Senator Clinton, have you gone insane?!?

[PresidentObama]

"Pledged delegates in most states are not pledged. You know, there is no requirement that anybody vote for anybody."

-- Sen. Hillary Clinton, during a meeting with the Philadelphia Daily News editorial board.

Is she SERIOUSLY willing to try and steal away pledged delegates from Barack Obama?

Is that what she's trying to imply?

She goes onto compare them to Superdelegates.

That'd be a nasty and low way to win the nomination. She has no chance, her own campaign aide said privately she has less than 10% chance.

And she also said she thinks it's going to go till at least June.

JUNE?!? Let's give McCain free time to define himself while the Democrats beat and bloody each other, only to have the same result we already know--Barack Obama will be the nominee.

End this now, Senator Clinton.

David Brooks: "Hillary Clinton's presidential prospects continue to dim. The door is closing. Night is coming. The end, however, is not near."

"OK, now, let's play the math game. If the remaining contests split up "as expected" meaning Clinton wins her base states (PA, KY, WV etc.) and Obama wins his base states (NC, OR, MT etc.) and the two split Indiana down the middle, the two campaigns will likely split those 566 delegates right down the middle 283-283 (margin of error +/- 5 delegates). This means Obama would need 34% of the uncommitted superdelegates to hit the magic 2024 number, while Clinton would need 72% of the uncommitted Supers to hit 2024." - Political Wire

[hedgehog]

1. So, we need to seat the delegates from Michigan and Florida to

ensure that those voters count, but we discard the results in all the other states?

[fadedrose]

17. I don't need no stinkin delegate...I am uncommitted.

Thanks to Governor Granholm and her henchmen.

[jgraz]

2. I guarantee you there will be 30 threads on this meme before the week is out

If the crowd vacationing on the mother ship were here, we'd have 50 threads by tomorrow. It's just shameful how many people have signed up to lie for the Clintons.

[goletian]

3. this is old news, of course hillary would try something like this. shes said this weeks ago. look:

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/10/749242.aspx

"It doesn't look bleak at all. I have a very close race with Senator Obama. There are elected delegates, caucus delegates and superdelegates, all for different reasons, and they're all equal in their ability to cast their vote for whomever they choose. Even elected and caucus delegates are not required to stay with whomever they are pledged to. This is a very carefully constructed process that goes back years, and we're going to follow the process."

that was weeks ago.

[PresidentObama]

7. "I have a very close race with Senator Obama." Then why are your aides telling Politico you have....

...10% chance of winning the nomination, Senator?

[havocmom]

4. Senator Clinton, America has had more than enough of pols thinking rules don't apply

and scamming does not pass for leadership.

[tekisui]

5. She is just trying to string her supporters along.

She knows better than any of us that it is over for her.

[PresidentObama]

6. And unlike John Edwards, she won't get out of the race when it's clear she has no chance.

I respect the hell out of Hillary Clinton, and prefered her over Barack Obama.

BUT IT'S OVER!!

[tblue37]

12. The most plausible analysis I have seen suggests that she won't get out

because she is stringing her donors along. Her campaign is in some financial difficulty right now, and if she drops out, she can't continue to receive donations, but if she stays in, she can maybe collect a bit more money to pay off some of the debt they have incurred.

[truedelphi]

8. She's right, you know. A delegate can vote for Minnie Mouse or Donald Duck

It has been absolutely disgusting to hear that Ed Rendell (Gov of PA) has effectively kidnapped the superdelegates in his state by letting them know their districts won't get needed monies unless theypledge for Hillary.

SO people who planned to vote for Obama - say a mayor or stte legislature has to figure out if they can afford to deprive their community of needed funds for imp[ortant items - and vote for their true choice or switch to Hillary in order to get the needed funding

[PresidentObama]

9. She's right, yes. But it's the wrong way of winning, and that'd be fucked up.

[aasleka]

14. hmm vote buying is a serious crime

[MonkeyFunk]

20. In an election, yes

but this isn't vote-buying.

And Obama has given far more money to superdelegates than Clinton.

[Independent-Voter]

23. Yep - Veruca is going to milk her donors for all they're worth. It's a shame they're too ignorant to

see the writing on the wall. It's a free country though, so feel free to piss your money away as you see fit.

[Middle finga]

10. Damn Hillary give it up, you're looking like a complete fool right

about now

[fadedrose]

11. Yep..Lannie Davis on VERDICT talked about it...

"Pledged delegates in most states are not pledged. You know, there is no requirement that anybody vote for anybody." HC

Lannie Davis on Dan Abrams said that it was the delegates' duty to vote for Hillary because if they took a look at the electoral college votes, they could see that Obama was behind. To prevent McLame from winning the GE, the pledged delegates had to forget about the people who voted for them and vote for Hill. It was like their duty to do the right thing.

I turned off Abrams and emailed Verdict and told Abrams I couldn't stand Davis any longer.

[mmonk]

13. I'm a delegate to my county in NC and if go any further in the process, I have to declare

who I'm pledged for at the county convention for the District Convention. Pledged delegates are pledged delegates unless a delegate wants to sign to be an unpledged delegate which is very limited in number.

[fadedrose]

16. I know nothing about delegates, but

since you were selected/pledged to vote for a certain candidate, you should receive some financial support to go to the convention.

It seems like stealing to not vote to represent the people who elected you.

If there are financial considerations in the travel/hotel/convention business, the Clinton campaign should pay for any switches they manage to pull off and take pledged candidates away from Obama.

As I said, I know nothing about this stuff. Please enlighten me.

[mmonk]

18. All I know is that we have to pledge at some stage.

Once that stage has taken place, you become associated with the delegate pool of that candidate. Then the voting takes place.

[Me.]

15. The Audacity Of Hopelessness

is the best line in the piece, I wonder where Brooks got it from.

[Tom Rinaldo]

19. You left out the part where Brooks said Obama's lawyers prevented revotes in FL & MI

And you left out the part where the Political Wire said that is why NC is shaping up to be a big contest, because Clinton has to show she can win in a state which isn't one of her base states.

[DemzRock]

21. I read that the rules say pledged delegates can switch...

Lets say, some HUGE scandal is unearthed next week about either candidate. Something FAR worse than Wright or lies. The even the pledged delegates can change their affiliation.

[AllentownJake]

22. Has anyone met a Delegate

The Delegate we have for Obama here ran the volunteer effort for his campaign and has devoted thousands of hours building a group in my city. I've met her. The chances that she would somehow go for Clinton is null. Candidates pick their delegates. Generally they are the die hard supporters. If you can pick up pledged delegates out of the die hards something really really bad must have happened.

[truedelphi]

25. Read what I said above abt what is happening in PA

http://tinyurl.com/2qazzl


It's the old smoked filled, back room politics.

[AllentownJake]

29. Fast Eddie

That doesn't surprise me. Well that's Philadelphia Politics taken to a state level.....thank God he's term limited..2 more years. He really was a great mayor. Shame what he became.

[marshall]

24. Hillary: It depends on what your definition of "pledged" is.

Haven't we heard this before?
Same shit, different asshole.

[XemaSab]

26. She's been like that for a while

:(

[Cali_Democrat]

27. she's lost it big time. nt

[2rth2pwr]

28. Maybe you can remind Richardson, Kerry and Kennedy that as Superdelegates

they should honor the voice of the voters of their states.