If anyone else had made Obama' s "typical white woman" comment, they'd be toast

[journalist3072]

Watching the Today show, they just played Obama's "typical White woman" comment that he made yesterday in reference to his grandmother.

And it dawned on me that if anyone else had made that comment, they would be toast in this campaign.

So why does Obama get a free past for his racist comments yesterday?

[CJCRANE]

1. Typical, ordinary, regular, normal.

It's clear what he means - he doesn't mean it in a derogatory way.

[Perry Logan]

2. REALLY good point. It could be construed as sexist, too.

[CJCRANE]

5. Don't overdo it, he didn't say "typical white woman".

Get the quote right.

[journalist3072]

7. Uh...yes he did. They played it on the Today show this AM and he did indeed say it yesterday. eom

[CJCRANE]

8. "typical white person". There's no need to imply sexism

to a gender-neutral comment.

[Teaser]

10. Aren't "journalists" supposed to get quotes right?

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[Binka]

52. This "journalist " is a PRETENDER

[chascarrillo]

58. No, "journalist"3072, he did not. eom

[Perry Logan]

12. If he said "person," I stand corrected.

[Voice for Peace]

39. Could be construed as anal, too. nt

[bigtree]

3. It's incredible, considering the treatment he gave Ferraro in his address

That's what these moralists risk. Running headlong into their own hypocrisy.

[boston bean]

4. Since the speech, I have wondered why this passage

"And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions - the good and the bad - of the community that he has served diligently for so many years."


got so little attention. after the gaffe yesterday I wonder if anyone will pick up on this.

[JTFrog]

6. No they picked up on something much more sinister.

And I hope that everyone who tried to benefit from it gets back every bit that they gave.

[billbuckhead]

11. A soulless empty suit that wouldn't go see his mother when she was dying

Some say his sexism comes from hating his mother.

[JTFrog]

17. And another DU DINO comes out of the republican closet. n/t

[billbuckhead]

56. No answer to the rampant and casual sexism coming out of the empty suit's campaign

Blowback's a bitch.

[Hepburn]

23. There is something sinister about a black minister...

...treating white persons with courtesy and respect?

Are you off your meds or something? :shrug:

[democrattotheend]

43. What are you talking about?

What's offensive about that?

[soundguy]

9. Typical Eh?

Sounds like he is grasping at straws. I kinda pity the fool. After all these years he still does not get it does he?

[Binka]

53. Your Sig Line Says It All

An Ignorant Fat UGLY Disgusting Racist Pig. That is what I think you are. Fucker.

[ellacott]

13. You guys will grab onto anything to express your outrage

It was a poor choice of words but it doesn't rise to the level of outrage that you al are portraying. Now everyone is going to have to watch every word that comes out thei mouth while there are so many other pressing issues that no one wants to talk about.

This is kinda pitiful. The same holds true for those criticizing the Clintons for gaffes their campaigns made.

We get what e deserve from this government. No one wants to honestly discuss issues. The main thing is to look for a word to trip each other up.

Pitiful

[dsc]

14. So when he says things it is a poor choice of words

but when Bill Clinton says things it is evil and racist.

[ellacott]

15. Make sure you address the applicable party

You didn't even read what I wrote. IT'S ALL WRONG. Also, people didn't call him evil and racist.

[Window]

18. These are the most desperate losers I have ever seen. Still drinking that Hater-aid I see.

The shit they choose to jump on is mind-boggling. You are so right, a gaffe is a gaffe for goodness sake.

Desperation. Not pretty.

Quite frankly, if this is all they've got, well, they have nothing.

[RichGirl]

26. A poor choice of words!!!!???

Isn't Obama all about words. Isn't he the one who repeated "words matter" umteen times.

Let's see...what if Hillary said "typical black person"? Would you still say, not big deal, just a poor choice of words. She would be burned at the stake!!

[ellacott]

31. You can't read?

Yes, it was a poor choice of words. It was a mistake. If you had taken the time to try and understand what I said you would have noticed that I didn't excuse his POOR CHOICE OF WORDS. Why are you all acting so.......

I can't believe the mentality of some of you.

Again, you all are acting illiterate. I said it didn't matter which side it came from. There have been gaffes from both sides.

[RichGirl]

34. Apparently...you didn't read my words either!

If Hillary had said it...would it have been considered "just a poor choice of words"....You KNOW it wouldn't have. Why is Obama given a pass for "a poor choice of words" when others are crucified for doing the same thing. Joe Biden used a poor choice of words, apparently, when he called Obama articulate (although most people would have considered it a compliment). Obama should get exactly the same treatment for his "poor choice of words" as Biden did.

Yes...there have been gaffes on both sides, flip flops, mistakes, etc. But Hillary is the one who gets trashed for them while Obama gets a pass. You KNOW that's true and that is what I am saying!

[ellacott]

35. Your words:

<Would you still say, not big deal, just a poor choice of words.> I answered you, goodness. Yes I would have said it's no big deal.

This whole thing is pitiful. A bunch of crying babies on both sides. That's what I'M saying.

[RichGirl]

36. I hear you...and fine...

you would have said "no big deal" with Hillary. Unfortunately, you aren't the "typical Obama supporter" and I'm talking to all of them. Not only do they not give Hillary the slightest break, they read into everything she says in order to make it derogatory.

When she was asked if Obama was a Muslim, she repeatedly said...NO he is not. But, that wasn't enough, she was suppose to swear on her life, on Chelsea's life and ask for a stack of bibles to put her hand on to declare he is not a muslim.

I don't ask for anyone to like Hillary or vote for her or support her. All I want is a little fairness.

[ellacott]

37. It happens on both sides and it needs to stop

It seems that both sides want to portray themselves as the bigger victim. From your pserspective you may see it as unfair to Hillary and it's true. An Obama supporter may see it as unfair to him, and that's true also.

We need to stop looking for every opportunity to stick it to either candidate.

Never in my life would I have thought their would be this much hatred within our own party .

It's pitiful and it needs to stop or we will see McCain as President. We get too hung up on this dumb stuff.

[Jamastiene]

16. K&R

What would happen if Hillary called Obama a "typical black man?" All Hell would break loose. It would be considered racist by even her most ardent supporters, myself included.

IMO, when it comes to race, many many people are showing their true ignorance when it comes to racial separatism. I suggest a trip to the Southern Poverty Law Center's web site, particularly to their articles about white and black separatism. Both are equally racist and serve no other purpose but to divide the races so that we can never have a true multicultural society that is INTEGRATED. And I'm not talking about just in schools. I'm talking about in lives.

Until we integrate and dammit get to know one another, we are truly toast. Racial separatism is never the answer. And that "typical white woman" comment was as separatist as it gets. Obviously, Obama doesn't know many white women or he would realize we are not a monolithic "typical" anything. We all have different views, different ways of doing things, and different ideas on how to move forward on issues.

[shayes51]

19. Because he gets a free pass on everything.

He's the savior. Remember?

[Jai4WKC08]

30. He won't get a free pass from the Republicans

If he wasn't unelectable before, he's sure made himself unelectable now.

[shayes51]

51. I TOTALLY agree with you.

[ShortnFiery]

20. I don't know, my best friend and her husband who are in a bi-racial marriage often speak of

"typical white" and "typical black" behavior.

My Point: If we INTEGRATE - yes, actually mix with members of the African American Community in open and cooperate it's less awkward of an discussion.

The only mistake that BO made was that those who do not have close friends or family members of "the OTHER race" tend to live by those stereotypes. They are IMO, *projecting* their own fears toward the person who is only attempting to talk candidly.

We need to be MORE OPEN, even with people like Geraldine Ferraro. She does not have the capacity to understand what Obama's pastor (a man who served in the USMC and has received two commendations, and helped build the church from 87 to 8400) in his own faults and resentments. If she can not permit herself to "look within" then she can not ever walk in a *typical* black man's shoes.

Why has the media NOT covered Rev Wright's laudable career as well as the history of his church? That, for good or bad would HUMANIZE him more. :shrug:

Remember that Obama is HUMAN and reminded us in his speech that his campaign is "imperfect."

[Mezzo]

21. IOKIYBO nt

[ShortnFiery]

24. Please excuse my ignorance, but what does "IOKIYBO" abbreviation represent?

I'm completely stumped on this one. :shrug:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

33. It's OK If You're Born Obtuse.

Like Mezzo. :)

[Iceburg]

22. Obama has some serious issues. /nt

[Pacifist Patriot]

25. This country has some serious issues.

As George Santayana said, it wasn't the fish who discovered water. Think about it.

[wowimthere]

50. Yes this country and Clinton supporters have real issues

I can't understand what you see in her. I was a supporter of hers at one point in time and now I can't see what I ever saw in her. That war vote just showed me who she really was. She's also a very decietful politician on all fronts. And to boot... not very smart. She is proving now that she isn't even politically saavy. Her war vote/lie. The NAFTA lie. I think she's actually proving what I've heard. That she's dumb, out of touch. How can anyone vote for her without laughing their ass off.

[LaurenG]

27. Because he is white as well. What part of "this whole thing is racist" don't you get?

Obama is WHITE and BLACK. Is it because white people don't like the fact that he has a white granny?

What he said pertains to his personal history and his genes. He has a prejudiced typical white granny. I'd say the majority of whites in his granny's day were prejudiced because they were brought up in a society that thought that way.

There is always something to be insulted over with some people. Win at any cost huh?

[EffieBlack]

28. Don't you LOVE it?

When Obama is doing well and it looks like black folks might "get the credit" for Obama, some white folks are very quick to remind us, "He's HALF WHITE, YOU KNOW!!!"

But now, all of a sudden, the one-drop rule has been re-invoked and Obama is a black man who has his NOIVE saying anything that someone MIGHT construe to be disrespectful of white people.

Go figure.

[Florida22ndDistrict]

42. RE: Don't you LOVE it?

I'm curious why you would think that any racial group would get credit for another's actions? Obama is his own man. The credit for his successful showing in this primary race goes to him and his campaign staff, not to a segregated group of people formed by painting broad strokes. It's true that Obama has a high melanin content in his skin, so scientifically you could classify him as a Negroid if you really enjoy racial divides. Being that you seem to like to separate people by skin color, should white people take responsibility for Michael Jackson due to him bleaching his skin and caving up his nose? Should black people take responsibility for someone who takes melanin promoting drugs and spends a lot of time in the sun?

A man is made up of his history of experience, and the decisions he has made along the way. His cultural upbringing in a family of white people had some influence on him. His friends, teachers, colleges, and romances undoubtedly had an effect as well. Why not treat him with a little more dignity and look at his policy positions and ideas rather then sizing him up to be a token black man that might become president?

As far as his comments, well they speak for themselves. The only thing typical about white women are that they have a vagina and have colored skin (i.e. Beige on normal occasions, red when sun burned, blue when cold, and gray when dead). Other then that he is painting broad strokes, and that is typical of bigotry. He should work that out on his own terms.

I do not think the media should jump on him about it, but then I don't think they should jump on white people either. Its ridiculous how much the media prays on race. A white politician could be talking about his black shoes and it would become a weekly story hitting all the headlines about how he should have said his African American shoes. Its ridiculous.

[EffieBlack]

55. Do you know what it means when someone puts "quotations" around a phrase?

Jeez.

[emanymton]

29. You Say Potato, I Say Potato. You Say Tomato, I Say Tomato

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"...
And it dawned on me that if anyone else had made that comment, they would be toast in this campaign.

So why does Obama get a free past for his racist comments yesterday?" What racist comment??

Now that one is totally lost chasing down and trying to parse a word, can we get back to discussing the issues Mr Obama was talking about? USA has serious issues that need to be discussed as adults. Can we pretend we are adults?

Calling Mr Obama a racist as if that means anything, is totally comical (and childish). One's pissing and moaning about how racist it is to refer to group of people for purposes of a discussion intentionally misses the point. Does one really think Mr Obama is a racist because he tried to make it understood that groups of people have common responses in common situations?

It is important to understand that groups of people approach issues from different backgrounds that are typical. People from Virginia have a typical response to issues. People from Hawaii have typical responses.

So can we agree, as adults, that there is a 'typical' response? Or is this idea too 'sexist,' 'racist,' 'ageist,' 'humanist' or 'naturalist?'

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[The Backlash Cometh]

32. I'm sorry, but nobody believes that shit anymore.

Get real. Bush and Cheney have wiped their asses with the Constitution without being held accountable for anything, Yet Gore lost an election because of his clothes and hair and because nobody wants to drink beer with him; Kerry lost it because he was wind surfing; Hillary almost lost it for showing too much cleavage. You should start asking why Dems are being held to a tougher tests than Republicans.

Reality is, that black Americans have had to abide by certain social rules for centuries, so if they have come up with some general views about white people in order to protect themselves from a "Passage to India" scenario, well I can certainly understand it.

[TeamJordan23]

38. So now Obama is not considered half white? NM

[Bonobo]

40. Are you really black? I almost cannot believe it.

You seem not to have the usual range of experiential knowledge that most minorities gain in their life as a result of the prejudice they face.

Oh, you can go and act outraged now that someone would say that to you. Go ahead, I assure you I will be suitably unimpressed with your faux outrage.

[Buzz Clik]

41. What the hell are you talking about? HE was talking about his grandmother.

Why would I be toast or Hillary or Bill Richardson or John Edwards if we described our grandmothers as typical white women?

GD-P has gone insane.

[wowimthere]

49. with some... the truth hurts...

There is nothing wrong with explaining your family and some of these people are in fact reaching.

[Avalux]

44. Because it's his grandmother and he lived it. He can say whatever he wants about it.

I can empathize with him; I cringe when I'm in the car with my white mother who locks the doors when she sees a black man on the sidewalk. It's something that NEEDS to be discussed. His grandmother loves him dearly (regardless of his skin color) but at the same time, has a fear of black men. As a young man, Obama had to wrap his head around that. He can talk about it all he wants.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

45. absofuckinglutely!!!

[Milo_Bloom]

46. Because the comment isn't racist?

No matter who utters it.

[uponit7771]

47. Obama would know, he IS a white man....thank you

[wowimthere]

48. You're really reaching on this one....

He explained his heritage and he is basically saying, this language should be denounced on all sides. You listen to too much Rush Limbaugh. If you listen to the entirety of Wright's sermons, instead of just the reverb of soundbites the media is feeding you, you would understand what Wright was really saying.

Everyone jumped all over his statements as if he was a racist and anti-American. Most of you Clinton supporters dont' do your homework. You take everything at face value. It's why Clinton is in so much hot water... because she is so damned unprepared. The war vote... didn't read it... NAFTA... didn't think she'd get caught... Kyle/Lieberman amendment... warmonger...

She was outcamapaigned by Obama. She doesn't deserve the nomination. And this from someone who was once s Hillary backer.

Obama should win the presidencey because he deserves to.

[Nedsdag]

54. Can someone tell journalist3072 for me (she has me on ignore) to STFU.

She hasn't made any sense since she's joined DU and it's starting to take a toll on her.

[Hoof Hearted]

57. If Hillary had said anything remotely resembling "typical black person"

everyone knows damn good and well how that would have been received.