Bill Clinton: Obama hates America

[Cheney Killed Bambi]

unlike John McCain:

At a small VFW hall in Charlotte, NC, today, former
president Bill Clinton contemplated a McCain/Clinton general election
matchup, saying that it would one between "two people who loved this
country" without "all this other stuff that always seems to intrude
itself on our politics."


"I think it would be a great thing if we had an election year where you
had two people who loved this country and were devoted to the interest
of this country," said the former president. "And people could actually
ask themselves who is right on these issues, instead of all this other
stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/21/794670.aspx


Wow, I am so through with that pair.

[XemaSab]

1. What a fucking sleaze ball.

:(

[kennetha]

29. THe sleazeball is the OP

who takes a pretty indisputable and innocuous statement and turns into to some attack on Obama, who isn't even mentioned. And neither, by the way are either HIllary or McCain.

You guys are getting pretty pathetic. As much as I admire Obama, I beginning not to be able to stand his supporters. At the moment, I'm half thinking that if he is the nominee that I won't vote at all just because I couldn't bear to hear anymore from his self-righteous supporters for the next four years.

[blm]

30. He's ALSO validating the RW smear in 2004 that Kerry hates America. FUCK CLINTON!!

As if in 2004 poor America didn't HAVE two candidates who loved their country.

FUCK CLINTONS. Fucking Bushprotecting Clintons are the ones who GAVE us Bush2.

[karynnj]

90. Not to mention that there should never have been the least doubt of Kerry's love of country and when

Bill Clinton's patriotism was questioned, Kerry made this eloquent plea that those attacks end.

Speech posted here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5197294

Kerry's wonderful words are a great antidote to the Clinton pettiness.

[Voice for Peace]

35. intrude into "our" politics

what's that again?

[southern_belle]

2. kick

[ecstatic]

3. I guess he's still bitter because Obama "mugged" him in SC

F*ck the Clintons.

[Recursion]

47. No, it's more that Obama stole their mojo

They aren't the young gatecrashers from the outside anymore, and that always hurts to realize, like the first time you go to a concert and it's too loud (so I imagine).

[Window]

69. Bill is pissed because if Senator Obama wins, Bill will no longer be our "first black pres."

[ZinZen]

79. Thats it!

Bill has always been the cool kid, now he is old cranky grandpa screaming at trains going by. Their time has passed them by.

[LSparkle]

4. Unbelievable ...

Why don't they both just go work for McLame if they're so convinced that he loves the
country and has met the "commander-in-chief test"????

[grannylib]

5. I don't think Bill meant that Obama doesn't love his country

although I bet he wouldn't be sorry if that's the way people choose to read it; I DO think he was trying to get people to believe that Obama carries too much racial baggage or some such shit that would make him "unelectable."

[undeterred]

7. Let's send Bill to L O S T

[roseBudd]

68. That man doesn't say anything without parsing, the meaning of is

[gateley]

6. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves --

You are SO reading into this statement. And for the record, I don't never have, liked Bill Clinton, nor am I a Hillary supporter. I just think we're getting way too ridiculous here.

Save this venom for Bushco.

[scheming daemons]

8. You tell US what the statement means then.... it's implication is pretty clear.....

[rodeodance]

37. You have a severe reading problem if you believe Bill C said that. OP is a LIE

[gateley]

Your INTERPRETATION is pretty clear to YOU.

How can we possibly know what someone's implication is?

I've been flabberghasted when hearing someone relay an incident to a third party say something like "and gateley obviously was pissed", or "it was clear that gateley meant..." and I'm going "huh???".

We really don't know. I understand that this campaign has gotten ugly, and the Clintons have a rep for being up to their elbows in ugly tactics, but sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. :shrug:

At this point, it's useless for us to waste our energy on despising the other candidate -- we need our energy to support the candidate we choose. It's going to be hairy in the GE regardless of who gets the nom.

[patrick t. cakes]

92. blind

[anamandujano]

17. They learned from the great inspirational leader, master race baiter Obama.

He's always played it that way.

[gateley]

23. You should be embarrassed, too --

Some of you guys are SO FAR over THERE that you can't see the forest for the trees. Really.


Edit: Oops -- if I'm going to chastise someone and use a tried and true saying, I guess I'd better use the correct tried and true saying. (I said "can't see the light for the trees"). :blush:

[anamandujano]

44. If the simple truth stuns your psyche so badly,

why don't you just put me on ignore.

[gateley]

51. My psyche isn't stunned -- you don't have the power. But thanks for your concern. nt

[anamandujano]

55. Your psyche is on automatic pilot. That's what happens when

you give the power to someone else, namely Obama. You can no longer think for yourself.

[gateley]

58. Put your psyche on hold and listen: I'm not an Obama supporter. nt

[olkaz]

9. Now come on everybody, did you really think the Clintons would go quietly into the night?

Oh lord, it's going to get soooo much worse.

I can't even imagine how much they're going to scratch and bite before the convention.

[anigbrowl]

10. He's right. Screw this talk of better race relations and self-examination!

What we need is a good old zero-sum game!

[leftofcool]

11. You go Bill!

You have the Obama supporters on DU frothing at the mouth. The rest of the country, of course, doesn't give a rat's ass what you say to a crowd of 80 or so old veterans, but here in DU country, they all have something new to kick you around with. Oh, and I hear their new one is that you were a draft dodger. Didn't the RW accuse you of that for about 10 years?

[bunnies]

21. Yeah. You go Bill.

You go on praising John McCain. As long as it hurts Obama, your supporters love it!

[azmouse]

32. Do you think the rest of the country should care

about every little Obama comment and the way they are torn apart here on DU?

Can you say one comment isn't worth noticing but another is? How do you decide?

[ruggerson]

12. So everytime Bill Clinton does not even mention Obama

he really IS talking about Obama?

This grows more bizarre by the day.

[leftofcool]

16. damned if ya do and damned if ya don't

[DearAbby]

40. Right wing talking points

Right wing talking points....Obama is a Mooooooooooslim who doesn't say the pledge

Another version of that Obama doesn't wear a flag pin, must not love his country

Correct me if I am wrong...how am I supposed to take this statement...explain it to me.

[leftofcool]

54. Any way you want to

[Megahurtz]

77. Don't Play Dumb.

[kevinmc]

13. Well, Bill ..... hate to tell ya ........

Story behind the story: The Clinton myth
Politico

One big fact has largely been lost in the recent coverage of the Democratic presidential race: Hillary Rodham Clinton has virtually no chance of winning.

Her own campaign acknowledges there is no way that she will finish ahead in pledged delegates. That means the only way she wins is if Democratic superdelegates are ready to risk a backlash of historic proportions from the party’s most reliable constituency.

Unless Clinton is able to at least win the primary popular vote — which also would take nothing less than an electoral miracle — and use that achievement to pressure superdelegates, she has only one scenario for victory. An African-American opponent and his backers would be told that, even though he won the contest with voters, the prize is going to someone else.

People who think that scenario is even remotely likely are living on another planet.........

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=D1491726-3048-5C12-0099B6F95FDE6303

[Cheney Killed Bambi]

25. LOL

fat lady hitting high c as we speak.

[grantcart]

14. explanation: Richardson endorsement is driving them crazy

[Window]

72. Exactly.

[dailykoff]

15. I think he means himself and McCain.

Hillary only loves Hillary, he figured that out decades ago.

[Name removed]

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[Justitia]

19. We are Witness to Bill Officially Losing His Shit. -eom

[rodeodance]

31. I see you have a reading comprehension problem-Did you read the OP?

[Justitia]

41. Calm down Cowboy. I was referring to Bill's nonstop endorsements of McCain.

Its just more of the same repub-luv he's been dishing up the past few years, but now he does it at the expense of another Democrat.

Don't flip out, its simply reality.

[Megahurtz]

81. Yup LOTSA Repub-luv going on.

[Hepburn]

20. For years, I loved Bill Clinton....

...but now, I have only one thing to say:

FUCK YOU, BILL CLINTON. You are slime just like your lying POS wife!

:grr:

[autorank]

22. Respose: "Bill Clinton loved his country so much he sacrificed Iraqi

children for his notion of national security but now lacks the courage of his UN Ambassador
Madeline Albright, who when confronted on the losses of .5 million infants said, 'It was worth it."

This is sleazy but look at the craft of it - small hall, out of the lights, designed to
seep back in and make the point. Well done in a diabolical sort of way.

UNICEF data

In 1995 a UN Food and Agriculture Organisation led by Prof. Peter Pellett (chair of the University of Massassachesetts at Amherst's Nutrition Department; [e-mail]) compared 1995 child and infant mortality levels in Baghdad to 1989 levels. On the basis of the data they collected two team members published a letter to the British medical journal, The Lancet, concluding that some 567,000 Iraqi children had died as a result of the sanctions to that date. Source: Zaidi, Sarah & Mary C Smith Fawzi (1995). "Health of Baghdadís children", The Lancet, 346, 2 Dec., 1995. http://www.casi.org.uk/halliday/backg.html

David Haliday

(Headed "Oil for Food" program for Iraq; resigned in protest)

"The World Health Organization (WHO) confirmed to me only ten days ago that the monthly rate of sanctions-related child mortality for children under five years of age is from five to six thousand per month. They believe this is an underestimate, since in rural parts of Iraq children are not registered at birth, and if they die within six weeks of birth, they are never registered."
http://www.casi.org.uk/halliday/quotes.html

[roseBudd]

70. Bill Clinton also loved his penis so much he sacrificed the Democratic party

and is at least a factor that helped cost Gore the election

[autorank]

84. Dead ender #1 - You never pull any punches;)

That's where it started, the loser took it all in 2001 and there was silence in the land - well, not really, there were 50,000 people in DC protesting and so forth but, "move on, nothing here."

:hi:

[roseBudd]

93. W did run as the guy who won't be getting blow jobs in the Oval Office from a non spousal unit

and yes thinking about Laura blowing him does make me go Ew

[rodeodance]

24. ****any Obamafolk who is jumping in with a AYE should learn not to agree with LIES of the OP***

[gcomeau]

26. Oh for God's sake

Come on! What kind of thread title is that? Do we really need to do this? I'm all for Obama, and stuff like this doesn't help anybody. Bill didn't say anything remotely like that, even if you are really, incredibly biased in "reading into" it.

[writes3000]

27. I'm sick of Bill and Hillary propping up McCain while slicing and dicing Obama.

I'm going to choose to believe that Bill didn't intentionally imply that Obama doesn't love his country. I'm going to choose to believe that "all that other stuff" wasn't an underhanded implication.

But they NEED to start backing the Democrats. They can criticize Obama but remind voters he is stronger/better than McCain.

[Ichingcarpenter]

28. Bill propped up McCain yesterday by saying he was against torture

Which was a LIE, since McCain voted for it when it came to the vote.

Now, rather than attack McCain on his hypocritical stance on torture, what does Bill do?

HE LIED, and lied to the public on McCain's rotten un-American record.

[Cheney Killed Bambi]

53. One wonders

whether Bill and Hillary will follow Joe Lieberman into McCain's camp once the Democratic party denies them.

[Ichingcarpenter]

59. That support on McCains' misrepresentation

torture vote was not a blunder it was a political calculation
and disingenious to the Democrats in Congress that voted and fought against torture
while propping up a false presentation of our national opponent.

[Name removed]

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[rodeodance]

34. ***FLAME-BAIT***OP IS TELLING A BIG LIE**

[galaxy21]

36. The sad thing is, if Hillary wasn't running, Bill would have been the first to endorse Obama

[anamandujano]

52. And you know that because he has a rich history of supporting the

black cause. For that he is rewarded by getting labeled racist.

Thanks Obama and your dirty campaign and your supporters who mimic your every move.

[Catherina]

38. How much love do you have for a country

When you misuse billions of our hard-earned money to pay for an illegal war that's killing millions of innocent people?

That's love? Clinton-style maybe but not by any real definition of the word.



"Bill Clinton ... riding dirty. He did us like he did Monica Lewinsky" - Jeremiah Wright

[biggerfishsmallpond]

89. The real unity ticket

I love your sig pictures!

[2rth2pwr]

39. Funny Obama says "typical white person" and his supporters deny that

he meant it. Bill Clinton doesn't say a word about Obama and he is accused of bashing him.

doo-doo,doo,do

Twighlight Zone, baby

[ShortnFiery]

42. Obama used "typical" to be "average" and used the stereotype to UNDERSTAND not Race Bait.

Can you see the difference?

[2rth2pwr]

45. you are example #1

[ShortnFiery]

49. Yes, like everyone else I stereotype inappropriately, but I don't "code speak" to trash an INDIVIDUA...

These political tactics are vile. :(

[lumberjack_jeff]

87. Oooh. Well that's entirely different.

Nevermind.

[bridgit]

43. If you're trying to help B&MO get past their pastor's "God Damn America" position...

posting links like this one may be be the best way to do it

[ShortnFiery]

46. No, shame on Bill Clinton! Once again using code for the white politician Southern Strategy!

:grr:

[TwilightGardener]

48. Boy, that Wright/race stuff is all they have on Obama, isn't it? They've got nuthin'.

[ShortnFiery]

56. What troubles me most is the lack of recognition that we all stereotype.

It's how we treat individuals that truly matters. However, because I grew up in South Dakota (all white southern Germans and Sioux Indians (treated black but that's another story) during the 1970s, when I first arrived in Omaha NE as a teenager, I was afraid of Black men. I've moved beyond that but even if I didn't, I would have NOT EVER treated a person of another race poorly.

We are all part of the human race. The more we USE stereotypes to divide us, the more we lose. We all lose but the ruling class 1%.

[TwilightGardener]

60. They know what Obama means--they just have to ignore that fact and

keep attacking him.

[bridgit]

62. It was naive for BO to think he would just skate on in there without...

having to answer any q's, naive for BO supporters to think he would never. I'm on my way out to the bank, and they're still playing the clip of Wright. Bill Clinton isn't the only one seeing what's going on. The RW machine chased him around for years & years.

[scheming daemons]

50. Just proves the point... their PASTOR'S "God Damn America" position.... *NOT* theirs!

...

[bridgit]

57. What the OP proves is that B&MO are still exposed to the words that were preached in their curch...

for quite some time. If all y'all would have it die down, you may want to reconsider posting links back to, in a manner of speaking, Clinton where he, or anyone for that matter is/are able to reestablish B&MO's disparity between what they say they think and what they do and say.

[ShortnFiery]

61. It's tragic that you can not have the grace to move beyond this smear.

It's all simplistic gutter politicking. But you know that? Do you care? Do you think that HRC and Bill's scorched earth policy will ever get young people and Blacks to EVER vote for them? The youth may be able to be manipulated but the BLUE COLLAR Black Americans will not *ever* vote for a Clinton again. They are far from clueless. Why do you think that HRC went from 35% of the Black vote down to 10%? That was IMO, Bill's Southern Strategy and people of color will not forget.

[Straight Shooter]

63. How egocentric does a person have to be to think this is about Obama?

If there's anything Bill Clinton has discovered, it's to never mention his name again or allude to him in any context.

I agree with the poster above; four years of this self-righteous thin-skinned howling-in-outrage over ever imagined slight is going to drive this country bonkers.

[grantcart]

64. lol how dellusional and what exactly is "the other stuff"

[Straight Shooter]

74. Oh, sweet, one of O's supporters' favorite words, "delusional."

Not dellusional.

"Other stuff" is the tripe. Silly. :hi:

[Genevieve]

65. Fuck him - his approval rating is going down the toilet each time he comes out with

shit like this.

And her staying in the race is the same as Huckabee. She's done.

[Seabiscuit]

66. "all this other stuff" = "Obama hates America"??? OMFG.

:wtf:

So incredibly stupid - welcome to my "ignore" button. If you can start your OP like that, nothing you write could ever be worth reading.

[roseBudd]

67. That man knows exactly what he is saying when he chose the words "love America"

I am so through with the Clenis twins and their smarmy ways.

[Cheney Killed Bambi]

99. yep

just as he knew what he was saying when he compared Obama to Jesse Jackson, he knows EXACTLY what he is saying here, to a group of white democrats in a southern state.

[zulchzulu]

71. "instead of all this other stuff that always seems to intrude itself on our politics" = truth

Slick Willy strikes again. The guy is a friggin' Repiglified sellout.

[nsd]

73. What's amazing to me is that ...

... for a long time the Clintons have had a reputation as the shrewdest, toughest people in Democratic politics. Only they knew how to withstand Republican attacks; only they knew how to expand beyond the party base; only they could win national elections. That's partly why Hillary was thought to be the "inevitable" nominee as recently as four months ago.

Yet, if this primary season has done anything, it's completely destroyed that notion. Such incompetence! Such clumsy, heavy-handed tactics! It's now a mystery how these people got as far in politics as they did.

Is Bill so narcissistic that he thinks the rest of us don't understand what his words mean? We've heard code words before. We've heard subtle smears before. We experienced them too. Swiftboating four years ago; Willie Horton 20 years ago; the "Southern strategy" 40 years ago. It's nothing new. Only, until now, it's always been "them" doing it to "us". I thought we were better than that.

[ecdab]

75. Dude - chill. Your thread title is dishonest.

Bill should take some some crap, but for what he said - not what you made up.

[MethuenProgressive]

80. He knows.

He doesn't care, but he knows.

[autorank]

88. Serious question

Tell me what he made up? I just read the quotation at MSNBC and it's an accurate quotation.

As for what Clinton meant, it's exactly this. There are two candidates who love their country (McCain & Hillary) and all this other stuff (Obama). It's obvious. Now you can argue that he didn't mean to cast negatives at Obama but the structure of the statement is obvious as I see it.

I'm agnostic on Obama, btw.

[JeffR]

96. I'm not an agnostic on Obama anymore, and am hard pressed to

remember when I've ever disagreed with anything you've posted, but it seems to me that all he was saying is that a presidential race (once nominees are settled for both parties) shouldn't be about these pseudo-issues. I might be wrong, of course. But as I stated elsewhere in this thread, despite Bill's serial screw-ups during the primary season, I just don't take this as another one.

[Seabiscuit]

98. You can't see how the OP obviously lied with "Bill Clinton: Obama Hates America"????

Man, you have some very fundamental reading comprehension problems.

[Megahurtz]

76. OMG

what an asshole! They just don't stop, do they?

[MethuenProgressive]

78. THIS is why normal people call some Obama's DU followers a Cult.

An OP offers up poison koolaid and the sheep line obediently up to joyfully chug it down.

[Cali_Democrat]

82. More praise of McPain by the Clintons.

[Eric J in MN]

83. Politicians make speeches which avoid controversy...

...and then reporters twist their words to gin up a controversy.

Especially if the politician is named "Bill Clinton" or "Al Gore."

[lumberjack_jeff]

85. The apparent difference between Obama and Hillary:

When Obama says something bad ("typical white person") he means something else. A good something else.
When Hillary's husband doesn't say something, it means that Hillary says that Obama is a big fat poopyhead.

[robbedvoter]

86. ****UPDATE****ACTUALLY BILL CLINTON WAS TALKING ABOUT THE NEED TO TALK ABOUT ISSUES

Update: Bill Clinton spokesperson Matt McKenna clarifies the former president's comment: "Actually, as is indicated by the quote itself, President Clinton was talking about the need to talk about issues, rather than falsely questioning any candidate's patriotism."

LEAVE IT TO MSGOP to read "between the lines"

[JeffR]

97. That's how I took it.

It struck me as self-evident.

[Unbowed]

91. Rather scummy. We have learned a lot this election cycle.

Nothing like naked ambition to make an individual show their true colors.

[totodeinhere]

94. Clinton did not say that Obama hates America.

I am an Obama supporter but I am getting sick and tired of misleading OP's on both sides.

[JeffR]

95. Agree with you about that

I read the quote, at least as presented in the link, and I just don't read into it what a lot of people read into it.

He's put his big foot into his big mouth more than once this campaign season, and made an idiot of himself. I just don't think this particular quote is another example of it.

[IsItJustMe]

100. Hey Bill, no cigar for that remark.