Anyone who endorses someone at this late point is just looking for future favors

[mtnsnake]

like a cabinet position or some other kind of favor. That goes for DLC'ers Bill Richardson and Chris Dodd, and anyone else who waited until they thought there was a clear front runner. If those guys couldn't figure out who they supported two months ago, then they should pack their bags, quit their day jobs as politicians, and take up a new career.

If they haven't endorsed anyone by this late juncture (or even by 2 months ago) then they shouldn't endorse anyone at all from here on in, whether it's for Obama or Hillary.

Same for John Edwards and Al Gore. I think they have enough class at this late point of the game to just stay out of it. If it was 2 or 3 months ago, then it would be different.

[countingbluecars]

1. Sour grapes? n/t

[mtnsnake]

4. Sour grapes about what exactly?

[Occam Bandage]

7. The fact that a high-profile politician, who your candidate aggressively courted, who worked

in your candidate's White House, and who remains close friends with your candidate, chose to endorse your candidate's rival?

[mtnsnake]

13. I think Hillary is glad that Obama is attracting all the DLCers like Richardson & Dodd

It takes the DLC emphasis off of her and puts it where it belongs...on Obama, who is running as DLC an agenda as it gets. He's just not a card carrying member

[Occam Bandage]

17. If she doesn't want to be called DLC, why did she take a chairmanship? That isn't even

creative bullshit, mtn.

[mtnsnake]

27. I never said she didn't want to be called DLC. I said it takes the emphasis off her

Do you have problems with your eyes this morning? Get 'em checked out soon.

[Occam Bandage]

43. A distinction without a difference.

[countingbluecars]

8. Would you be saying

the same if he had endorsed your candidate?

[mtnsnake]

18. Yes, and I have been consistent about this for the last month or so

I've posted more than once that it's ridiculous to think that any career politician wouldn't know who to endorse by January or earlier. If they can't figure out by then who they like, then they have some serious issues.

[Ichingcarpenter]

2. sour grapes n/t

[kid a]

3. thats one way to look at it

a sour grapes way.

[Occam Bandage]

5. Or rather, he realizes that Hillary doesn't have a chance to win it, that she's

hurting the party by joining up with McCain to double-team Obama, and is publicly suggesting that she should exit the race.

[mtnsnake]

9. See....when you like lie that it just makes you look foolish, OB

she's hurting the party by joining up with McCain to double-team Obama

That's precious...

[Occam Bandage]

12. Where's the lie? Your discomfort alone is not proof of falsehood.

[mtnsnake]

23. You said Hillary joined forces with McCain

I suppose that's not a lie. lol

[Occam Bandage]

34. No. I said they were double-teaming him. Which they are.

Are you going to deny that they're attacking him using the same rhetoric, the same frames, and on the same issues? Hell, in the past few weeks McCain has noticeably toned down his attacks on Obama. Did he forget he was in a Presidential race? Or has he backed off because Hillary is doing such a bang-up job of using McCain's lines for him?

[mtnsnake]

49. Your exact words were: "she is hurting the party by joining up with McCain"

[Occam Bandage]

50. "...to double-team Obama." Which she is. That does not require

there to be an explicit agreement between the Hillary and McCain camps.

[caledesi]

10. I agree! NT

[mtnsnake]

11. Of course you would agree

All Obamawhiners walk in lockstep on DU, regardless of whether you're agreeing with an outright lie

[zabet]

26. When everyone thinks alike....

some are not thinking. ;)

[Andy823]

6. Could also be

They are not happy with the way Clinton has been doing things, the kitchen sink tactic, and know that this is not helping the party. They may want what is best for the party, and the country. Ever think about that?:think:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

14. What's in it for Murtha?

:shrug:

[babylonsister]

16. Ha! Good point! And if Richardson had endorsed Clinton, this thread

wouldn't be here.

[Occam Bandage]

20. Oh, this thread would have been here. Rather, it would have been explaining

that Richardson was a well-respected voice in foreign policy, and that this was proof that the pendulum had finally swung the other way.

[mtnsnake]

21. That's easy for you to say, and I'm not surprised you would come up with that

However, you are very wrong, my friend.

[babylonsister]

31. Yes, it was tremendously easy for me to say, and I really

rather enjoy my opinion more than yours. :smoke:

[mtnsnake]

19. Same goes for him. Jesus Christ it's almost the end of March!!

[Occam Bandage]

24. His party loyalty is beginning to outweigh his friendship with the Clintons, given

Hillary's murder-suicide strategy?

[zulchzulu]

15. ...except if the person endorsed Hillary... we get your point....

:crazy:

[Joe the Revelator]

22. You're forgetting the fact that SD's need to choose, and they are the only ones who can end the

bloodletting.

Get ready for the swing Mtn. I'll be here if you need a hug.

[mtnsnake]

30. Any one who endorses should have done it by now or way way earlier

It doesn't matter who they are.

[Joe the Revelator]

42. How should SD handle their endorsements?

They, arguably, are the most important part of the current situation, and the only reason that Hillary is still lingering about. What do you suggest they do?

[mtnsnake]

52. Personally, I think they should just hold off until the time calls for them to vote

...if it comes to that.

[against all enemies]

25. unless they go for clinton

[mtnsnake]

28. Nope. I've been consistent and posted something similar months ago

[against all enemies]

61. Then my apologies.

[Joe the Revelator]

I have to say that Mtn has been impressivly consistent on this

I don't agree with him at all, but he's been saying this even about a Edward's endorsement of Hillary.

No sour grapes here.

[mtnsnake]

46. Thanks Wolshy

:thumbsup:

[Joe the Revelator]

47. Knee jerk reactions are stupid no matter who people are partisan to

In other words, anytime.

[John Q. Citizen]

29. I think both candidates would appreciate the endorsement at any time. Your

endorsement calendar doesn't make any sense to me.

I didn't know there was a calendar dependent convention for endorsements. I thought they were made when the endorser decided to make the endorsement.

2 or 3 months ago, both Dodd and Richardson were still candidates for the nomination. Are you seriously arguing that they should have endorsed Hillary or Obama while they were still in the race?

Your post doesn't seem too well thought out. It seems an emotional response to your disappointment that Obama was endorsed over your preferred candidate.

[40ozDonkey]

32. Put your money where your mouth is, tell Hill to refuse future SDs.

Lets see if she stands by your principle of "pure" Superdelegates or none at all.

[mtnsnake]

35. ????

:wtf:

[Joe the Revelator]

37. You don't have her phone number!?

After that great advice you gave her before NH, I thought she'd have you on speed dial.

[mtnsnake]

41. lol

[ElsewheresDaughter]

33. amen

[helderheid]

36. and I somehow doubt you'd post this had Richardson endorsed Clinton. n/t

[Joe the Revelator]

39. Barking up the wrong tree here.

see my above post.

[mtnsnake]

40. I've posted these same sentiments in the past, more than once

[tigervalentine]

38. And the reasoning behind your opinion is . . .

what?

[mtnsnake]

44. I explained it

above...several times

[Divernan]

45. You're claiming then that HRC has stopped soliciting ANY endorsements!!!

Well everyone she and Bill and Chelsea have been phoning to push for endorsements can start answering their phones again. Unless, of course, HRC is promising future favors in return for endorsements. But she would never do that ! ! !

Seriously, the more HRC selfdestructs and damages Dem chances in November by prolonging her star- crossed campaign, the more the big guns will endorse Obama to force her to face reality.

[mtnsnake]

48. No, I never made any claims like that

[bklyncowgirl]

51. If Richardson had endorsed Clinton you'd be praising him to the skies

And no doubt the rabid Obamaniacs would be accusing him of selling his endorsement.

That's just the way it is.

[mtnsnake]

55. Is that so? Did you see me jumping up & down for joy when Murtha endorsed Hillary??

[onenote]

56. I don't recall seeing you criticize murtha? Did I miss that one?

[mtnsnake]

58. Read my OP. I included John Edwards, who hasn't even endorsed anyone yet

so that alone should tell you that I'm consistent....that and the fact that I've posted about this same subject long before today.

As for Murtha, I already posted that the same goes for him.

[onenote]

60. when did you post that the "same goes" for Murtha? When Murtha endorsed?

Funny how your OP didn't mention Murtha.

[jenmito]

53. For Richardson, ANOTHER superdelegate, to endorse Obama after the Wright controversy,

it's a big deal and a sign to Hillary that her attempt to sway SDs (by saying Obama's unelectable) isn't working. It's also a sign to other SDs.

[onenote]

54. could you link me to the post where you made this point about Murtha's endorsement of HRC?

I can't seem to find it.

[mtnsnake]

57. Can you link me to any posts where I celebrated Murtha's endorsement?

[onenote]

59. no. but your rush to criticize this when it was Richardson endorsing Obama

and your silence about Murtha's endorsement of HRC just a few days ago says quite a bit about how evenhanded you are.

[onenote]

62. False sincerity alert: OP criticizes when the endorsements are for Obama, not HRC

Oh, sure, after being called on it several times, the OP claims that Murtha's endorsement of HRC warrants criticism too. But here's the rub. Three weeks ago, the OP raised the same concern about "late" endorsements when it was Dodd endorsing Obama. In between, Murtha endorses HRC, and the OP is silent. THe inconsistency suggests a certain lack of sincerity, imo.

[mtnsnake]

64. speaking of false...

[onenote]

71. what part?

More crickets?
If you criticized the Murtha endorsement after you criticized the Dodd endorsement and before you criticized the Richardson endorsement, please provide a link and I promise to post a public apology.

[karynnj]

63. Well - as they both endorsed Obama - this means the people in the know

see him as the clear winner.

[Tellurian]

67. They do know how to lose elections, if thats what you mean.

[milkyway]

65. No, he's suggesting the contest for the nomination is over. Richardson is watching McCain take

a lead over both Obama and Clinton. He may have been thinking about waiting longer, but neither candidate is benefiting from a prolonged process. The rightwing hate machine is operating at full power against the Dem's most likely nominee, yet the party and many of its leaders have had to watch silently. The republican party, their nominee, and the VRWC, along with the McCain-loving Clintons, now are in full attack mode against Obama. We cannot afford for the Dem party to wait. It is time to join the battle.

[Tellurian]

66. Bill Richardson is giving the speech Obama wished he had given..

Applying the racial divide to the Hispanic American community. He's doing a wonderful job of showing Obama just what statesmanship is all about and is showing him up to be the novice he is in this election.

[msallied]

68. Anyone who endorses someone at this late point is just looking for future favors

unless they're endorsing Hillary Clinton, in which case it's totally cool.

[azmouse]

69. You couldn't be more wrong.

Richardson's endorsement is huge! And his speech was amazing!! :woohoo:

[SeaLyons]

70. Richardson's endorsement

is meaningless. He's pathetic, and I'm sure the 1% of the vote he got while campaigning with be a big asset to Obama - NOT!