Yet another McCain endorsement by Clinton, this time from Bill. How much lower can they stoop?

[99th_Monkey]

This is beyond disgusting & shameful. How any Democrat .. ANY Democrat could still support this failed and increasingly
embarrassing sorry excuse for a "Democratic" campaign is beyond me.

First it was Hillary praising McCain's "experience" over Obama's (not just once, but several times), then it was Bill C.
on Rush Limpnutz hate-radio hawking Hill's campaign to Rethug "cross-overs", and now this. This smacks of the most cynical
kind of self-serving collaboration with avowed enemies of the Democratic party & its fundamental principles. I once had a
fair amount of respect for the Clintons, despite their less than stellar performance from a far left perspective. And
this is assuming the best about whether the Clinton campaign was in any way involved in PassportGate. :puke:

Sadly I've utterly lost whatever respect I had, due to their increasingly desperate and dirty tactics on the campaign trail.

Bill Richardson's absolutely correct in saying it's time to stop this craziness and concede the nomination to the clear
preference of most Democratic delegates and voter.

Enough is fucking enough. This is no longer even about the nomination anymore, it's about salvaging what's left of the
Democratic chances to win in November. She needs a 3am wakeup call from Bill Richardson, Edwards, Pelosi, Carter and
Howard Dean. She needs to get out NOW!! :mad:

*************************************************
Another Bill Clinton Moment On The Campaign Trail
MSNBC is reporting that on the campaign trail today in Charlotte, North Carolina, the former president said a general election matchup between his wife, Sen. Clinton, and Sen. John McCain would be between "two people who love this country" without "all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/another-bill-clinton-mome_n_92818.html

[keep_it_real]

1. They are betraying the party by trying to position Hillary

In marketing this is called positioning. Like when Pepsi used the Michael Jackson advertisements to "position" Pepsi next to the Michael Jackson generation.

The Clintons are trying to position Hillary next to McCain as the "nominee" and position Obama out of the general election.

Real snakes.

[99th_Monkey]

2. Snakes indeed. They took the lowest ground possible, which wasn't necessary at all.

They could just as easily (and probably more effectively in terms of appealing to Democrats) "positioned" Hillary
v. McCain by acting like she's already the nominee and RUNNING AGAINST McCain. But no. They praise McCain.
Un-fucking-believable.

They took the low road, and in doing so have abandoned and betrayed the Party they once played a central role in.

[DefenseLawyer]

3. Either that

or they know she can't win, so they are trying to insure that McCain beats Obama so Hillary can run against McCain in 2012.

[Drachasor]

8. I think you should take them at their word on this: They don't THINK about the next election

They aren't thinking about the GE. They aren't thinking about the damage they are doing. They figure anything damaging can be fixed or otherwise doesn't really matter. Focus only on the current election. That's their rule, and I believe they are sticking to it (to the point of insanity).

[99th_Monkey]

14. The operative words being "they aren't thinking" ... but reacting viscerally & it ain't pretty. nt

[NanceGreggs]

9. If they are holding on to any hope ...

... that she could ever have a viable candidacy again after this campaign, they truly are delusional.

Hillary's behaviour has left a very bad taste in the voters' mouths - and that taste will linger long after 2012.

[AdHocSolver]

12. With a Clinton candidacy, the right wing wins either way.

Clinton brings out the Clinton "haters" in force and McCain beats her in the general election, and provides enough right wing votes to give Congress back to the Republicans.

Alternatively, Clinton narrowly beats McCain, but SHE winds up with a Republican Congress that defeats all efforts to pass any progressive legislation.

I agree with your suggestion that the Clintons are in effect conceding the nomination and hope McCain wins the GE. However, the public is becoming aware of the Clintons' desperation. Their willingness to subject the country to four more years of Republican rule if they aren't anointed by this party is indicative of the mean-spiritedness of the Clintons. At any rate, the disloyalty the Clintons are displaying towards the Democratic party, at a time in U.S. history that it is imperative that we win this election, means the end of the Clintons as significant players in national politics.

[misanthrope]

24. You forgot the part where if she wins the GE...

...and delivers what she promises in a return to her husband's presidency, they continue the corporate-friendly, Republican-Lite regime we got during those eight years.

[BenDavid]

4. i never seen folks try to find fault with something where there is

no fault to find.....If I asked the question. President Clinton, how do you think the campaign would be between Senators Clinton and McCain? (Oh, I see it was the question asked)and Bill answered (now obama folks remember it was a direct question relating to clinton and mccain matchup)would be between "two people who love this country" without "all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

Now how did obama get into the conversation when it was asked about clinton and mccain?

[AdHocSolver]

10. "All this other stuff" obviously refers to the Democratic primary campaign. Your bias is showing. nt

[chascarrillo]

20. Yeah, it definitely wasn't a sly reference to "God damn America!"

After all, it's not like Bill Clinton is known for being a crafty politician or anything.

Jesus H Fucking Christ on a fucking stick.

[WillyT]

5. "How much lower can they stoop?" - Stay Tuned, Cause We're Gonna Find Out Apparently !!!

:shrug:

[AdHocSolver]

11. Headline: Clintons win limbo dance contest. n/t

[Eric J in MN]

6. Bill Clinton says that most politicians love their country.

He wasn't praising McCain specifically.

Bill Clinton in 2004:

"Most the people I've known in this business, Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals, were good people, honest people, and they did what they thought was right. And I hope that I'll live long enough to see American politics return to vigorous debates where we argue who's right and wrong, not who's good and bad. My experience is, most the people I've known in this work are good people who love their country desperately."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0406/14/se.01.html

[99th_Monkey]

15. Bill C: "two people who love this country" meaning Hillary and McCain

he didn't say "three people who love this country", no matter who wins the Dem nomination, and include Obama in
his praises of patriotism. He reserved that for his wife and McCain.

His meaning was clear, regardless of how much backpeddling his supporters or his campaign tries to do.

[Eric J in MN]

16. He was talking about the general election,

...when there will be two major party candidates.

[99th_Monkey]

19. But he managed to leave out any mention of the Democratic front-runner, Barak Obama.

a rather glaring omission, wouldn't you say?

And he either did so intentionally.. or else he's inept or just plain stupid, which I don't
think you believe either.. you can't have it both ways.

[Eric J in MN]

21. The quote doesn't mention anyone by name.

Not his wife. Not Obama. Not McCain.

[99th_Monkey]

22. So which "two people" do you think he meant?? No one else seems to have any doubt.

the fact that the actual names didn't pass Bill's lips during the Obama smear does not mean it was not
another Clinton insinuation that Obama's "patriotism" is lacking .. by inference Obama is associated
with "all this other stuff" that Clinton is apparently inferring is "unpatriotic". what unadulterated
horse shit.

Quoting Sam Stein of Huffington Post here from the OP link:

"Adding a bit of fuel to the political fire, Bill Clinton made a bizarre comment on Friday, leaving the impression that he believed Barack Obama's patriotism would be a general election issue.

MSNBC is reporting that on the campaign trail today in Charlotte, North Carolina, the former president said a general election matchup between his wife, Sen. Clinton, and Sen. John McCain would be between "two people who love this country" without "all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

[Eric J in MN]

23. His point is that in the general election, this year or any other year,

...the public should decide based on the issues and not demonizing the candidates.

That's why Bill Clinton has been saying for years some version of this, from 2004:

"And I hope that I'll live long enough to see American politics return to vigorous debates where we argue who's right and wrong, not who's good and bad.

[99th_Monkey]

26. You could have fooled me.

for the life of me, it looks to my lying eyes like Bill's implying by omission that Obama's
not a good enough war-mongering "patriot" to be mentioned in the same "two people" breath as
Hillary and McCain.

But then, it's late and my eyes are starting to cross .. a sure indication that it's bedy bye
time for Impeachment Monkey..

Good night. peace out.

[misanthrope]

25. I think he's wrong...

...It would be more accurate to say that those politicians may start out thinking they love their country, but it all becomes a maze of rationalizations to explain away self-service after a while.

As George Costanza said: It's not a lie if you believe it's true.

[vita405]

7. the word "endorsement" has been used and abused in this forum

Any positive comment about a person is considered an "endorsement".

And endorsement in reality is support for a candidate due to agreement with this candidate's OVERALL positions.
Add to this the fact that not all instances of "positive" comments by Bill Clinton are clearly "positive", but spins by Democratic rivals.

[99th_Monkey]

18. Bill & Hill haven't used the "E-word", but their intent is clear to everyone but HillBots ~nt~

[Azathoth]

13. It's slash-and-burn politics -- If Hillary can't win, then she's going to give it to McCain n/t

[redstate_democrat]

17. They are

trying to bait Obama into responding to their every allegation. They want to paint him as an overreacting, rookie. They make a vague statement which clearly implies something about Obama, and then the media runs with it, and then Obama has to respond. Next thing you know, the Clintons are screaming that Obama can't take a hit, or he's playing dirty tricks, or he is paranoid/rookie, or his campaign screams wolf. This is the new strategery with them. They will also allude to racial themes, but it is termed in much more vague terms because race is on the forefront now. They don't have to be blunt about it, they just need to allude to it in some way.