which is worse?

[aquarius dawning]

[jakem]

1. An "American hating bigot?"

are you late for school, kid?

or it seems you may not be attending as often as you should...

[aquarius dawning]

4. what else do you call it when a man blames white people for everything that is wrong with the world

and then damns America repeatedly in front of cameras and a congregation? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that this Obama associates with an American hating bigoty and is now trying to draw fire away from that fact by attacking hillary's foreign policy experience.

[jakem]

23. "draw fire away from that fact"? irony. is that sniper fire?

you clearly do not have the bandwidth to understand the context of Rev. Wright's words.

Only someone who loves this country and is willing to work to improve it would give sermons as the Rev has.


who else do you think 'hates Amerika'? liberals? commie pinkos? non-whites? the ACLU?




(hey everyone! is this guy on 'THE LIST" shhh! LOL!!!)

[aquarius dawning]

32. No, I understand perfectly that Wright panders to haters and hatred in the name of God

and barack Obama sat there for twenty years with his family at his side agreeing with him.

[jakem]

33. Clinton's former church's pastor disagrees.

Last week, Dean Snyder, the senior minister at the Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington D.C. -- which the Clintons famously attended while in the White House -- released a little noticed statement offering a sympathetic defense of the totality of Wright's work.

"The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader whom I have heard speak a number of times," Snyder wrote. "He has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. To evaluate his dynamic ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear. Those of us who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr. Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize."

Snyder, it should be noted, was not the pastor at Foundry during the Clinton years. That was the previous minister, J. Philip Wogaman. Moreover, there seems to be confusion as to exactly what church Clinton now attends. Her campaign did not return requests for comment."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/25/pastor-of-clin...

[aquarius dawning]

34. You debunked that yourself. What more is there for me to say?

[jakem]

35. debunked? do you even know what that means?

"Those of us who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr. Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize."

[aquarius dawning]

38. That wasn't her pastor though, was it? Isn't that what you yourself just said?

[izzie]

24. Maybe Wright is telling the truth. This has been a country run

by white people and on top of that until Kennedy WASP white. And white men by the way. Ever read Blowback? Even the CIA thinks their is some thing in that. When you back a lot of people, we in the USA have backed, you have to think some people would not think us the good guys we are saying we are. I wish we would not do some of these things and it does not mean I hate the country. I just have to bring up one thing to get this over to you. Why did we go to war to re-put an autocrat back in power? You can fit in what country we did that in their are so many.

[DemVet]

5. Anyone can see that's what he is. He's certainly no Christian "pastor"

n/t

[DemVet]

9. Twenty years of implied consent to racism and anti-Americanism

I certainly don't condone to the fabrications from Mrs. Clinton, however, sitting in the pews and listening to that racist pastor certainly trumps the lies in this case.

[jakem]

27. Clintons own former church's pastor disagrees.

"But the pastor at the church that Clinton did once attend has recently expressed public support for Wright. He's even proclaimed it a "grave injustice" to make a judgment on Wright based off of "two or three sound bites," and criticized those who would "use a few of quotes to polarize."

Last week, Dean Snyder, the senior minister at the Foundry United Methodist Church in Washington D.C. -- which the Clintons famously attended while in the White House -- released a little noticed statement offering a sympathetic defense of the totality of Wright's work.

"The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader whom I have heard speak a number of times," Snyder wrote. "He has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. To evaluate his dynamic ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear. Those of us who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr. Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize."

Snyder, it should be noted, was not the pastor at Foundry during the Clinton years. That was the previous minister, J. Philip Wogaman. Moreover, there seems to be confusion as to exactly what church Clinton now attends. Her campaign did not return requests for comment."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/25/pastor-of-clintons-forme_n_93418.html

[aquarius dawning]

40. That's a lie and posting it makes you a liar.

[jakem]

41. LOL. which part exactly has you in a bunch?

:rofl:

[aquarius dawning]

42. The part where you imply that Hillary's pastor agrees with Wright.

[Name removed]

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[Cooley Hurd]

2. Your premise is flawed...

#1 is grossly untrue and #2 is grossly understated.:thumbsdown:

[aquarius dawning]

6. You're grossly flawed. My premise is fine.

[40ozDonkey]

3. Option 3: Karl Rove push polling.

I think that's the worst of all. Where's that option?

[Shae]

7. I hear FOX is hiring.

You might fit in.

[aquarius dawning]

8. is that the best you got?

[Shae]

13. No, but I'm trying to be nice.

[QC]

21. I hear Free Republic is looking for a new Director of Clenis Sniffing.

Any number of DU Obama supporters would fit in very nicely.

[Shae]

25. Last I heard Obama was a Democrat

Did I miss Hillary's latest Obama smear?
Or did I skew a poll with Rovian tactics like the OP?

[QC]

31. He's definitely a Democrat, but a lot of his supporters

seem to have a morbid fascination with The Clenis.

[Shae]

37. And a lot of Clinton supporters

want to damn Obama for his association with a soundbite.

I voted for Bill Clinton twice, and I thought the impeachment attempt was a travesty of justice.
So what's your point?

BTW--The OP's tactics fit in beautifully with the tactics the right wing used for impeachment.

[aquarius dawning]

43. We aren't the only ones crossing lines and scorching earth in this campaign.

[Shae]

48. I agree

"Be the change you want to see in the world."
--Gandhi

[babylonsister]

10. If Wright was so bad, why did Bill Clinton need him to 'cleanse' his sins?

He's only bad when it's politically expedient for the Clintons? No double standard there, as is everything with the name Clinton attached to it.

[aquarius dawning]

15. I guess he wasn't attending his services and didn't realize his sins were being cleansed by a sinner

I'll bet if he knew then what we know now, he wouldn't have gone near him.

[babylonsister]

16. Boy, what a spin you're in! Clintons will use anyone or anything to get

their way. It's really obvious to me, but your blinders are on tight.

[aquarius dawning]

19. Man, i say the same thing about anyone who still supports Barack Obama.

Just so you know, there's no fucking way I can vote for him. I can't and I won't.

[BigAnth]

11. Another vote for option #3!!!!!

[TheZug]

12. Which is worse: not abandoning your pastor, or the husband who humiliated you, the party and nation?

[aquarius dawning]

28. You really ought to be tombstoned for that.

[Warren Stupidity]

14. Decorated Marine, honored by presidents?

You are not referring to Rev Wright obviously.

Must be Pat Robertson:

"We have allowed rampant secularism and occult, et cetera, to be broadcast on television. We have permitted somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 to 40 million unborn babies to be slaughtered in our society. We have a Court that has essentially stuck its finger in God's eye and said, 'We're going to legislate you out of the schools, we're going to take your Commandments from off the courthouse steps in various states, we're not going to let little children read the Commandments of God, we're not going to let the Bible be read -- no prayer in our schools.' We have insulted God at the highest levels of our government. And, then we say 'why does this happen?' Well, why its happening is that God Almighty is lifting His protection from us." (in response to the 9/11 attacks)
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pat_Robertson

Pat Robertson also thinks that his supernatural deity damned america to be attacked on 9-11.

[aquarius dawning]

17. a decorated marine who damns America & then blames white people for everything wrong in the US

OF KKK!

[aquarius dawning]

18. he would have been kicked out of the Marines for giving those sermons to marines.

[ShortnFiery]

20. If Rev. Wright did not love this country he wouldn't have honorably served in the US Marine Corps.

I'm a former Army Officer who loves her country but I will admit to feeling "God Damn America" during our invasion of Iraq - especially during "Shock and Awe" and the Phosphorus bombs on Falluja (burns you skin and flesh clean off and is NOT authorized to be used on personnel - of any type due to the cruelty). However, as a person who would not vote to ban Cluster Munitions, I can't say that I'm surprised at HRC feigning self-righteous anger under the ruse of *patriotism.*

I don't doubt either Rev Wright's nor Obama's patriotism but I do question HRC's aggrandizing self-righteousness and her lack of HUMANITY where is comes to voting against the banning of Cluster munitions.

Unforgiving self-righteous anger and demonstrations of false patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. = HRC's simplistic assessment of Rev. Wright (and the entire 8400 member church) based on M$M spin. Someone who truly loves the USA - wishes for it to be *The Leader* in the world community ... and that leadership MUST extend to both humanitarian as well as military strength if we are truly a Christian (Christ-like) nation like the RW insists that we are.

[aquarius dawning]

26. If he gave those sermons in the service, he would have been thrown out and you know it.

and I'm having a hard time believing that you were an officer in the US Army. I think you're full of shit there.

[crankychatter]

22. incessant, lying, racist mischaracterizations and bullshit

willful ignorance preying on people's fears that voting for a black nominee will cost the general election

republicans want to run against clinton

are YOU a Republican Operative?

then why would you harp on this crap?

why? because YOU GOT NUTTIN

[aquarius dawning]

29. you're the one's smearing Hillary's foreign policy experience when you have none yourself.

What was BO doing in 1996 when Hillary was in Bosnia supporting the soldiers? doing drugs on the streets of Chicago? Attending the services of an american hating bigot? Disowning the white members of his family? I think I got plenty.

[Joe Bacon]

30. PRESIDENT MC CAIN IS WORSE!

WAKE UP FOLKS! KEEP TEARING EACH OTHER APART AND YOU'RE GONNA PUT THAT OLD FART IN THE WHITE HOUSE!

[SunsetDreams]

36. It's not war "stories", it's war "lies" from her own mouth!

[aquarius dawning]

39. You obviously have little to no experience with soldiers and their stories.

Embellishing war tales is pretty common actually and far less repugnant to most Americans than stories of a politician who sat in a church that damns America and preaches hatred against white people. I'll ask you the same question I asked another poster a while back, what was Barack obama doing in 1996 while Hillary was visiting with and supporting US soldiers in Bosnia? Was he smoking dope on the streets of Chicago? Was he sitting in church with his family listening to an america hating bigot blame all of black America's problems on white people? Maybe he was giving a speech about how he opposed America's involvment in halting genocide against Muslims in Yugoslavia? You tell me, what was he doing in 1996 that was so fucking great that he feels he can drag Hillary Clinton's Foreign policy experience and reputation through the mud?

[rucky]

45. c) Lame-ass push polls. n/t

[Lilith Velkor]

47. Word. n/t

[npincus]

46. You've got your damned nerve!! Rev. Wright was a Marine

and wore the uniform of the USA- what the hell have you done foryour country? Ever heard of free speech? I'd say he earned the right to speak, whether or not you or I agree with him. As far as the content of his sermons, it looks like you are depending on the MSM to feed you a "fair and balanced" presentation. A minute's worth of audio clips should not define a man's entire 30-year career... and YOU KNOW IT. You are exploiting this issue and defaming a man in the manner of FUX news. Good for you!

[aquarius dawning]

49. If he gave those sermons in the service, he would have been thrown out of the Marines dishonorably

By the way, I wore the uniform too and I'll say whatever the fuck I want to say about Wright and his prodigal child, Barack Obama.