Why I don't think Barack will win the GE

[galaxy21]

I look at that speech, flawed though it was, and it's sad to me that at most he's only 1 or 2 points ahead in the polls even after that. For the first time, you have a politician that treats people like adults, empathises with them, and urges them to actually talk about their problems instead of sticking their heads in the sand. And he's currently behind Mccain in the polls.

Say he does get elected: at best he'll be a once in a generation leader that turns the country around who'll finally bring universal heathcare to the country and improve America's standing on the world stage. At worst, he'll be a Jimmy Carter for the noughties. And even in this worst case scenario , it still won't be nearly as bad as another four years of repbulicans.

And really, what would people be rejecting him for? A 72 year old man who offers nothing new, seems as blank of on middle eastern culture as his Bush, and doesn't even seem willing to acknowledge there is anything wrong with the country. I wouldn't go out there and say Mccain would be as bad as another four years of Bush, but it will be business as usual.


It goes back to what people were saying about Ohio voters being gulliable after voting for Hillary despite her Nafta involved, and Bush in 2004 despite how many soldiers/jobs theyve lost. Someone like John Edwards talks non stop about ending corporate tryanny and helping the poor (he was way more radical than Obama or anyone else) but he doesn't get anywhere, even with poor voters. Why not? It's in their best interests. Meanwhile the other people that sound like Ayn Rand surge ahead in the polls. I swear if Bush could run for a third term he'd have a decent chance of getting re-elected again.

If there's one thing the Bush administration well did it was convincing people to vote against their best interests. It's pretty depressing the amount of people that will vote against Obama because they think he hates America, because he's 'inexpereinced' (you know at taking us into to unwinnable wars and being influenced by special interests) or because he's some mad communist. It used to be 'is this guy good enough to be president?'. Maybe America isn't good enough for Barack Obama. If voters are still gullible enough to let their prejudices be played to like that, maybe the US doesn't deserve a good president.

Honestly, if I met Barack Obama a year from now and he's not president, I'd probably say to him 'you did nothing wrong. We just didn't deserve you.'

[SoFlaJet]

1. well judging by the threads this morning

the marching orders have been handed out and the troops are manning the boards. Here it is in a nutshell folks; Obama=unelectable which is "heartbreaking" to the CCers, they are saddened today by this magically appearing new twist of fate that has absolutely no basis in fact or reality... this is I think the 4th one of these type threads already today

[K Gardner]

3. Ah, thanks for the heads up ! Saves me aggravation ! I'm guessing we need to LET THEM SINK !

[SoFlaJet]

7. it's like the 4th one KG

they think we're fucking idiots-I can't wait for paid staffers to have to get real jobs and not be able to fuck this board up every day-LET THEM SINK-I will be posting my contribution thread on the subject soon

[frogcycle]

2. While driving to work this morning

I was writing something similar in my head, only I would title it "why McCain will win"

I think I'll still write mine. Same general point, slightly different tack.

But here's a k&r to yours.

fc

edit: My commentary, yet to be written, has nothing negative about Obama, whom I fervently hope will win and have a successful eight years, but everything to say about the state of the electorate.

[Hepburn]

4. Suggestion:

In order to win, if that is what you want in the GE, then get off your Hillary boo-hoo and get your butt over to an Obama headquarters and stop this divisive bullshit.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

5. Is this the Meme of the Day?

Why don't you look at the Dem primary polls from 8 months ago, and decide how relevant they are today? General election polls this early in the year are completely meaningless.

[galaxy21]

6. The problems that plauge Obama today will still be relevant in Novemeber

Unless, all of America suddenly gets a lot smarter and starts seeing through the republican bullshit.

[SoFlaJet]

9. or the bullshit

being thrown from his opponent on the democratic side-McCain is hardly saying shit....the CC is doing all his dirty work FOR him

[Hepburn]

10. The only problems is the smear campaign being done by...

...the Queen and her campaign. Most of us have already seen through this.

[Medusa]

11. Hillary's got 999 problems that haven't gotten attention yet

and no one candidate will bring the GOP fractured base together like being able to vote against a Clinton. SHE is the real unelectable candidate here folks. Why some of you insist she's the shit, I have no idea. I guess you like fairy tales, like Bill.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

12. So what's your solution?

Do you honestly believe Hillary has fewer "problems" for the republicans to bring up?

[Orsino]

8. It's a valuable framing for anyone too distressed by his delegate lead...

...but I believe that most Dems will vote for the Dem nominee, and that so will a lot of former Republicans.

[leveymg]

13. Funny, this reads like stuff I read 8 mos ago. The same pollsters were saying, HRC is inevitable.

I don't know what polls you're referring to, but that's just utter BS. There's no way the American people are going to elect another Republican President. Not this time. Not after 8 years of Bush-Cheney they won't.

[LisaL]

15. Oh right.

Well, I don't see how Obama can win GE.
The states he needs to win, like OH or FL, he likely has very little chance of winning.
DUbamas kept claiming that he is very electable. Come Nov, I believe we are getting president McCain.

[dkf]

14. After seeing Hillary's solution for fixing the economy, I believe Obama is our only hope.

McCain admits he "doesn't understand the economy very well". That is a losing statement.

Hillary wanting Alan Greenspan to head her task force is absolutely LUDICROUS! He, who said it was a good idea to use ARMS? Argh.

[galaxy21]

17. leveymg , I would like to believe that, but no one thought Bush would win in 2004 either

Fact is, republican tactics often prey of the gullibility of the uneducated, blue collar voters ....


Look at that bit from 60 minutes

guy: I have a problem with Obama, him being a Muslim, not knowing the national anthem..

croft: you know that's not true

guy: that's what i'm being told.



Yeah, that man was an idiot, but there are more like him than we might care to admit.

[ProSense]

19. Are you expecting vote suppression, millions of black votes nation wide, and the other dirty tricks

from 2004 to be in play? Remember McAuliffe is no longer running the DNC.

[dkf]

21. Our economy wasn't as bad in 2004 as it is now. We are practically in crisis mode now.

When you are worried about your financial condition, you realize what is important real fast. And for that you want the smartest guy on the block. I'd say gal but her solution is awful so I'm crossing her off the list.

[leveymg]

22. It's been a long 4 years since 2004. Bad times, all around.

The presidential candidate of the incumbent party always gets tossed when an unpopular war is followed by economic downturn within the same term. Double-whammy.

Recall: '52, '68, '76, '92.

In '04 the Iraq War and the U.S. economy seemed to be in far better shape than they are today.

Empty pockets and flag-draped coffins win out over campaign slogans, every time.

[ProSense]

16. Obama will crush McCain

twenty thoughts about John McCain

Democrats, including Hillary and Bill, who continue to canonize McCain should be ashamed!

[Tarc]

18. As ashamed as you should be for supporting an empty suit?

[ProSense]

20. Are you embarrassed that Hillary is losing to Obama? n/t

[mopinko]

23. let it sink

pathetic meme of the day.

[Taxmyth]

24. I would say

Barry, we just didn't know enough about you.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

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