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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:39 AM
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I really don't like the implications of this.
Both McCain's and Obama's passport files were accessed by the same contractor. But not Clinton's. Awfully specific curiousity.

I'm not trying to accuse the Clinton campaign of anything, but if they benefitted even indirectly from the snooping of a supporter, or opposition research directed by somebody like Mark Penn, it's going to be very bad, not just for them, but for Dems in general.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:45 AM
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1. We don't know enough details yet
to start pointing fingers...but it is very disturbing
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:48 AM
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2. well, if I was going to do it - I would have the person access all
the files just to divert. You know, it could be
someone like a tabloid mag?
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BadgerKid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:48 AM
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3. What if it's a third person?
Someone who stands to gain from the collapse of both Dems and Reps?
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PM7nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:51 AM
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4. I think McCain is a coverup
It is just all too suspicious that we didn't here about this last night, but today. I think the Bush admin could be trying to avert accusations of spying on Democrats.
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:51 AM
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5. Nor do I like these implications of yours.
So you're not trying to accuse the Clinton Campaign of anything? Why not -- don't you support Obama?

So far, this whole primary campaign has been all about falsely accusing the Clinton Campaign of all sorts of misdeeds. And it has been a very effective strategy, too. If Axelrod and the MSM hadn't persuaded so many people to believe false accusations against her, Hillary would have won this thing months ago.

BTW, I assume you've seen by now that Clintons passport records were ALSO breeched, last year. The difference is that Hillary took it in stride (because she is experienced and cool-headed) while the Obama Campaign, typically, immediately erupted into whining victim mode.

NOBODY has more experience at that than Obama.

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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:55 AM
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6. I agree. All these breaches have to be investigated independently. I suggest that we should not
jump to any conclusions until all the facts are known.
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azmouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:00 PM
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9. So Obama some how forced the networks to make a big deal out of this?
wow. He has more influence than I thought.

Obama's spokesman made a statement on KO last night. Everyone else that was spoken to had no connection to Obama.
You're only seeing here what you want to see.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:21 PM
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13. Bullshit.
"So far, this whole primary campaign has been all about falsely accusing the Clinton Campaign of all sorts of misdeeds. And it has been a very effective strategy, too. If Axelrod and the MSM hadn't persuaded so many people to believe false accusations against her, Hillary would have won this thing months ago."

If you really believe any of that, there's nothing I can do to help you. Every independent and objective observer agrees that the Clinton campaign has been slinging mud since December. Even a ton of people who were formerly pro-Clinton have given up on her campaign for that reason. Complaining about supposed media bias just goes together with the rest of nonsense that the Clinton camp is pushing as excuses for their loss.

"BTW, I assume you've seen by now that Clintons passport records were ALSO breeched, last year."

Yes--once, accidently, by a trainee, who did not snoop on anyone else. (And it's "breached," by the way.)

"The difference is that Hillary took it in stride (because she is experienced and cool-headed) while the Obama Campaign, typically, immediately erupted into whining victim mode."

Hey, if you think having your background checks, medical records, SSN, etcetera snooped on is no big deal, then I'm sure you also have no problem with the government reading your email, listening to your phone calls, and watching your web browsing.

Oh, wait--that's incredibly illegal, isn't it? Then if you're not incensed that that can happen, you're not paying attention.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:55 AM
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7. Why aren't you concerned that all THREE candidates files were breached?
For some of you, your only concern seems to be how this affects Obama's campaign PR wise.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:25 PM
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14. Why are you trying to falsely equate things?
Once accidental breach a year ago does not equal three breaches, one of which preceeded by four days that photo that got sent to Drudge... I know which situation I'd be more suspicious of.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 11:58 AM
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8. Maybe we're missing the bigger picture.
Our hollow shell of a government has outsourced essentially everything. Including functions which give corporations the tools to violate our constitutional rights.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:12 PM
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10. Well put, and good point (nt)
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:18 PM
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12. Yes, indeed nt
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:14 PM
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11. I still don't like the implications, now that Clinton's files were also breached
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 12:16 PM by librechik
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:22 PM
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16. Her's were breached by accident.
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 01:22 PM by Drunken Irishman
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:49 PM
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17. so the most infamous liars on the face of the planet say
sure.I believe them. A trainee. I believe the trainee's name was Morgan Fairchild.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:14 PM
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15. So much for your conspiracy theory. nt
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:51 PM
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18. Clearly it was the Obama campaign
think about it: who gains?


(OK so - it's silly.But no sillier than all this. Obviously it was bushco. They are the ones in charge.)
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