Question for Obama supporters: If Hillary Clinton becomes the Dem nominee

[Seabiscuit]

NO MATTER HOW IT HAPPENS (even if the only way she wins is by vote of Super Delegates and seating of Michigan and Florida voters in proportion to the votes in those state primaries, despite Obama having more regular delegates, and more popular votes, not counting Michigan and Florida),

WOULD YOU VOTE FOR HILLARY CLINTON IN THE GENERAL ELECTION (even if by not voting or by writing in Obama instead of voting for Hillary you and people doing the same thing as you tip the scales in favor of allowing McCain to steal the election)?

[donheld]

1. I'm voting for the Democrat.

[damndude]

49. grudgingly...........but i would vote for her

[mod mom]

83. I am too, but I might have to write in that Democrat.

[Seabiscuit]

2. N.B.: Please, Hillary supporters: DO NOT VOTE IN THIS POLL. It could skew the results.

[MaineDem]

90. It's a skewed poll to start with

It tells us nothing.

[ORDem]

3. This is a stupid ass poll, since she can not win the nom. Find a better use of your 3 posts. n/t

[niceypoo]

24. Agreed, she will never make it past New Hampshire!

[Forkboy]

27. And it'll all be over by February 5th.

[99th_Monkey]

4. My, that's a big "IF" you got there pardner...

Which is SO BIG in fact, that I can't get past it to participate in your poll. Sorry..

[Seabiscuit]

6. It's really simple

The key is - would you refuse to vote for her even though it guaranteed a McCain presidency?

[jgraz]

8. Actually, it's not simple at all

An illegitimate nominee would be the thing that guaranteed the GOP victory. With millions sitting home in protest, my tiny little vote won't make one bit of difference.

[99th_Monkey]

9. Why would I bother?

Since the only way Hillary can "win" is by over-riding Democratic voters & duly elected delegates, i.e. by
playing so dirty that she sucks all the wind out of the sails of a Democratic Party that was headed for the
White House.

[Seabiscuit]

35. Why? You have to ask?

Because, as the question assumes, failure to vote for Hillary would guarantee a McCain presidency.

That means at least 4 more years of war in Iraq, four more years of economic policies that push us deeper and deeper into a recession/depression, four more years of jobs lost to China and India, four more years of shredding the Constitution, and 2 more right-wing extremists on the U.S. Supreme Court.

[99th_Monkey]

56. the only difference with Hillary, over McCain, is nominally better judges

since she supports the war, NAFTA, etc. anyway.

but I suppose I'd probably drag my ass to the polls anyway for a few better judges.

[Seabiscuit]

60. Well, "I suppose" is an improvement over "why bother".

:)

[invictus]

5. How could I possibly vote for her? She and her husband keep endorsing McCain over Obama

every chance they get. Hillary kept repeating that she and McCain both have experience and Obama just has a speech. Bill has been saying how nice the election would be since both Hillary and McCain love America, implying that Obama does not, and saying that Obama "intrudes" on their election. Then there's the lie about snipers which is an insult to everyone who has actually had to face real gun violence. And then Hillary shamelessly tried to revive the Rev Wright story. Shame on them! Samantha Power said it best. "Hillary is a monster. She will stoop to anything."

[still_one]

25. I detest the Clintons, but not voting for the Democratic nominee is even worse

much worse

[AX10]

7. kick

[Pushed To The Left]

I will be voting for and volunteering for the Democratic candidate!

Anything else would help the right wing, and the last thing I want to do is help the right wing!

[lligrd]

10. I'd Be Sickened But I Would Do It

No way I can stand 4 years of McCain.

[sandnsea]

11. I won't vote for her

My one little old vote isn't going to make a hill of beans difference. If it does, then she's got more problems than my vote anyway.

[la la]

13. but--

too many 'little old votes' like yours will tip the election to McCain---I'm surprised you don't understand that.

Don't 'we' want a Dem in the WH? I thought everyone on DU would feel that way---I guess I was wrong.

:cry:

[sandnsea]

17. Well, most Dems don't seem to care one way or the other

so she shouldn't have any problem, should she?

[Zhade]

20. We want Dems, not liars.

NT!

[gateley]

16. Millions of "one little votes" mean all the difference in the outcome. nt

[sandnsea]

18. If she's going to lose millions of one little votes

Then mine isn't going to make any difference that way either.

[gateley]

54. Okay,

but sincerely -- if she's the nom and she loses to McCain, wouldn't you feel a little tug in your gut wondering if maybe you should have voted for her?

I'm probably projecting (always do), but that's how I feel. I want to feel as though I've done all I could. As much as I DON'T want Hillary in the WH, I DON'T want McCain there MORE.

But bottom line, as in every aspect of life, we gotta do what we gotta do. I'm just hoping you and others give this a second thought. Actually, I hope it doesn't come to that -- that we'll all be dancing our way to the polls to vote for Obama.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

58. Such Ignorance.

[DearAbby]

12. I didn't vote for the last liar

I see no reason to vote for this one.

[gateley]

14. Yes. If I don't vote for the Dem candidate,

then I'll have a part in being responsible for the Reps keeping the White House.

It's as simple as that.

[yewberry]

15. Until "If it's brown, flush it down," I'd have been an unqualified yes.

Now, I'm a very unhappy, guarded yes.

I admit that I'm letting the very worst of the Clinton supporters affect my feelings, but I don't know how to change that. I'm fed up, really, and I'm extraordinarily unhappy with DU Clinton supporters right now.

Yes, I'd vote for Clinton, even if it was due to the DNC bowing to the self-important bullying of FL & MI and agreeing that they are more important than the rest of us. Dean can't fix everything, especially if those states are determined to carry through on their attempts at extortion through the GE. Yes, I'd vote for Clinton.

At this point, I'd vote for a pile of dogshit over McCain. I know that's not a rave review of Clinton, but that's where I am right now.

[Seabiscuit]

88. What was it about that post

("if it's brown, flush it down") offended you so much?

[yewberry]

91. The racism.

It was posted in GD P, a forum dedicated to the primaries, and was not, as some have suggested, a thread about water conservation. That suggestion is incredibly disingenuous. This forum is about the primaries, and a thread about water conservation wouldn't be posted here by an experienced DUer.

The OP is an ardent and prolific Clinton supporter who laughed at suggestions that the thread was wholly inappropriate (and was locked as such). The OP has been vehemently anti-Obama. Posting a thread stating "if it's brown, flush it down" (brown=feces) in an environment in which one of the candidates identifies as African-American is clearly offensive. The candidate that the OP hates is 'brown,' like many Americans. Is the candidate the shit that should be flushed down, or does this refer to all African-Americans as shit that should be flushed?

Then the OP claimed that the post was just a "joke" response to someone else's "let it sink" post. Very coy, and entirely unrepentant. If I'd posted something that was so offensive to so many immediately, I'd have at least acknowledged the problem or even edited the post. The OP chose to let the 'joke' ride, though some posters tried to make the point that the thread was offensive. The OP had the problem pointed out to him/her and chose to laugh it off.

The short version is that a DUer posted a thread that was easily seen as extremely offensive, and it was so offensive that if a newbie or even a long-time low-poster like me had posted it, I believe a TS would have resulted. As far as I'm concerned, the OP's intent is clear.

[Zhade]

19. No. I don't reward liars who think they get to pick their presidential powers.

Sorry.

Unrepentant, don't give a fuck what others think of that stance. Don't like it? Fuck right off.

[Seabiscuit]

87. So all you want for Christmas is 4 more years of a Repuke administration?

[quakerboy]

21. yesterday

Yesterday my answer was yes, as long as no one dies.

Today, I don't know. Several comments have gotten my goat recently, but hearing from her own mouth the comments about Wright really irritated me. Maybe its just my own foul mood today that makes this one feel so egregious when I have watched so many others go by. I need a new reason not to move out of the country if Hillary kidnaps the nomination. Help me.

[Swamp Rat]

22. I'm voting for the Democratic candidate.

No matter what.

[still_one]

23. ANYONE, who is a Democrat and DOESN'T vote for the nominee, is a JERK

They are enabling the continuation of the bush doctrine, and as far as I am concerned they can go f*ck themselves

I will NOT be very happy if MY candidate does NOT get the nomination, but after the last eight years, anyone who doesn't vote for the Democratic nominee, should be kicked out of DU, and go start their own group, which I suggest should be called THE LOSER GROUP, because that is what they are a bunch of losers

However, I believe with all the emotion flying here, most of those saying they will not support the oppossing Democratic nominee, if they get the nomination, will in the end

and like me, not be proud of that vote, but do it, because they realize that a continuation of the bush policies, is much worse

[Seabiscuit]

26. Kick for the late night crowd nt

[Forkboy]

28. A pointless poll at this point.

(Sorry for using "point" twice in one sentence) :silly:

Right now emotions are high, and many may mean what they say right now, but when the chips are down most will bite the bullet, no matter how adamant they are now. And many may simply be bluffing, hoping to influence through fear of failure in the G.E.

Either way, the results will be skewed from what they'll be in November if she wins. Same for the people saying they won't vote for Obama. Most of them will bite the bullet too.

[LaPera]

29. Divide & conquer, nothing brings the REPULICANS more glee!

[Seabiscuit]

32. Would that be a "yes" or a "no"?

[bowens43]

30. Maybe, she'll have to prove herself more worthy then McCain.

so far, she hasn't.

[Warren Stupidity]

31. I would vote for bloody snot if it were nominated.

I just want those fucking war criminals out and I do not care much who replaces them.

[skater314159]

67. Amen! nt

[Alter Ego]

33. Yeah, I'll vote for her.

And not because I have any personal respect for her anymore--that's gone out the window.

I'd be voting for her because the alternative--McCain--is Bush III.

[npincus]

34. nothing more horrible than Prez Grandpa... gotta go Dem.

[Diana Prince]

36. You have to vote for the Democrat

no matter what happens, too may things are at stake.

[bunnies]

37. My vote wont matter if she gets the nom.

She cant beat McCain in NH.

[democrattotheend]

39. What makes you say that?

New Hampshire has been really close in both of the last 2 elections. Hardly the place to throw away a vote.

[bunnies]

43. We have more than 40% independents in NH.

Obama got the largest percentage of indy votes in the primary... with McCain coming in second... and Hillary third.

[Shae]

38. I don't know.

If she was ahead in the delegate votes, I would vote for her.
If Obama wins, but the SD's defy the will of the voters, and install her, I don't know.
To me, that isn't America and it isn't democracy.
If we're going to go that route, we might as well forego elections and let TPTB pick who they like.

[Seabiscuit]

40. The problem is, you HAVE TO make a choice on election day. And your choice will have

serious consequences according to the assumptions included in the question.

Failure to vote for Hillary would guarantee a McCain presidency, and 4 more years of Republican rule in the White House.

Much as you may not like the hypothetical, you're not allowed to change it. You must choose according to the givens, as repugnant as that may be to your sensibilities.

So... what's it going to be?

[Shae]

46. If the hypothetical happened

I would take a little time for soul searching I guess.
When I went to vote in my primary, I really didn't know for sure who I would vote for.
I had intended to vote for Edwards, but he had just dropped out.
I almost voted for him anyway, I actually selected the button by his name, but then decided I didn't want to vote for someone who had dropped out.
For the first time ever, the Maryland primary was really going to count for something.

I don't want to see a Republican get the presidency. I wouldn't vote for McCain.
Then again, I don't see much difference in whether the SD's or the SC overturns the will of the people.

[Seabiscuit]

85. Well,

the problem as stated in the OP is that failure to vote for Hillary in this scenario would guarantee a McCain presidency.

I hope that's perfectly clear by now.

With that out of the way, can you make up your mind now?

[not_too_L8]

41. I'll vote Dem no matter what!

[swag]

42. She makes it more difficult every day,

but yes, I would vote for her over McCain.

I was on the fence between her and Obama before she started pumping McCain's highly dubious foreign policy bona fides over Barack Obama's and even over her own. By doing so, she just reminded everyone who was right and who is still stubbornly wrong about the war in Iraq.

[Milo_Bloom]

44. Luckily, there will be other choices on the ballot.

B/c there would be no way I would vote for Clinton, nor would I vote for McCain.

[GarbagemanLB]

45. The only way I vote for Clinton is if she wins the pledged delegates and/or popular vote. Any other

way, and I vote third party.

[Milo_Bloom]

50. Her war vote disqualifies her from me.

And the fact that I absolutely don't trust her.

[Greyskye]

47. yes

[flaminbats]

48. I'll vote for McCain!!!!

lol, what other choice do I have? :eyes:

I'm sick of listening to some fellow Democrats compare Clinton to McCain, sorry if some disagree with me! Every time another Democrat claims "Clinton and Obama are only worse than McCain", it makes me wonder..why even have a party, Green or Democratic? :shrug:

[Lucky 13]

51. I'm curled up in a little ball, rocking back and forth saying...

... "This poll is stupid. Obama's going to be the nominee. Everything will be fine. I won't have to make that choice. Obama's going to be the nominee. He'll save me from that awful decision." :scared:

Frankly if Obama's not the nominee I don't know that I will be well enough to vote in November. That short drive I have to Canada will look awfully sweet.

If it came down to Hill vs. McPain, it's just...
... one liar vs. another liar
... one Senator who voted for the war in Iraq vs another Senator who voted for the war in Iraq
... one guy trying to take down the democratic party vs. one woman trying to take down the democratic party
... one obfuscater vs. another obfuscater

It would be a bitter bitter bitter pill to swallow.

But I suppose... for the good of the country, sacrificing my own principals and mental health... I would some how find the internal strength and deep patriotism to vote AGAINST McCain (and by default for Hillary).

Then I would have to run home and take several hundred showers.

[Seabiscuit]

62. Don't blame me. I voted for Edwards.

[Lucky 13]

63. I didn't get that chance, living in Vermont. nt

[theredpen]

52. ISTN

But it's not going to be Hillary. No way. Not any more.

[Seabiscuit]

53. Kicking to get a better sample nt

[dionysus]

55. yeah

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[LittleClarkie]

59. I will always vote for the nominee. What's being determined now is whether I'll campaign

I'm not sure I could campaign convincingly for her.

Oh, I might give some money. But I don't know if I would phone bank, canvass and go down to the HQ whenever I had a free moment as I did for Kerry.

If she becomes the nominee, I will however pledge to give her the "Kerry treatment" which is to say I will work to warm up to her. I will read books and whatever else I can find in an effort to see her positive points.

It worked for Kerry. I will see if it works for Hillary. If not, then likely all she'll get out of me is my vote.

[Kitty Herder]

61. Of course, I won't vote for McCain, either. Not that it matters.

I hate the electoral college. It renders my vote for president in the GE meaningless.

[Seabiscuit]

86. So: will you vote for Hillary under this scenario, or not?

[Kitty Herder]

95. No, I probably won't vote for Hillary. And I won't be hurting anybody by voting for a third party.

I live in Utah. It would take a "revelation from God" for this state to not go to McCain by a huge margin.

[Yukari Yakumo]

64. Given that, at this point, she would have to steal the nom...

No way. No how.

I've had enough of arrogant election thieves, regardless of what party they belong to.

[Seabiscuit]

75. So you'd prefer 4 more years of Republican rule in the White House?

Because remember, that's what a "no" vote in this poll means - it guarantees a McCain presidency.

[Breeze54]

65. LMAO!

I hope all the people who voted 'No'; know that the admins. look at the votes! :P

[Seabiscuit]

69. But can they tell who voted just from the poll results themselves?

Or do they have to read the posts?

[Breeze54]

70. That's what

I heard. Some people got tombstoned for the way they voted and the way they voted wasn't cool at all.

[Seabiscuit]

76. You didn't answer my question. It was an either/or question. Please go back and

read it again. "That's what I heard" doesn't tell me which option you heard.

[skater314159]

66. I'm voting for the DEMOCRAT. PERIOD.

I may have a bitch with the party about who is chosen and how, but it won't affect who I vote for in November.

I am a Democrat, and I will vote for the Democratic Candidate. Period.

Anyone who says any different is either a troll or a person who doesn't really care about the Democratic Party.

[Warren DeMontague]

68. Yes, but at this point the only way she can get it is to be like the asshole who stole a fly ball

from a 4 year old's hands at the baseball game. It's going to look BAD.

And the way things stand, there's no way for her to "win" that will confer any kind of real legitimacy to her nomination.

I will vote for her, but I'll hold my nose while doing it.

[stop the bleeding]

71. Yes - I would puke first but yes

:beer:

[Cadwallader]

72. I won't be able to vote, I'll be in the hospital

Because the monkeys flying out of my ass will have caused damage, I'm sure

[dnbmathguy]

73. Yes, I would

In this situation, I would vote for Hillary - it's too important not to. My campaign efforts would be more focused on electing state/local officials, though.

[MrSlayer]

74. I will, with great sadness and trepidation, vote for her because there is no other choice.

I've never been a fan of hers, I don't think she's even close to the best person for the job and I don't expect anything but business as usual from her but for the Supreme Court alone I will fret and gag and vote for her.

[IsItJustMe]

77. I have seen Hillary's true colors. She will do whatever is politically expedient. I will not vote

for McInsane, but I guess the question that each person has to ask themselves is this, "How low, are you willing to go".

It's the Integrity thing.

[dempartisan23]

78. hillary has praised mccain so much

why should anyone vote for her?

[odelisk8]

79. right

the question is loaded since the only likely scenario wherein HC is the nominee is if the superdelegates overturn the will of the Democratic voters....under such a situation the party would deserve to lose...

but i for one am confident the party is smarter than that...

[Seabiscuit]

80. So: you refuse to participate because you don't like the scenario?

The scenario (the assumptions behind the poll) are certainly possible.

We're stuck with the superdelegate system whether you like it or not.

If the party "deserves to lose" then you'd prefer 4 more years of Repukes controlling the White House to your guy not getting the nomination?

[Seabiscuit]

81. Kick to rise above Mezzo's copycat plagiarized thread.

(apparently designed to distract from and discourage participation in, this poll).

Desperate measures because the mods still haven't removed Mezzo's thread despite 2 alerts.

[spinbaby]

82. I will vote for her

But I won't like it.

[stratomagi]

84. I will be voting for A democrat.

just not her.

[Seabiscuit]

89. Kick for the morning crowd.

[maximusveritas]

92. I would not vote because I'd want to send a message to the Democratic Party

that we won't stand for them putting in their favorite candidate even though they didn't win the most popular votes or pledged delegates. I would focus more on making sure we held onto Congress. But I would definitely not vote for her.

[crankychatter]

93. uncommitted

let them fuckin sweat

[arrested_president]

94. "I would not vote because I'd want to send a message to the Democratic Party"

i'm not voting at all for that reason

[Butch350]

96. Read My Lips...

NO MORE CLINTONS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NYDem Observer]

97. Considering the only way she can become the Dem nominee

is to steal the election. I probably would have to sit this one out. If she won fair and square that is a completely different story. I refuse to reward underhanded politricks!