Ok, Obama, Clinton, McLame...What's your take on passport-gate?

[bicentennial_baby]

Who do you think is behind it? And why?

:hi:

[eleny]

1. I don't believe McCain's file was accessed

That's bull to make it look even, imo.

[bicentennial_baby]

3. I tend to agree, as we are hearing that it was supposedly

accessed just a week ago or so, the 3rd time Obama's was. Fishy!

[eleny]

11. My buulshit meter went off the chart

They know we can't prove our notions. So they lie and lie and lie.

[bunnies]

19. They say the same person that looked at Obamas in March...

is the one that looked at McCains. And since that person hasnt been fired yet... We can expect the IG to give us answers.

[gravity]

2. It is probably just curiosity

If you had the ability to look at their files, it would be tempting to do so

[TwilightGardener]

10. No, these people are supposedly trained NOT to do this. It's a potential crime.

[gravity]

15. It is definitely a crime

but the motivations don't have to be political or part of a grand conspiracy

[Mz Pip]

12. I'm curious as to why

some low level data entry contractor has access to high level passport files.

[eleny]

16. You would think that many of those files would be blocked from access

[gravity]

29. They weren't supposed to

and were punished for doing it. The system triggers a warning when these files are accessed which are some measures to prevent security breaches.

There should have been tougher safeguards in place to prevent this and the system should be reformed to prevent these incidents in the future.

[SoonerPride]

4. My passport file was breached last year.

And so was yours and everyone else's in America.

Duh.

Guess what? We live in an Orwellian nightmare of government intrusion and "privacy" is nearly a faded memory from a bygone era.

We can't let the terrists win and so we got ol Big Brother scanning our emails, watching our movements with traffic cameras all over the place, and snoops and reprobates perusing our files for entertainment value (or worse).

The only thing that surprises me anymore is that people are suprised by it at all.

[Pirate Smile]

5. Clinton breach was a trainee who was supposed to pick a family members name

to practice on but instead picked Hillary. It isn't the same as the Obama breach.

[bicentennial_baby]

7. Interesting...

[Pirate Smile]

30. They were told right away that they couldn't do that.

[SeaLyons]

37. link??

got proof of your statement??

[slinkerwink]

38. MSNBC---State department said trainee was in a training with other employees

[fishnfla]

6. I'm just glad we have an equal opportunity scandal

one that does not involve name calling and diaper changing



yet

[TwilightGardener]

8. Manufactured excuse to cover politically motivated snooping.

Blame it on "poor training" and "everyone does it" and "oops, we fucked up" and suddenly it doesn't seem so nefarious.

[latinolatteliberal]

yeah, that's what I thought when my bs meter went off. nt

[slinkerwink]

20. three times requires more investigation into political means

[KittyWampus]

9. Private contractors working for the Fed. Govt. need to be put out of business. Civil servants

would be much less prone to this, IMO.

[HereSince1628]

13. Bored employees, bored MSM commentators. Bored chatroomers

Its a refreshing diversion from blue on blue vitriole.

Lets keep this up.

[slinkerwink]

14. clinton's was a training mistake, happened once

but Obama's was looked at three times, and the person who was reprimanded looked at Obama's and McCain's on Marhc 14th.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

17. Clinton supporters are waiting for an apology from some vile Obama folks

but I'm not holding my breath

[eleny]

22. First, we have to believe that hers were accessed as well

And I don't.

[slinkerwink]

it was reported the trainee's mistake was immediately caught

[eleny]

28. I just heard on the radio that it was the same people doing it each time

Sounds like they weren't fired right away. But that doesn't jive with what we heard last night.

Frankly, I'm not believing a word of this State Dept. spokesperson. And like Waxman, I want to know what company contracted with State. That's for starters.

[caledesi]

24. I do...when HC was frontrunner. NT

[eleny]

Were hers accessed very early on?

I didn't catch the date. Thanks.

[blm]

25. hers was a trainee.... that doesn't absolve the breaches on Obama's files that ended up used

in Ickes' statements.

Funny how you now LOVE BushInc when Clintons act just like them and protect them.

[Tatiana]

18. Not sure.

Bushies push Romney as VP

Fred Barnes of the Weekly Standard reports that President Bush favors former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney as Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) running mate, as does Jeb Bush, who “http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/854gvvhu.asp?pg=2">preferred Romney over McCain in the primaries.” Bill Kristol also recently stated that “Mitt Romney would be good,” adding that he “vetted the idea with former White House aide Karl Rove.”

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/09/bushies-push-romney-as-vp/

[ecstatic]

21. Clinton. Someone practiced the procedure on her file

either someone from her camp or wherever. Then later on, McCain and Obama's were investigated by Clinton.

Were Romney, Huckabee, etc. files breached?

[TwilightGardener]

27. I don't believe McCain's was breached. Not at all. That's to take the political

stench off of this.

[slinkerwink]

33. exactly

[UALRBSofL]

23. Hey bicentennial_baby One Word

Bush/Rove/Cheney Wait that was three words and Rove doesn't work for Bush any more. :hi:

[bicentennial_baby]

32. yeah, that's what I'm thinking....

:hi:

[Dinger]

26. rove Stench All Over It

In my opinion anyway.

[slinkerwink]

35. exactly

[Skwmom]

31. Not sure.

It raises a lot of questions.

1. Is it just what the state department represents? It's nothing more than curious people looking at passport files (with the type of system that was in place, it's hard to accept this w/out an investigation).

2. Did the other breaches actually occur or was a call made to muddy the waters and tramp down suspicions? If so, who made the call and who provided the favor? Since politics makes strange bedfellows, there's more than one possibility.

3. If all of the breaches actually occurred, was it:
a. Just curious people looking at passport files.
b. A combination of curious people and dirty tricksters.
b. Dirty tricksters muddying their tracks and setting up an alibi.
c. Dirty tricksters wanting to find out what was in their own candidate's file along with their opponents.
d. If dirty tricks were involved, who are the culprits (an act alone renegade or actual campaign members).

[GoldieAZ49]

34. the idiots that looked at the files, and they should be prosecuted nt

[bridgit]

36. Looks like a game a 'three card monty' to me, find the lady find the lady...

nobody wins if nobody plays...but who has the most to lose? McCain could have been tossed in there to offer up smoke & mirrors. And he would agree with that is my guess. HRC...maybe. Obama? If only to setup a premise within which he could be easily shown as circumvent-able as they already know where he's been, etc

I'm not willing to go much past it having been a republican dirty trick ala PoppyBush. Unless it was a utilized pattern and applied as such i.e. a dem having 'done it' knowing full-well Poppy-esque/PoppySpawn would be blamed.

Either way, I don't think we're talking James Bond/Jason Bourne here. Pretty sure it's just good ole fashioned shitty American politics :patriot: