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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:20 AM
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We're all racist, so can we please move past this?
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 08:43 AM by Pacifist Patriot
I am dead serious.

There are legal definitions, sociological definitions, pseudo-scientific definitions of the term. It is related to, but not necessarily equivalent to discrimination, bigotry and prejudice and bias. It results in condescension, isolation, oppression and violence.

Racism is a personal belief in the superiority of one race over others, it is the belief that members of each racial group possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race. The Merriam-Webster's Dictionary defines racism as a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular racial group, and that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief. The Macquarie Dictionary defines racism as: "the belief that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others.

But most importantly in my opinion, racism is less a matter of private bigotry than institutional and systemic constructs. And we who live within the institution have a damned hard time identifying it when we see it. It is an insidious invisible evil. A statement attributed to philosopher George Santayana. "We cannot know who first discovered water but we can be sure that it was not the fish."

We're inside the fish tank folks! Very few of us have the true ability to hold our breaths long enough to leap from the tank and reflect on its contents. Despite my progressive and hopefully non-discriminatory views I still have trouble shaking the notion that Asians are better in math and that African Americans are better in sports. Despite knowing that the Asians doing so well are working their asses off for their education like everyone else who succeeds and they don't represent all Asians. Despite knowing that professional sports is so dominated by African Americans because their economic circumstances and the cycle of education in their communities encourages atheletics as a viable means out of the dangers of that cycle.

Let me give you an example of institutional racism that may very well still be perpetuated today.

Many of us may have worked for, or currently work for, companies with a seniority policy when it comes to layoffs. You may wonder what that has to do with racism. I mean it’s only fair those who have worked for the company longest keep their jobs when times get tight, right? Besides making poor business sense—I won’t get into why you keep the most productive rather than the longest employed—in a given point in time it could indeed be racist. Consider a company that recently began hiring minorities, but then hits a rough spot in the business cycle. What happens? The minorities are the first to go, never to rise to positions of leadership and once again you have a white dominated business.

I look at my County Commissioners and City Council and have to wonder where black power operates in our community. Having listened to arguments for and against the renaming of on short, but central road to Martin Luther King Blvd., watching the proposal defeated and the subsequent loss of the alternative proposal to rename the City Auditorium after Dr. Martin Luther King, I cannot interpret the results as anything but institutional racism.

For those of us who are familiar with America before, during and after the Civil Rights movement we must guard against a terrible tendency to assume integration is racial justice when it consitutes assimilation. It is not!

To quote, Obama:

"For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division, and conflict, and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle - as we did in the OJ trial - or in the wake of tragedy, as we did in the aftermath of Katrina - or as fodder for the nightly news. ....We can do that. But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we'll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change."

In the larger context, saying someone's grandmother was a "typical white woman," strikes me as a rather petty string to wrap around the axle. My white grandmother was probably born a decade after Obama's and I'll say it with absolutely no reservations. She WAS a typical white woman...in her time and place. She was not significantly different from her neighbors and larger civic community.

I realize these have been a lot of words, but they shall be my last ones on the subject.

Obama is racist.
I am racist.
You are racist.

Now let's go bring our troops home, train some teachers, build some schools, repair some bridges......

Edited to add: I am in no way calling out individuals as bigots. Please take a moment to read the post in its entirety and understand I am calling out our society as a racist institution. As such, many of us may be engaging in racist attitudes, language and actions without even realizing it. When that is absolutely the last thing we would ever intend! Therefore, I do not find it particularly surprising or alarming when individuals utter remarks, either intentional or unintentional, that highlight the stereotypes such a system engenders. It's indicative of the problem, but not necessarily either a symptom or the disease.

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BklynChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:21 AM
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1. here! here!
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Mike Nelson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:26 AM
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2. Nicely put...
I would agree with that -- but, don't think I'm a "racist" by the definition accepted by society at large.
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GrandmaJones7 Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:31 AM
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4. OP - Speak for yourself!
I am certainly NOT a racist by any definition. Not to put too fine a point on it, but, frankly, your thread title was almost - well, offensive. And by the way, it is by definition, factually impossible for African-Americans and other persons of color to be "racist" as they do not have institutional power. Try looking it up next time before you go tossing such terms around!
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:35 AM
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5. Touching a nerve means I have given everyone something to think about.
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 08:47 AM by Pacifist Patriot
My point is not about individual discrimination but existing within a racist institution. That we all do regardless of the color of our skin. I know darned well it is about power. We live in an authoritative society that operates under heirarchical modes of power rather than reciprocal. So until we can all work together to do something to change the way we exercise power, we are all products of a racist system.

I am not a racist in the way most possible would define it, but then I would argue they are talking about bigotry and prejudice. Racism...as an ism...is systemic. And as such is a ridiculous thing to parse stray comments ad nauseum when there are larger, more encompassing issues at stake within our racist milieu.

Edited to add: Within a sociological context, no it is not possible for minorities to be racist. But they can be prejudiced or bigots. Which is where I think we have divurged. I do not use the terms interchangably, which is what I think you are assuming I've done. Please take a moment to look at the new disclaimer at the bottom of my OP.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:41 AM
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7. You didn't really read the OP, did you?
Go back and read it. Institutional power is a valid idea when discussing racism, but the OP was going beyond that idea.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:44 AM
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8. Insitutional power is critical to the issue of racism, but you are correct...
that wasn't central to my OP, although I did reference it in the examples of MLK Blvd. and the business layoff. Thank you.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:55 AM
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9. No problem
Racism is a subject I take very seriously, and I've learned a lot because of people like you at DU who can discuss it intelligently, and because of my partner of 23 years. Years ago I might have agreed that "black people can't be racist" because they lack the institutional power to oppress whites, but that's a two-dimensional way of looking at a very complex idea.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:45 AM
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11. How do you explain things like the documentary: A Girl Like Me ?
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 09:48 AM by Usrename
I don't think that your world view allows for such observations to be made.

Here's a link to a short news story about the movie. (clip is called white/black doll)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWEXJ-Qd1uw

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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 01:18 PM
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15. You most certainly are (racist)
unless you are from an alien planet.

And the notion that those who have suffered most from our racist society are not themselves racist is absurd.

It's what people DO about that fact that makes the difference. No-one gets a "pass" although we can extend levels of understanding.
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:29 AM
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3. Why can't people just accept that and start working on it?
If I KNOW that, then I can try to change it and the guilt goes away, even if I'm still accountable for the fact. Admitting it doesn't solve it, but not admitting it is complicity in continuing it.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 08:38 AM
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6. I think there is real danger in individuals asserting their non-racism...
(and I have no doubt they are sincere, I too do not consider myself personally racist) while ignoring the fact that they blithely go about their daily lives in a system that may be engendering racist attitudes and actions without their even realizing it.

I do not intend to include those who are aware of this and take pains to buck the system and/or change it. There are plenty of us around and that is the encouraging thing. As Obama said, "This union may never be perfect, but generation after generation has shown that it can always be perfected."

I do not intend for my post to be defeatest or cynical by any means. I do, however, suggest that if we succumb to such nitpicking we will lose sight of the bigger picture. Improving life for ALL is a way to empower minorities by removing resentments and opening up lives of interaction and appreciation.
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:08 PM
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12. In complete agreement
I intended my reply to support your original post. If it came out otherwise, then I didn't write what I was trying to say.

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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:09 PM
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17. Oh no, not at all.
I was agreeing with you too! Just elaborating to clarify for others.
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Fredda Weinberg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:19 AM
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10. Call me racist. I'm not ashamed, nor am I responsible for the system
that recognizes privileges. There are all sorts, you know ... part of modern angst is figuring out where you fit in. With my traditional education, I have that foundation and never needed a trip for divine inspiration.

You may despise it, but we've organized ourselves this way. The challenge for enlightened individuals is to act beyond our hard wiring, for a collective awareness that doesn't yet exist. Yes, we create our own purpose, but only if we choose to participate.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:34 PM
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13. Well said!
:applause: :applause: :applause:

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:35 PM
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14. Prejudiced, yes. Racist, no.
I think racist implies a belief in racial superiority, or something along those lines.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:09 PM
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16. Are you sure you didn't skim the post?
I provided some definitions of racism and indeed it includes a belief in racial superiority. But please note the disclaimer at the bottom. I am indicting our institutional environment as racist, not individuals as prejudiced.
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