As a veteran, I want an apology from Hillary for her LIE about

[cliffordu]

being under sniper fire while in Bosnia.....

I don't want any more excuses
I don't want any more quibbling
I don't want any more confabulation
I don't want any more changing the subject
I don't want any more bullshit about her "foreign policy experience"


I don't want to hear another fucking word out of her until she gets up to a microphone and APOLOGIZES to every veteran who has ever stood the test of live fire, and the FAMILIES of veterans who have had their loved ones killed in battle. Particularly the families of veterans who have been shot to death by REAL snipers in REAL combat situations, not the ones she wants to make up to look like she is more than a petulant rich girl who thinks the Presidency of the United States of America is another bauble for her charm bracelet.

[LakeSamish706]

1. No offense, but I would not be holding my breath for that Apology if I were you. n/t

[cliffordu]

2. Yeah, I know....

I can't remember the last time she apologized for anything.

[slinkerwink]

3. kicking

[grantcart]

PA has quite a few veterans - I wonder what they think about it?

[Yael]

7. Heres one story that is quite compelling. Female Vet who was in Tuzla that day

http://pennsylvaniaprogressive.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/03/bosnian-vet-acc.html

[Apollo11]

4. Personally, I think it's worse to take credit for something you did not do.

Washington Post - March 24, 2008

Both Obama And Clinton Embellish Their Roles

By Shailagh Murray and Jonathan Weisman

After weeks of arduous negotiations, on April 6, 2006, a bipartisan group of senators burst out of the "President's Room," just off the Senate chamber, with a deal on new immigration policy.

As the half-dozen senators -- including John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) -- headed to announce their plan, they met Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who made a request common when Capitol Hill news conferences are in the offing: "Hey, guys, can I come along?" And when Obama went before the microphones, he was generous with his list of senators to congratulate -- a list that included himself.

"I want to cite Lindsey Graham, Sam Brownback, Mel Martinez, Ken Salazar, myself, Dick Durbin, Joe Lieberman . . . who've actually had to wake up early to try to hammer this stuff out," he said.

To Senate staff members, who had been arriving for 7 a.m. negotiating sessions for weeks, it was a galling moment. Those morning sessions had attracted just three to four senators a side, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) recalled, each deeply involved in the issue. Obama was not one of them.

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/23/AR2008032301706.html

[Ichingcarpenter]

5. Bosnian Vet Accuses Hillary of Valor Theft

A veteran of Bosnia who was at the event in Tuzla where Hillary Clinton falsely claimed to have landed under sniper fire is accusing the Senator of theft of valor. As General Walter L. Stewart Jr. of the Pennsylvania National Guard said earlier today on a conference call, soldiers who actually have been in war zones and performed under fire deeply despise those who falsely claim such valor. They feel this way because it attempts to cheapen or make less, their real and actual valor.

The General pointed out "this wasn't an emergency resupply mission to the Alamo. If there had been any danger that mission wouldn't have landed."

Common sense tells us the First Lady and Chelsea would never have been put in harms way by our military. Hillary's tale of bravery and valor, because it was false, is finding resentment among those who actually did serve and Tammi K. (nee Jann) Hertherington who was at Tuzla when Senator Clinton landed is one. Here is her story.

Dear Sir,


I feel compelled to write to you in regards to Senator Clinton’s remarks regarding her visit to Bosnia.


I was present at the base in question when the First Lady visited and am intimately familiar with the situation on the ground at the time. It strikes me as beyond misstatement or clarity of memory for Senator Clinton to suggest that this visit in any way compares with the reality of those of us serving in theater experienced or presented a threat to her or her daughter.


As a service person in the US Army, I was deployed to Bosnia immediately after the Peace Accord was signed and served there for eleven months in 1996. I was there at Tuzla Air base when the First Lady visited, and there was no sniper fire or anyone running under cover. I saw both the First Lady and her daughter in our headquarters building (we called it the 'White House'). When I saw them in the lobby of our Headquarters neither her or her daughter had on the "Flak" vests which even we were required to wear at all times when not inside a building.


It was my fortune to be working in the Headquarter building as a Communications Specialist, and while I did go out to the ZOS (Zone of Separation) once and lived under "Full battle rattle" rules, I would never in any way compare my experience with those who daily risked their lives. That was the M.P.'s who went on daily missions trying to round up weapons and militant individuals who opposed the Peace Accord and the contract workers who aided the Multi-National forces in trying to rebuild the infrastructure (bridges, communication, water) that had been blown up. If, as I believe, it is improper for me to compare my involvement with those who took the bulk of the real risks it is even more improper for any visiting dignitary to compare their own for any reason, let alone for personal gain.


I am quite angry that what I and my fellow soldiers worked to achieve should be used as a playing card to build up a political nominee and tear down another. This is not what those of us who actually risked our lives were working for, we were trying to maintain a Peace Keeping mission in a country that had been ravaged by ethnic cleansing. To trivialize the atrocities suffered by the real people I met in that country for political gain is beyond my ability to comprehend. I met mothers who had lost their children and children who had lost their parents. The sheer leap of credibility that the First Lady would have brought her daughter into an active war zone is an insult to the people there who suffered more than real risk, they suffered real loss.


I did have contact with some of the general population on a daily basis. Many came to work for the Military in custodial capacities. Many carried all that they possessed in plastic bags every day. They brought their own food and cooked daily on little burner plates. I was constantly amazed at how upbeat and optimistic some of the people were in spite of things. It still is hard for me to think of Srebenica and all of the women who lost husbands, sons, and fathers because of religion and nationalistic fervor.


My father still works as a Civil Servant at WOMAK on Ft. Bragg, NC and a couple of years ago he met a Bosnian woman and her daughter, who had lived through the worst of it. They got to talking and found out that I had been over there and told him to tell me 'thank you' for what we had done. It still humbles me and chokes me up a little to know that even after all of these years there is appreciation for our past efforts.


I was simply a soldier doing my job in Bosnia and I believe in what we accomplished there. I do not either want to make of my service more than it was nor to denigrate those who served with me and those who lived through more than any of us. It seems to me that if I simply stand by while others “spin” their involvement for their own personal or political ambitions that I would be contributing to the slander of my fellows in arms and the people we were working to help in Bosnia, so I offer you my personal experience of the reality of the situation.


To verify my story I have included a copy of an commendation I received for service in the Bosnian theater during that period. It would be my honor to provide you more of my perspective if it would serve to deliver the truth to the American people.

http://pennsylvaniaprogressive.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/03/bosnian-vet-acc.html

someone else can post this I'm out of my 3

[Yael]

9. I got it

ETA link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5265534

[hell-bent]

6. As a veteran, I don"t any more Repuke lies about the Clintons.

[cliffordu]

10. What's that smell??

Oh! NOES111!!!!1!1!1

Its a duMP'er from over at the "Capitol Hill-ary" group, come freepin' round here, looking for a little of that hot 'n steamy Democratic Leadership Council goodness.

Here. Lemme help you out.

:hurts:

[DevonRex]

8. As a veteran I agree completely. nt

[Submariner]

11. As a Veteran I don't want an insulting DLC DINO like Hillary

at the helm because she will cause more needless military deaths in Iraq to try and show what a badass she thinks she is. She is a repuke shill in Dem clothing.

[HereSince1628]

12. As a veteran, I want to know the problem that generates such fabrication

Yes, she's put up the phoney war story at least 4 times it's way beyond mis-speak. And generally, phoney warriors get kicked around pretty hard if they are public figures. She's getting her ass kicked in editorial pages all around the English speaking world.

But, WHY DID SHE DO THIS? There are lots of reasons that people spin stories.

Which reasons fit Clinton?

[InsultComicDog]

13. Phony story?

[tblue37]

14. Because she thought she could.

I don't think a lot of politicians have figured out that the Internet means that a gazillion people are constantly fact-checking your every utterance, and if it's on tape or on record, it will immediately be available for the whole world to see.

This is the sort of lie that once would have gotten a pass, or even if it was noticed, would have been treated as an insignificant part of a brief news cycle on a slow-news day. But now the Net acts as a multiplier, so everything gets amplified by way of the echo chamber of the blogosphere; and the 24/7 news cycle, with so many outlets to stock with content, makes it impossible for anything like this to fade away.

But people like Hillary (and other politicians of a certain age) are not Net-savvy. They don't use the Net the way we do (even those of us who are, as I am, in the same generation as Hillary), because they have "people" who cover that for them. The politicians themselves have other things to take care of.

They may "understand" intellectually that the Net is out there and how it works, but when it comes to the sheer impact of the Net I think they are essentially clueless, and that is why they keep getting blindsided.

[HereSince1628]

15. Maybe, you are right.

There were dozens of military and press there, as well as Sinbad and Cheryl Crow and the other USO folks. They knew the truth but the net and databases full of news video undoubtedly made finding footage much easier.