Could someone explain to me the attributes of the typical black person?

[BigDaddy44]

Clearly Senator Obama has a view of the typical white person. How would we define the typical black person?

[Moochy]

1. Melanin?

"Big Daddy" asks an "honest" question on the "Internets"

[BigDaddy44]

3. It is an honest question

The presumptive nominee of the Democratic party just described his own grandmother as a typical white person. I'm just curious as to the attributes of the typical black person. While were at it, I'm curious as to what the typical asian person is like too.

[MethuenProgressive]

7. No, it isn't. You're mocking Obama's gaffe.

Off script, Barack sometimes says silly stuff. Like any other typical politician.


edit: added 's

[BigDaddy44]

10. A gaffe?

Okay, so if Hillary says something about "the typical black person", then she gets a free pass?

We all know that if she uttered those words, the press would go into full red alert. Al Sharpton would be demanding all sorts of things.

[Why Syzygy]

16. What about claiming she has support among Latinos and

playing to that crowd and claiming THEY belong to her. You okay with that?

You're trying to infer that racist Hillary isn't racist?

[BigDaddy44]

18. They BELONG to her?

Really? I wasn't aware that Hillary had purchased Latinos. Got a link?

[Why Syzygy]

26. You weren't in Texas then.

A Latino woman I work with told me about it. She was insulted.

[BigDaddy44]

28. If she really DID say that I stand corrected

And i'd be insulted to.

[jackson_dem]

72. Texas. You mean where she won Latinos 66-32?

[JoFerret]

60. How much did she pay?

.

[ficus1]

65. Like when she said Gandhi worked at a gas station?

That racist statement really diminished her chances at the Presidency. I remember the media going on for months and months about it. Oh wait.

[Hoof Hearted]

17. You mean Obama's racist stereotyping of "whites?"

That's not a gaffe, and it's far from silly. It was a stupid thing for him to say but at least we know how he feels now.

[MethuenProgressive]

29. That's the logic that got the Clintons labled racists by the Obama Camp, isn't it?

[redstate_democrat]

43. What about the tortured logic some of you Hillzombies

have used in reference to the "blacks". The blacks. "Barack will win SC because he is a black and blacks are lucky and all blacks will vote for Barack because he is lucky to be black and he wouldn't be where he is today if it weren't for his chocolateness". Like we are some monolithic or something. Get the fuck over yourselves. I understand white people aren't used to be regarded or considered in racial terms because you are the majority demographic, but again, get over yourselves. Now you understand what it feels like to be talked about in racial terms. You feel a little sensitive about that? You feel a little uneasy? You feel GUARDED about that? Welcome to the world of the colored people (Asians, blacks, Hispanics, Native Americans, Arabs). Clearly Barack, as HALF WHITE, was not trying to disparage white people or his grandmother. The "quote" was CLEARLY taken out of context. It's okay for white people to racialize us but when we say, "white", all sorts of alarms in the paranoid minds of some white people start ringing. Pay attention to the news and see how race really breaks down these days. See WHO is often cast as the victim in the media and who is the perpetrator and how race plays in the background.

White people are loosing their minds because "typical white person" was uttered and then have the GALL to tell black people, who have been murdered, hunted, lynched, and HISTORICALLY treated as 3/5th of a human being, that they WHINE when they bring up these racism.

Again, GET OVER YOURSELVES because most of the world gives a damn about your FAUX outrage.

[Drachasor]

70. It's a statement supported by scientific research

And it is true for me, for that matter, as well as a number of others. I made a post about this a few days ago.

Well, it does seem a bit different for women, who seem to have that discomfort with strange men in general more often. Going by my thread anyhow.

[Moochy]

9. Would it be less offensive to your white sensibilities

If he had used "Stereotypical" instead of "typical" ?

I'm trying to understand why people act offended when blacks talk about white people's reactions, as if you don't know what he means.

"Typical Asians"? They tend to have parentage from a country in asia.

[BigDaddy44]

11. My white sensibilities?

How do you know I'm white?

[Moochy]

12. The banjo music in the background?

just a hunch

[BigDaddy44]

13. Oh okay....

Just the typical white person. I get it.

[Moochy]

14. I knew if I dumbed it down a few notches you'd get it

too many notches?

[BigDaddy44]

15. No not at all

Please keeping lowering the bar. You know how thick headed us white folk is.

[Moochy]

39. Lower Bar

You are a poor excuse for a democrat who comes here only to trot out your losing candidates racially divisive talking points.

[BigDaddy44]

42. Racially divisive?

Would that Senator "all white people are the same" Obama?

[redstate_democrat]

44. I guess all black people are the same

since black people decided to start voting for the clear winner.

:puke:

Talk about typical.

[Moochy]

52. he hates his grandma cuz she's white people!!!!111111

freepers and hrc supporters say the darnedest things!!!!

[jobycom]

20. .

:spray:

[goletian]

48. typical asian is reserved... mysterious! - nt

[Dr. Strange]

73. Especially Asian women.

[haroldgiowa]

64. One more question

What are the typical attributes of a white person? Honest question.

[treestar]

75. You could make generalizations with the usual caveat that

there are always exceptions.

The typical white person usually is Christian, or was raised in that religion, got at least a high school education, has attitudes about hard work being rewarded, adherence to the rules leading to success. Modernly, the typical white person no longer thinks of black people as inherently inferior, who should be subject to different rules, but feels upset when they are blamed as racists - they think they are not and just don't like being told they are, and then get huffy and resentful. They are complacent about it, because they haven't had to struggle to even gain to opportunity to work hard, etc., so they don't understand how other people don't succeed just by taking a job somewhere and working hard, and they don't want it to be true that it might not be so, and thus they resist hearing about it.

Naturally there are exceptions and people of greater understanding, and people of lesser understanding and more ignorance.

Obama is both black and white, so he can talk about it either way. Even so, it is easy to understand why a black person will resent a reference to a typical black person. There is reasonable ground to fear it is going to be a negative thing. Even so, Obama could get away with talking about it. White people are from the group with the advantages (in general) and should be able to handle Obama's comment without resentment.

[Jamastiene]

2. I'd say other than ancestory, there are no "typical"

traits. I've seen all kinds of black people and all kinds of white people and all kinds of other races. I'm still trying to wrap my head around just what he meant when he said "typical."

[redstate_democrat]

46. Wrap your head around this

He was taken out of context. If you rely on soundbites and sensationalized news clippings to feed you your news, then of course it would take some effort to wrap you head around something that makes absolutely no fucking sense. Why the hell would Obama single out white people in such a way? Use common sense. The man's statements following this statement explained just what he was talking about. CONTEXT. It is your friend.

[doc03]

57. What about Hillary Clinton when she was in farm

country and said Obama hadn't done the spade work? I quess I will have to explain that, she meant that Obama was taking credit for the results of the harvest when someone else done the soil preparation and work for the harvest. A spade is a pointed shovel you use to dig a hole. To you Obamites that was a shrewd calculated Rovian slam against Obama. The comment about LBJ was the absolute truth, yes MLK brought the racism to light but it did take LBJ to get the civil rights legislation passed. An other factoid I don't think LBJ would have gotten the legislation passed if he hadn't used the sympathy of the assassination of JFK.

[dmallind]

4. Well they probably typically refer to typical white people, typically enough. NT

k;kl

[JoFerret]

74. typical pols are

Glass jaw whining victims?

[SoonerPride]

5. That they aren't "white"

That seems pretty typcial of the black people I know.

[Fredda Weinberg]

6. I don't know if you'll find this as I did, but when

Chad told me how Florida's African American kids looked down on Haitian classmates ... dirty, smelly, undisciplined ... there was no appropriate response. Eventually, he got the point himself - definitely helped our relationship.

Chad's the 12 year old the Delray Beach police gave me on first day at the computer learning center, along w/49 other "rugrats". The worst juvenile delinquent Lt Lunsford could find, he admitted later he was sure, "Chad would break you."

Nope. The boy embraced my mother and basically took charge, being the oldest.

So much for typical blacks.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

8. Look in a mirror.

[uponit7771]

19. Big ....well......you know.....thx

[BigDaddy44]

22. Calling Mr. Johnson ..... Is a Mr. Johnson in the house?

[doc03]

21. My view is there is no typical attributes of a black person

as there is no typical white person or any other race. I've known some of each that are lower than pond scum and others that are great people. Now if I was to say that a black person that made a negative comment about whites had the attributes of the typical black person, I would be called a racist. But if Obama views the typical white person as a racist, I guess in that case it doesn't count.:shrug:

[zabet]

23. Stupid remark by Obama does not necessarily mean

he made some freudian slip. The issue here
is, how would the media react if Hillary said
'typical black person' in reference to an issue
with an African American? She would be crucified
and that tells us there is a little bit of a double-
standard about what is acceptable when talking about
race. It depends on what race the person is making
the deragatory remarks whether they get a pass or
not.

[barb162]

32. This is another of Obama 's stupid remarks and he's getting the usual pass.

I agree that Hillary would get crucified for the same thing.
Good point!

[redstate_democrat]

49. You mean Hillary hasn't made blanket

assumptions about blacks?


:rofl:

BLINDERS!

At least Barack's statement was taken out of context and actually made sense.

[zabet]

56. Since you are so sure she has,

provide the links.

Have another glass of O-juice,
it's better than Jesus-juice. :beer:

[jobycom]

24. Are we really going to start this conservative-esque crap?

I grew up in Mississippi and had to battle that "the most discriminated against person in the world is the white man" crap far too often. Obama meant nothing wrong by it, we all understand roughly what he meant, it's sheer idiocy to think he's some white-hating racist or that his comment revealed some dastardly side. It was a simple comment that most people understood without further explanation, and I can't imagine an intelligent white man honestly being offended by it.

That's my take. And I'm a Clinton supporter who sincerely dislikes Obama and hopes he loses, so I'm not defending him for political reasons. Just ethical reasons.

[BigDaddy44]

27. I'm not offended at all

I am curious by "roughly what he meant". His grandmother is the typical white person. Are we typically afraid of black people? What is it that he roughly meant? If its so simple surely you should be able to explain it.

[doc03]

30. Obama said it so therefore it was a gaffe it doesn't count

but if Hillary made that exact comment about the typical black person Revs. Wright, Sharpton, Jackson and Sen.Obama would be demanding her head on a platter.

[jobycom]

34. Hillary's grandmother was black?

Context is everything. In the context of Obama's speech, we all knew what he meant.

And yeah, Clinton would be treated unfairly over such a comment, just as Obama race-baited her over her LBJ comment. But that's no excuse to commit the same sins.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

37. TRUE THAT!

[ShortnFiery]

35. The typical black person prefers the company of "their own" than that of the white folk.

Come on, don't tell me you haven't thought that? Why? All the members on the "step team" at our school consists of black girls save for one. There's your PROOF! :crazy:

Stereotypes help us make sense of this world. :shrug:

p.s. but correlation doesn't prove causation. :hi:

[redstate_democrat]

51. Again, you are purposefully taking his statement

out of context. He was speaking in generational terms about a specific view held by people at that time.

Example: The typical white person in the 40s attended segregated schools in the 60's. The typical white person in the 30's had higher incomes than blacks. The typical white person views America in good terms.

[ShortnFiery]

25. Stereotype - Large Young Angry-LOOKING Black men are always capable of violence.

Typical Black MAN for *many* 65-plus white adults.


"Large imposing 'black men' are all to be feared and are always capable of violence."

I personally was a jury member during a "forcefully resisting arrest" trial in San Diego during the summer of 1988. This young black man was brutally treated look VERY IMPOSING (6'4" broad shoulders, wide menacing forehead and full lips).

However, this large, menacing looking black teenager was one *lucky* ducky :sarcasm: that this trial was held during the summer. Why? Because many SDSU students, such as myself, were given waivers to delay jury service until after the end of the spring semester. It was us pinko liberal college students who were able to use empathy on a couple OLDER citizens who expressed "fear" of the man via appearance. Not all, there was another older man who could see the situations from both the cops and the black man's side.

We deliberated for three hours and found the black man "not guilty." Why? Information came out during the trial that this young black man was on the Dean's list, a member of the church's choir, and at the time coming home from a church function. Further he was mild tempered and had demonstrated NO violent tendencies in the past within the community NOR society at large. Further, one of the two arresting cops has been cited numerous times for "complaints" against minorities.

As an aside, a fellow jury member "shared with me" over lunch time that another woman on our jury had said *some very racist* things such as, "The blacks are all like that, etc" Also, against the judges cautions to not discus the case, she declared that SHE KNEW that he was "guilty" and would vote accordingly. I encouraged this woman to tell the judge but she said she did not want to "make a scene." At which point, I informed her that if she personally didn't inform the judge, that I WOULD.

Yes, she caught the bailiff's attention as soon as we returned from lunch and talked with the judge. When the judge cleared the courtroom save for the jury, he asked point blank, "Has anyone else heard the same language from this woman on our jury?" I kid you not, every other member of our jury raised their hands and separately (privately) went into the judge's chamber to tell him that she had made like remarks (He's guilty) to them.

The above experience gave me HOPE and also the comfort that ... Perhaps it's not so bad to be a fiery pushy broad who speaks up for social justice. :shrug:

No, no one recognized me personally. In fact, the woman who I intimidated into doing what I considered "the right thing" was later embraced by the Black Man's family. But that didn't matter, I knew that I had PERSONALLY made a difference. :-)

[Skidmore]

62. Thank you for telling your experience.

Proud to be on this forum with you.

[elixir]

31. I guess they would be the same as the typical white person.

[Milo_Bloom]

36. Then I guess you missed the point of the speech, eh?

[Milo_Bloom]

33. Urban, went to an disadvantaged school.

Felt the system was stacked against them, while working for others.

[CitizenRob]

38. typical black persons are typical.

[Bonobo]

40. Someone viewed with suspicion and labelled by white people?

[Straight Shooter]

41. I would have to be a "typical white person" in order to define a "typical black person."

But since I'm not a "typical white person," I have no idea how to define a "typical black person." Or any other person of color or culture or whatever.

It was a bizarre thing for him to say. That's what happens when your subconscious bubbles up on your tongue.

[goletian]

45. likes chicken, votes dem, gets loud from time to time. - nt

[Indenturedebtor]

50. LOL

I heard they have horns and fangs that they hide during the day. :hide:

Seriously though... have we forgotten that Obama is white? Or is he not white enough? Or black enough? Which is he... I dunno how to slander him more appropriately.

Can someone help?

[goletian]

54. obama is black because thats the race he resembles most. he is biracial, but he is considered black.

it is important to take his white side into account, but categorically, hes a black man.

[doc03]

59. He sort of threw his white half under the bus n/t

[JoFerret]

47. darker skin tone

not caused by sun damage

[ecstatic]

53. This one is tired of Clinton and her goons. Keep reaching

loser.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. They Are Darker Than White Folks

But race is a social construct anyway...

[ElsewheresDaughter]

58. yes I can......

“There is nothing more painful for me at this stage in my life,” Jesse Jackson said several years ago, “than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery—and then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.”

[SoCalDem]

61. Typical = stereotypical = commonly accepted perception

the odd thing is that almost ALL of these are not innate..but are LEARNED from parents, society, media..

The fact that they are NOT innate, means that the ONLY way they can be un-learned is by a conscious effort..and an unending effort.

Once you learn that 2+2=4, it's almost impossible for you to "forget" that ..

Racial divisiveness is 2+2=5...and unfortunately as long as people around you reinforce it, some people are resistant to ANY proof that, in fact, 2+2=4

It's the same mindset that allows some people to believe in "intelligent design", or that global climate change is not "real"..or that there is only ONE true faith..their own..

Narrow-mindedness is the biggest problem that we have in our country.

[JoFerret]

63. Well ..... they are .... you know...well, typical

stereotyping wins again

[otohara]

66. Good Dancers

awesome dancers, typically white people don't dance near as good as blacks. That is a fact!!!

[tokenlib]

67. Probably the same as anyone else! Human nature was the point!

We all have our prejudices and fears of those different from ourselves. Sometimes the ones most like ourselves are those we should fear the most. These cynical self-rightous white people offended at having to admit to the "racist" proclivities that most of us have hiden in our hearts are embarrassing the hell out of me.

[Drachasor]

68. "dangerous sexuality"

Ha!

[FlyingSquirrel]

69. "Let It Sink"

[The Night Owl]

77. What do you mean?

[ZombieHorde]

71. A typical Black American wears clothes outside of the house,

but not while bathing.

[MadBadger]

76. Schlong the size of Florida