So.... Clinton is getting coverage for bringing up Wright and not her HUGE LIE???

[Bensthename]

What the Fuck??? How the hell is Clinton able to get get out of her huge deliberate lie to build up her foreign experience scandal? She makes up this horrible Wopper (pretending to be shot at!!!) and it only gets small coverage. And then to deflect this Clinton deliberately brings up Wright to derail her FAT LIE and the media falls for it and that is all that is talked about.. Does the media just have Clinton love and tons of bias or do they do it to keep the polls tight? Clearly they are not reporting the news..

Clinton in the last couple of days has also said she is staying in this till the end. McCain is sure to have a walk in after the media and Hillary is done with him. She can't win and she is turning this into one dirty mach. If she keeps this up all she is doing is increasingly angering her supporters Against Obama to the point where they wont want to vote this Nov. McCain will an easy win if this happens

The only solution is for the supers to start pledging and fast. Hopefully after PA they will come out quicker then they are now.

The dems will need lots of time to heal and rally together after this.

[MonkeyFunk]

1. How did SHE bring up Wright?

She was asked a direct question about him.

[george_maniakes]

3. which she refused to answer last week. and now she gives an answer...

that basically sets a bar of moral judgement. "you have to be this high to preach the word of God." Will she ever attend mass in a catholic church again?

[papau]

43. A persistent reporter asked specific questions - not a "give us a word on Wright"

[Drachasor]

4. Studiously follow Clinton talking points much?

She had been repeatedly asked about him for weeks. She and her campaign always refused to comment until yesterday where she 'surprisingly' changed her mind.

[george_maniakes]

6. it remind of her silence regarding michigan and florida around the time of iowa....

and new hampshire. She just seems to really pick her spots doesnt she?

[MonkeyFunk]

13. And she said something exceedingly mild

but you guys consider it an assault. It's ridiculous.

[Drachasor]

16. It wasn't mild, it was definitively an attack on Obama's character as well as Wright's

Wright never used Hate Speech, and Hillary said he did. How's that mild?
She implied Obama lacked judgment/character to leave by basically stating Wright spoke said "hate speech" for 20 years.

That's not mild or informed.

[MonkeyFunk]

27. "He would not have been my pastor"

is an attack to you? I swear, Obama fans are the biggest crybabies I've seen in a long time.

You're not gonna know what hits you if Obama gets the nomination.

[Drachasor]

28. Way to ignore the actual content of my post

It wasn't just that one statement, it was her massively unfair characterization of Wright. Together those statements are an attack. They certainly aren't "exceedingly mild" given the nature of the Wright issue.

[MonkeyFunk]

33. What was her massively unfair characterization of Wright?

[Drachasor]

35. You could have looked at my previous post *sigh*

She accused him of hate speech. She implied he'd been doing that regularly for 20 years. He doesn't give hate speech, and the type of outrageous remarks he made (which aren't hate speech) are not characteristic of the sermons they were in let alone his sermons in general.

[MonkeyFunk]

50. Do you have a quote?

I don't trust your inferences.

[Drachasor]

51. Here you go: (I would have quoted it earlier, but I thought you'd be familiar with what she said)

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/03/25/politics/fromtheroad/entry3966875.shtml

Hoping to turn attention back to her opponent, she told the Pittsburgh Post-Review that she would have left her church if her pastor made the kind of comments Jeremiah Wright made. "He would not have been my pastor," Clinton said about the minister of Barack Obama’s church. "I spoke out against Don Imus, saying that hate speech was unacceptable in any setting, and I believe that."

Not quoted there, but she also said that you choose your pastor, but not your family.

[george_maniakes]

30. Shes burying a man whos highly regarded by the people who know him...

becasue its politically expedient. Thats showing poor morals in my opinion. If she has such a hard time with wright because of those few statements, would she have an equal problem stepping into a catholic church because of the popes comments? i doubt it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

40. "You're not gonna know what hits you if Obama gets the nomination."

Well Hillary didn't know what hit her in Tuzla, but I can see how she could confuse a bouquet of flowers with sniper fire.

You guys are rich :eyes:

[george_maniakes]

18. she considered wright to be an unworthy pastor.

and that calls into question obamas character in staying there.
which begs the question, who does hillary consider morally worthy to preach?

[40ozDonkey]

8. You go, 28%er.

Deny everything in the face of irrefutable fact.

Somewhere, there's a carbon copy of you with a goatee running around telling people that Al-Qaeda were in Iraq before 9/11, and we're not in a recession yet.

[MonkeyFunk]

14. bite me

[40ozDonkey]

17. Hehe. Love you, too. nt

[MonkeyFunk]

24. The notion that I'm a republican

because I don't support your candidate is just idiotic and insulting. Go to hell.

[Drachasor]

31. No one called you a republican.

[Tarheel_Dem]

41. ooohhhh...protest too much? nt

[40ozDonkey]

47. No reading comprehension + no sense of humor =...

You.

I bet if I told a joke about Gandhi at a gas station you'd clap your feet together and cheer.

[Bullet1987]

2. Hillary Clinton is destroying the Democratic Party because of her selfish, elitist

and entitled attitude.

[hill_win_2008]

10. How is it not Obama destroying the party?

Why blame Hillary for selfishness? Why not Obama?

[DemzRock]

12. Because Obama is a saint! An angel. Didn't you know? His nasty tactics are OK! n/t

[hill_win_2008]

15. My bad

I should have remembered that. After all, I just saw him walk on water the other day. Or was it part the sea? Either way.

:eyes:

[Bullet1987]

19. Because Obama is not trying to destoy Hillary Clinton and is not nearly

as self-centured. That's why...

[hill_win_2008]

21. What?

How is that a real answer to my question? I understand, you like Obama. I get it, but come up with something more than a bumber stick as a reply.

First off, my is Hillary (in your opinion) selfish?

[JTFrog]

23. Because Hillary is the one running the Tanya Harding campaign. n/t

[Drachasor]

26. He's winning with more delegates and popular vote

His campaign is a lot cleaner too.

[hill_win_2008]

32. Too close still

Bill Clinton as Joe McCarthy is a clean campaign?

[Drachasor]

34. It's not perfect. I said it was much cleaner.

To be fair, Bill made an outrageous statement in the context of this race.

And Hillary has no chance of winning essentially, unless Obama implodes. She's trying to find a way to force that to happen, which increases division in the democratic party. Obama doesn't need Hillary to implode to win, so he doesn't resort to the same tactics.

On the whole clean thing, what are your feelings regarding Mark Penn?

[hill_win_2008]

37. Either has a chance

I don't agree that Hillary doesn't have a chance yet Obama does. It is way too close at this point. And, it could go to the convention. Obama can't win if things stay the way they are.

What of Mark Penn?

[Drachasor]

38. It's impossible for Hillary to get the most pledged delegates or popular vote without Obama implodin

Without those, she can't win. Unless Obama implodes a bit later, in which case she might be able to swing the super delegates (only if most of the Dems have turned against Obama, however -- most Dems consistently say they don't want supers overruling the popular vote/pledged delegates). Hillary simply can't win by 20% or so in every election that is coming (she hasn't done it at all before). The only way such a massive shift could happen is if Obama imploded.

As for Penn, many Hillary supporters I've seen seem to dislike his dirty tactics and statements.

[hill_win_2008]

39. Obama can't win either.

He is ahead right now in delegates and popular, but even if he wins everything (I doubt it), he can't get the needed delegates.

So, he can't win unless Hillary drops out.

[Drachasor]

42. Supers will go with whomever has the most pledged delegates/popular vote

If Hillary can't get them, she can't win. Obama has them and can't lose them without imploding, so he's going to win. It's that simple. That's also why the Clinton campaign is using the Kitchen Sink strategy on Obama, because they need to irreparably damage him in order for Hillary to win -- it's her only hope.

For purely political reasons, Obama doesn't need to get that dirty (though I don't think he would anyhow, he probably would have bowed out if roles were reversed), so he hasn't and won't. For every McCarthy-like comment that comes from Obama's camp, six or more like or worse comments come from Hillary's people. It's been like that for a long time (and Mark Penn certainly comes up with many of them -- if Obama had had someone like Penn, then they would have been axed long ago).

[DefenseLawyer]

5. And she is granting an interview to the same Scaife paper

that called her a murderer in order to get the Wright story back out there. Mrs. Clinton, you have done enough. Have you no sense of decency ma'am, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?

[theredpen]

7. Good.

Now the Wright story will morph into "The thing a candidate brings up to deflect negative attention." It will stop being about Obama, in a way.

[gasperc]

9. that was her point wasn't it?

now she put Wright back in the cycle, to the disgust of millions of Democrats, good nice job Hillary. I hope there is a re-vote here in Michigan, I look forward to kicking your ass.

[billbuckhead]

11. Hillary's supporters already don't trust or like her soulless opponent

[ShortnFiery]

20. Karma is going to come back and bite you in the butt. eom

[madrchsod]

22. big ed just ran quotes from several retired commanders about her story

the commander in charge of the bosnia operation said they would never put the first lady in harms way...

will someone in the party tell her to gracefully retire from the primary so we can focus on the walking corpse of the republican party?

[Bensthename]

36. I'm sure that commander was pissed off to hear that he did not do his job

of protecting the first lady. She is a joke. How could she make a huge lie about being shot and expect to get away with it?

[GOTV]

25. The media likes the Wright story. There's no sex, but racial tension is good too n/t

[tridim]

29. Ask Joe Scarborough, he knows why.

Joe admitted on Bill Maher's show a few weeks ago that the Hillary camp has surrogates IN THE NEWSROOM telling the pundits and reporters what to say on air.

[Recursion]

46. Here is the problem: Joe "Dead Intern" Scarborough is a "credible" opinion about media bias

Christ, this guy should be in jail were it not for a media blackout of his dead intern story, and he's talking about what stories the media do and don't run with?

Obama had 0 coverage last winter. He earned every frame he got by filling venues in areas that no Democrat had dared tread in for decades. And he's not the one bitching about the media: the complaints come from a candidate who was all-but-coronated by the media until the numbers simply couldn't be stretched to support that anymore.

[Recursion]

44. Repeat after me:

The media love Hillary Clinton and for a decade have refused to call her on any of her bullshit.

Don't bitch about it, don't complain about it, just accept that that is the political reality and play the hand you're dealt.

[Bensthename]

45. Good Post, okay as long as I know others are doing the same is refreshing. BUT...

This has truly floored me that this hasn't caught on in the media. She did not exaggerate the story. Exaggerating would be something like: there were a bunch of school girls waiting for me to hear their poems, instead of just the one girl. But saying she was shot at when clearly she wasn't is horrible. That is something you don't dis-remember. She clearly created a whole new story, with a smile on her face to go with it.

The fact that the media is giving her a pass on this is disgusting.

[Cha]

49. There have been a few tenacles in m$$$$m

and it's all over the internet..we're always the first to break news. No way this is going away.

[bigtree]

48. aww. Did your media shills shift focus?

pity that