Senior Democrats fear suspicions that Obama shares Pastor's views will make him unelectable

[pathansen]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/22/uselections2008.barackobama

“The latest poll in Pennsylvania by Public Policy Polling puts Clinton on 56% and Obama on 30%. The same polling organisation showed her having overtaken Obama in North Carolina, which is also still to hold its primary: she has 43% to his 42%.”

“But it goes further than that. The danger for Obama is not just that he could lose badly in Pennsylvania but that senior Democrats will wonder whether the loss of white votes could cost him the November general election.”

“A theme that emerges from the bars and diners of white Philadelphia is suspicion that Obama's failure to disown Wright and his presence in his church for almost two decade suggests that he himself is secretly resentful towards white people. A stray comment during an interview may have helped contribute to that suspicion when he referred to his grandmother, who had voiced her concern about being mugged by a black person, as a "typical white person".”

“John Fernandez, a chiropractor, said Obama must have known what Wright was preaching. "How can you be that tight and not know or share some of those opinions? I was leaning toward him a little bit, but that took it over the edge," Fernandez said, hollering to be heard over the din of the bar and televised basketball game. "You got to go to another church, or you share those opinions."

[Tatiana]

1. LISS. n/t

[pathansen]

6. ???

[ClassWarrior]

12. LET IT SINK.

(The LET IT SINK Strategy - LISS)

NGU.

[Ravy]

25. Thankfully there are enough good DUers that don't follow some of the Obama supporter's

borg strategy so that people have the opportunity to view OPs that are adding information into the discussion.

I will try to keep genuine and respectful posts kicked *particularly* if I see this "let it sink" crap.

[rodeodance]

30. better get all your SHEEPIES in line.

[backscatter712]

38. Yes, *plonk* to the Freepers!

[The Night Owl]

59. I'm sorry... What did you say? {EOM}

[Maven]

63. KICK

:)

[Kahuna]

2. This is OLD news..

:boring:

[pathansen]

4. Its today's news - see link

[2rth2pwr]

16. good effort, with a sleepy smilie and everything.

[rodeodance]

41. Your yawning through it will not make it go away

[EFerrari]

3. The spin on a smear. Cool!

[pathansen]

34. Clinton ahead of Obama 26 points in PA - How do you spin that?

[EFerrari]

46. Obama was not expected to win PA BEFORE the spin on this smear. n/t

[tibbiit]

5. Here is what pisses me off about the whole thing

In the 20 years Wright only went off on these tangents a handfull of times.
The MSM makes it sound like every fucking week he preached this shit to his congregation.

Why do the dems and Obama allow the "current wisdom" about this issue be written by the RWing Thug Media and their talking whores?

Why are not our talking points that he didnt preach like this everyweek???
Why do the people with power to be heard... (not me or us little folk) not pound this fact into the current wisdom of the situation.
I have never understood why our media talking heads dont say the few words that would change what mainstream thought is.

That is 3what pisses me off the most thru these years of bush hell.
tib

[Emillereid]

7. The god damn media are bringing Obama down just like they did Howard Dean.

He's not beholden to the big money interests so they have to cut him off at the knees. When America most needs the kind of leadership Obama can provide, the powers that be are once again going to give us a choice between two corporate politicians who will do their bidding. I for one am not playing their game this time. I'll go Nader or McKinney or just leave this fucking country.

[Luisverde]

11. Don't worry, this shall pass

no matter what the MSM says, the Politico put it in the right perspective: Hillary has NO chance of winning the nomination. It is just a fantasy game for the MSM to keep this story alive. The truth is that it will be Barack Obama vs. Juan McSpain.

[Emillereid]

14. I pray that you're right. It's nonetheless painful to hear the crap they are

spewing -- most of completely out of context and soooo misrepresenting Wright, The more I learn about Pastor Wright, the more I like him. Christ, I might even consider being a Christian if I had a pastor like him.

[rodeodance]

33. I imagine it is painful

[JoFerret]

54. They will recover

.

[pathansen]

15. I've thought of voting for Nader, too.

[DearAbby]

24. god damn

Oh no you said the - insert words here- !!

::gasp:::

:::crosses self three times::: ::tosses salt over shoulder::: ::frantically rubs rabbits foot (wasn't very lucky for the rabbit :shrug: )Lights candles in prayer:::

[LVjinx]

50. Actually, many media figures are surprisingly blatant with their support for Obama.

[Middle finga]

8. So John Fernandez is upset ha.

[rodeodance]

35. Making light or moking the voters is not going to make this problem go away

But the sight of Wright calling on his congregation to sing God Damn America instead of God Bless America is not one from which Americans are going to be diverted easily. A theme that emerges from the bars and diners of white Philadelphia is suspicion that Obama's failure to disown Wright and his presence in his church for almost two decade suggests that he himself is secretly resentful towards white people. A stray comment during an interview may have helped contribute to that suspicion when he referred to his grandmother, who had voiced her concern about being mugged by a black person, as a "typical white person".

[BeyondGeography]

9. "Senior Democrats" who'd rather wring their hands and worry than stand for something

Whatever.

[Cha]

13. I don't believe it..just more psych ops

to discourage the voters. I call Bullshit on their senior dems.

[rodeodance]

40. "I call Bullshit on their senior dems"--Who is the "their" ???

[rodeodance]

31. I think they are standing for America. Stop mocking the voters

[Life Long Dem]

10. Need anyone say more. Notice the rocket line taking off for the skies!

[JoFerret]

17. Good article

Thanks Guardian.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

18. now we'll hear how the gaurdian is evil and knows jack

under the fucking bus with you Guardian!!

[okasha]

56. Some semi-literate called it a "right-wing foreign rag"

the other day. :rofl:

It's one of the world's great liberal papers, which is why I read it religiously.

[kwenu]

19. Obama is a Black man who was raised in America which means he almost certainly agrees

that the American government and the American majority have not always treated minorities fairly. The irrational fear that is unspoken is that somehow if a minority ascends to power, that minority will "return the favor." The truth is that a minority like Obama who has succeeded against the stereotypes and the odds against him will be far more sensitive to ensuring that EVERYONE is treated fairly including that paranoid majority that insists on avoiding any conversation about the sins of the majority's past.

I'm trying to figure out what church Obama should have gone to because unless it was a predominately white church he would encounter the same things. The conclusion to all of this is that the United States has not matured to the point where it is willing to elect a non-white president. If that's the case then people should be honest enough to say it instead of trying to paint the minority candidate as a racist.

[OzarkDem]

20. Its a valid concern

Winning the GE is more important than the primary.

[JoFerret]

22. Sure is

.

[rodeodance]

43. I hope the SD have this in mind.

[Lucinda]

62. They do

[shayes51]

55. yep

[BlackVelvet04]

21. LIR

let it rise

[rug]

23. OK

[RC]

26. What BS!

What this shows om Obama's part is tolerance, something that is missing on the Right's part.

[rodeodance]

32. What it shows is that they do not trust obama .

[Rose Siding]

27. Joey Vento is a "senior Democrat"?

Who knew? The article actually speculates about a "danger" that senior dems "will" wonder, not that they already "fear", as your subject line reads.

[rodeodance]

39. Obama struggles to limit damage in pastor row as white voters slip away

This is the articles Title

[xultar]

28. x

[rodeodance]

29. "You got to go to another church, or you share those opinions." I have this from many

[rodeodance]

36. God Damn America vs God Bless America

But the sight of Wright calling on his congregation to sing God Damn America instead of God Bless America is not one from which Americans are going to be diverted easily. A theme that emerges from the bars and diners of white Philadelphia is suspicion that Obama's failure to disown Wright and his presence in his church for almost two decade suggests that he himself is secretly resentful towards white people. A stray comment during an interview may have helped contribute to that suspicion when he referred to his grandmother, who had voiced her concern about being mugged by a black person, as a "typical white person".

[madrchsod]

37. "english only" joey !!!

"english only" joey is a senior democrat?...the guardian writers sure fucked up when they asked this piece of trash.

i take it you have never heard about this racist piece of trash

[BlooInBloo]

42. Funny how no one thinks that of other sorts of people.

[Aussie leftie]

44. I will never be convinced that this has been a fair contest unless

they hold primaries in Florida and Michigan. If Obama's support is starting to drop now, if he is nominated, where will his support be in November?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

45. I know

he loses

[LVjinx]

51. If the dem nominee is selected by purposefully excluding 2 entire states the party will not recover

[ima_sinnic]

53. if the repukes have hated HRC so much these many years, where will her support be

in November?

At least Obama doesn't inspire people to crawl over broken glass to vote AGAINST him.

McCain vs Obama: BushCo war monger vs complete change

McCain vs Clinton: BushCo war monger vs war monger

[okasha]

57. Think again.

n/t

[JoFerret]

47. Let's count the votes

LCTV

[rodeodance]

60. all..........

of them

[Hoof Hearted]

48. He IS unelectable.

[pathansen]

52. Cause many who voted for him in the Primaries may not vote for him in the General Election

[rodeodance]

58. buyer's remorse for

many. Or---just the doubts.

[jackson_dem]

49. If Obama gets 20-30% of the white vote in PA this will happen

Those are Jesse Jackson numbers and we know why he wasn't put on the ticket as veep. Obama is at 23% among PA whites and 30% in NC in the latest polls, and both are before his recent racial remark about "typical whites."

Polling shows Obama would lose 20% of white Democrats, and this number was before pastorgate and his recent racial remark. For all we know it could be 25-30% now.

As to why this is happening, his white vote began dropping after Wisconsin. He got 34% in ohio (27% among Ohio Dems but rethugs and other ringers raised his number), 44% in Texas (only 37% among white Democrats, again rethugs helped him), and only 21% in Mississippi. He was polling at 29% among Pennsylvania whites before pastorgate. Pastorgate and his subsequent racial remark just made things worse for him.

[The Night Owl]

61. The problem with Obamas is not that they harbor secret resentment of whites...

The problem with the Obamas is not that they harbor secret resentment of whites. The Obamas don't harbor secret resentment of whites. The problem with the Obamas is that they lack experience on the national stage and that lack of experience makes them prone to making huge blunders. Barack Obama should take the experience he has gained from this current presidential campaign and apply it in 4 or 8 years.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

64. .