changes.

[Cali_Democrat]

11. I love Gore and would fully back his candidacy

But people have a right to disapprove of him IMO. Freedom of speech.

[Guaranteed]

40. If people don't want him to run, there's no reason for them not to say that.

But to try to politically poison him or attack him when he has totally avoided all this garbage would be disgusting.

[tkmorris]

45. Freedom of speech?

No one tried to call it unconstitutional friend. Merely beyond the pale. And it is.

[TheDebbieDee]

13. I'd feel that our country would be in very good hands

with Mr. Gore.

Even though he managed to avoid the pain of a Primary, I'd be more than happy to support him if he were drafted.

[JuniperLea]

73. Support change!

This would be REAL change, right?

[kwenu]

15. I like Gore too but the only people I'm willing to vote for are the people who ran in the primary.

We're electing a president not a pope.

[Emillereid]

16. Although I am for Obama now (first wanted Gore to assume his rightful

presidency, then Kucinich and then Edwards), I don't think Gore as the nominee would fly among the millions of people who have worked hard for Obama. I have come to see Obama as a very special man for this time in history. But I would hope Obama would make Gore something like environmental czar or super special advisor to the president or something huge. I still love Gore and Tipper. Gore has only grown in esteem since 2000.

[JuniperLea]

74. If they supported REAL change instead of fake campaign change...

I don't see why they wouldn't support this.

[my3boyz]

17. I like Gore

He should be finishing up his 8 year term instead of that __________ we have in there now.

[george_maniakes]

18. he'll get trashed if he chooses a side, guaranteed.

i'm biased though, i think he would get trashed more by hillary supporters here, since from ive seen here, certain people who support obama are essentially traitors. I havent seen that same attitude among obama people.

[Guaranteed]

24. But he hasn't chosen a side. And he won't. He is off-limits.

Those who would poison the well of his goodness for all of us, on the outside fear that he might pose some kind of threat, do not deserve to call themselves Democrats.

[JVS]

28. Remember when he got trashed for endorsing Dean last time.

Whoooooo. That was ugly.

[george_maniakes]

36. Exactly. Off the top of my head i can see some people saying crap like....

"he gave in too quickly in 2000, he let bush steal the election" or some crap like that. From what ive seen from democrats in general around here, you guys eat your own with a real zest.

[Guaranteed]

46. See post 33, the mild version.

I won't argue with it- but that's the start.

[JuniperLea]

75. You must be blind...

I've seen so much Kool Aid poisoning among the Obama minions it's not even funny.

[Swamp Rat]

NeoGore is the One

:D

[Guaranteed]

32. And he's deliberately kept himself out of this mess.

He is not to be shit-splattered when he hasn't even said anything about the nomination, and the chance of his involvement is so low anyway.

[Swamp Rat]

59. 2012

;)

[bigtree]

19. good luck with that here

[11 Bravo]

21. Agreed. (But you know it will happen anyway if he announces.)

[stillcool]

22. But every other prominent

Democrat is fair game. If Al Gore speaks out in support of Hillary he's cool. But if he dares say a syllable in favor of Obama he goes under the bus. Sorry.

[JuniperLea]

81. Oh jeez! Quit making shit up...

Are you so into the angst that you will make up trash like this to justify your hate?

[stillcool]

87. make up?

are you 'mis-remembering'? John Kerry, Caroline Kennedy, Ted Kennedy..remember that? You might want to think about why you see 'hate' everywhere.

[lumberjack_jeff]

23. Why? Because he's a democrat?

That certainly isn't reason enough lately.

I like Gore. I like Edwards. I like Hillary. I like Kucinich. I like Obama.

I prefer Hillary given that she's one of the last two standing. Because of that preference, in Lord of the Flies 2008 which DU has become, the Obama steamroller operators "shouldn't care one bit about my vote".

Taking smug to new extremes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5268256&mesg_id=5269314

We're supposed to hate everyone - but especially anyone who's been a democrat for more than one election.

[Guaranteed]

27. Because he's pretty much the best thing our party and country have going for them. nt

[lumberjack_jeff]

34. When I take a slow 360, it seems he's the only thing this party has going for it. n/t

[JVS]

31. Because him being cheated of the presidency by the SC is this website's raison d'etre

[crankychatter]

25. I like Gore

and if the party "selects" him through their magic, intricate, winky wonky process

I'll probably vote for him

but if Obama wins the popular lead and leads in pledged delegates

you're still going to fuck up a good thing

and I couldn't care less who you forgive

What's up with that act Butch?

[Jed Dilligan]

26. He would be my #1 choice if he was in

so no worries here. I would hope he picks Obama as his VP, though.

[Buzz Clik]

33. I can see it now -- the "Leave Al ALONE!" video on YouTube.

Al had his chance. We got W instead. It gave Al time to work on global warming, which is just perfect.

[Cha]

35. That's nice...Obama people are like

Gore people..after the facts.

[shaniqua6392]

38. I wish Mr. Gore would come and save us

from this insanity. I love him and would vote for him in a heartbeat.

[backscatter712]

41. I have no problem with Gore.

He's a decent person, obviously very passionate about the environment.

It's just that he's not running for President. Judging by how vicious this campaign season is already, I can't say I blame him. My support is going to the best person that is stepping into the ring.

[Lucky 13]

42. Hmmmm

I'm somewhat perplexed by this post as I have not witnessed any "Gore bashing" myself. Nor would I tolerate it either - the same way I won't tolerate bashing of Dean, Kerry or Richardson.

I truly love and respect Mr. Gore and I joined the DRAFT GORE movement some months ago. He had won the Nobel Prize, and many other awards and is respected world wide for his work on Climate Change. He was probably at the peak of his worldwide popularity then and I felt that going against ANY Republican, he'd win in a landslide. After Edwards backed out, I wrote a personal letter to Mr. Gore BEGGING him to run. I know, he probably never read it or got it, but it was nice and cathartic for me.

Had you asked me a week ago, I would have said, yes, maybe he's the solution. But for the first time, I think we truly see evidence of the Clinton campaign admitting they are crumbling. I have nothing to base this on other than a gut feeling, but I believe that she will either drop out or the party will FORCE her out very shortly. She will soon become a non-issue.

IF that happens and Obama is named the nominee before the convention, I think it might not be constructive at this point for Al to come in. Obama's already laid the groundwork and has rallied a HUGE number of typically disenfranchised voters. Having Al come in and pushing Barack back to VP could come off really wrong. Like even though Barack won, he still has to go to the "back of the bus". Or like we had to call in "daddy" because we didn't feel like the "kid" could handle it.

IF it happens that we go to the convention deadlocked and MANY people from both sides defect away from Obama and Clinton to Gore, then I think it's a viable option. But only if there is OVERWHELMING support for it.

So... while I love Al Gore, I'm not sure him jumping into this dogfight would be good for anyone. But you'll never hear me say a negative word about that man and any Democrat that does should be excommunicated. OR whatever.

[Guaranteed]

44. Great post. Agreed on all points. nt

[elocs]

43. I have great admiration for Gore, but he is a public figure and not simply a private citizen.

He uses his status as a much admired public figure to further his warnings on global warming with books, documentaries, concerts, etc. You cannot have it both ways--being a well known public figure with well known point of view with goals and agendas concerning battling against global warming, yet at the same time be a private citizen who is above being criticized.

I have heard and read of talk of a brokered convention which ultimately turns to Al Gore. I think that he would be one of our influential Democratic leaders who will step in with his own opinion on the matter in an attempt to prevent that from ever happening. He picked a side in 2004 and may ultimately do the same thing now.

I do not support an Al Gore draft by the Democratic convention. To do so would be to disenfranchise the millions of us who have already cast our votes for candidates who have worked long and hard to win the nomination. Not only Clinton and Obama, but also ones like Kucinich, Edwards, Biden, Richardson, and Dodd. That being said I do not believe that we will ever have a brokered convention and that we will have a nominee before then and I will vote for the nominee of the Democratic Party.

[book_worm]

47. Gore is a superb person, but he won't be the nominee.

[IDemo]

48. Al would have been faraway my first choice, HAD HE CHOSEN TO RUN.

You can hold your breath until red states turn blue, but this fantasy of Gore entering the convention with a singing choir in the background is utterly unbelievable. The disenfranchisement of millions of Obama and Clinton supporters means nothing though, right?

Al has become the kudzu of GD-P lately. He's going places!

[The Ghost]

49. uh oh, too late, i THOUGHT about it

n/t

[northernsoul]

53. I am/was unthrilled with his Leiberman VP pick, and his PMRC dalliances

But neither criticism seems apropos of anything right now.

[Uncle Joe]

55. I believe Al Gore knew he would bring this on him self, BullGooseLoony,

when he championed opening up the Internet for the all the people only to be trashed, slandered and libeled by the corporate media for strengthening the voice of the American People at the expense of the mega wealthy corporate media conglomerates and their one way form of communication.

As the Internet grew in power and influence, this threatened the corporate media's monopoly on information, influence, money and the power that goes with that in the prime of the Information Age.

I believe the corporate media have by no means given up, they will transfer the fight to the Internet in order to neutralize the growing power and influence of the people.

I suspect some posters will be sent here and elsewhere for that very purpose.

It must also be stated some people have a sincere reason to criticize Al Gore as he's only human and capable of mistakes. To those people I say do that with the thought in mind that Al Gore fought and paid a heavy price to enhance their ability to do so in front of the entire world.

[JuniperLea]

79. Yep!!!

The media is the sole reason for candidates to raise money! All the cheering for whomever raises the most money just makes me sick!

[zalinda]

56. I would LOVE Gore to become the nominee

Many have said that he didn't "earn" it like our other 2 candidates. But, he did. He ran in 2000 and won. The fact that he was robbed was not his fault.

As far as the public not getting who they voted for. Ah, hello, the vast majority of primary voters didn't get to vote for who they wanted, they had to vote for the leftovers. So, don't even go down this road, when the voters choice was taken away by the candidates who kissed the most corporate ass to get bankrolled.

Oh, and if Clinton wins then Obama worked for nothing, and if Obama wins, then Clinton worked for nothing. If Gore wins, we have someone who has worked for 8 years to not only better our country, but the whole damn planet. So, who has worked the hardest?

zalinda

[Guaranteed]

58. Another great post. nt

[JuniperLea]

77. That is the name of the game!

Well said!

[mmonk]

57. I love Al Gore and support Obama.

If Gore had ran, I would have supported him.

[MadBadger]

60. I Love Al Gore and wanted him to be President for the longest time this cycle

but if he somehow is the nominee, I will feel like the nomination was stolen from everyone who voted





































Though i'd get over it in two weeks and enthusiastically support him probably.

[Hatchling]

61. I hope he doesn't endorse.

If he endorses Hillary, I will feel vindicated, but a lot of people will be quite upset. If he endorses Obama, I would be very disappointed, but accept it as his choice. It would make me take another look at Obama.

If he is the solution our party comes up with to unite us allonce again, I will be glad to support him. I was a Gore to Kucinich to Biden to maybe Edwards to Hillary. So going back to my first choice would keep me content.

[Blue-Jay]

63. Damn. I was just getting ready to trash Al Gore.

WTF are you going on about?

[JuniperLea]

64. Where do I sign up???

I'm with you, BullGooseLoony! The Kool Aid poisoning around here is reaching epidemic proportions... and if they spill any on Gore... well, they just better not, that's all!

[Hawkeye-X]

78. Gore is still my guy, backwards and forwards

If he jumps in, I will enthusiastically work for him. But you know he's not touching this election with a 10 foot pole.

Hawkeye-X

[Starbucks Anarchist]

80. Nothing means more to me than your forgiveness.

:eyes:

[Alexander]

82. Trash him? He was my first choice. I'd be ecstatic about a Gore/Obama ticket.

[Nia Zuri]

85. What the hell did he do to deserve the nomination? Nothing!

Al Gore is not my personal saviour, unlike many here. I admire and respect his visionary work on global warming, but does that merit him being handed the presidency. Yes it was stolen from him in 2000, bu tthat was then, this is now. This is a different country. If he were somehow magically granted the top of the ticket (fat chance) can you imagine the uproar? I know there are many who love his dirty drawers, but really now, he didn't work for it. No one voted for him.

[eileen_d]

88. Thank you!

I agree with everything you have said. (Except maybe the dirty drawers part) :evilgrin:

[arrested_president]

95. He Means Nothing To Me

didn't vote for him

not impressed

don't want him as prez

he's not even on my radar enough to insult - he's a non-entity in my world

kinda like Jesus and any other saviour


i'm just not interested

[Warren DeMontague]

89. Not gonna get it from me. Al Gore is a hero and a great American.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

90. What BullGooseLooney said!

And if those pathetic, dithering, cocktail-party-weenie-eating, not good enough to smell his socks "journalists" who saddled us with the WORST PRESIDENT IN HISTORY as opposed to the guy who went on to win a Nobel and an Oscar, even START trying to gin up their old-fashioned Rove-Turbo 2000 Smear Machine, I will do everything in my power to expose them as the Village of Idiots they are!!!

[Tatiana]

91. Let's see...

Most experienced? Yep.

Ready on "Day One?" Yep.

Fully vetted? Check.

Good judgment? Uh-huh.

Accomplished? Oh hell yes.

I support Barack Obama, but Gore paid his dues, won a presidential election, understands and respects the Constitution, plus is the embodiment of everything we want in a Democratic leader. If Obama can't get it on the first or second ballots, then hey... Gore as the nominee would only be an upgrade.

Here's a real fighter. He never gave up on this country or its citizens even in the wake of the past 8 years of hell.

[Guaranteed]

92. That's right. And unlike other leaders, he didn't run from the leadership

vacuum when times were tough. He stood right up and said what needed to be said, and LOUD.

[Kahuna]

93. They best not start in on my Al Gore if they know what's good for them..

x(

[Orsino]

94. His problems are well-documented, real and imagined.

I think he's pretty great, too, but he deserves scrutiny in proportion to his involvement in politics--just like everyone else.

[ecstatic]

96. I wouldn't trash Gore, I would trash the entire process

People sacrificed to go out and vote. Al Gore's name was not on one single ballot.

Is the idea of Al Gore swooping in and becoming the nominee even precedented? Or would the first and only time be when a black man has the most delegates? :shrug: Compromise candidate? I would never vote democratic again! And it's nothing against Al Gore, it would be due to the farce this party has become.