Calling Out The Freepers

[KingOfLostSouls]

I find it interesting that any member of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY should be making light of, and excusing, the bush administration spying on our presidential candidates, members of Congress, party officials, etc etc


this cuts to the heart of the debate on domestic surveillance. who is being spied on. who has secret files being made up on them. what is the criteria. etc etc. I for one am not willing to give a free pass to people who have shown not just a willingness, but an EAGERNESS to use corruption of our governmental institutions against our party. how many crucial votes were bought with intimidation, fear, and scandal through illegal wiretapping and access to protected secure data and information?


in light of what has happened to governor don siegelman, and the republican party's use of agent provocateur's in the past (phil parlock, communists for kerry, etc)


I think it is time to call out the freepers in disguise here. by attacking senator obama's passport files, the republican administration is continuing the treachery that began in watergate, and has continued to this day. these are fascist moves by a fascist party that seeks not to win through elections, but by intimidation, illegal surveillance, personal invasion, and as we've seen with governor siegelman, when all else fails, by corruption and brutality.

it is unthinkable that any right minded member of the democratic party would at this point give this administration a free pass, while making light of our members, candidates, and supporters.

it is time to begin calling out the freepers. if we do not stand together on this, it places in jeopardy not just senator obama, but any member of our party, be it a congressman or woman, governor, party members. and not just them, but the general american public.

are you willing to trust the bush administration's word and make light of our own party?

I know I'm not.

[roguevalley]

1. I have seen that. Discounting this. If it were their candidate, they

would be sharpening their pitchforks. I would loathe this if it happened to anyone. I am sick of lackidaisical shit and I am sicker of this kind of stuff if it turns out to be politically motivated. It will come out. something like this can't be buried.

[helderheid]

11. absolutely and thanks for your post!

[roguevalley]

16. consider if this is allowed and someone snooped through our

financial and medical records. it happens I'm sure. You would never know why you were denied things in your life if this happened. God help us all and GO MEDIA GO!

[Life Long Dem]

17. Is that how Hillary would handle a security brerach in the white house?

On edit I misread your post, but I'm sure Hill supporters will come out and say they are sick of all this mud slinging or some stupid shit.

[guruoo]

38. Here?

[Life Long Dem]

40. I watched some, I'll watch more later, love the graphics

[fascisthunter]

2. Damn Straight (nt)

[havocmom]

3. Yep. Those who aren't outraged are part of the problem

If not freepers, neocons, or paid operatives and agitators, they are so blinded by ambition as to be unsound of mind.

[sailor65]

4. You're addressing the wrong group

I don't think you'll honestly find too many here giving the admin any kind of free pass. The contempt is pretty uniform among us on that. The problem is not at DU, the problem is the Democrats that we've supported that are now giving the pass themselves.

[bbinacan]

5. I'd like to know

if the one's who leaked the info. were Clinton supporters.

[KingOfLostSouls]

9. No

I refuse to even mention clinton on this. I'm not an obama supporter so I won't even entertain notions that clinton did this.


this is a bush conspiracy, plain and simple.

[bbinacan]

25. If it were a Bush

conspiracy, don't you think it would be more effective in the GE? Not now.

edit to add: Welcome to DU!:toast:

[KingOfLostSouls]

27. Bill Maher summed it up best

"you know how it wasn't bush? because it worked."

this got leaked for a reason. not to damage clinton, but someone was letting us know whats going on.

this is chatter. this is someone on the inside leaking to the media, "hey...you guys are being spied on. your worst fears are coming true."

my guess is some right minded public employee whos been around as a lifer in the state department decided to send out a signal to us what is really going on behind the scenes. it doesn't matter if its a presidential election, but theres a whole lot up for grabs in this election.

imagine mccain winning and in a stunning reversal, republicans retake congress. thats a nightmare. the most likely scenario of a mccain win involves democrats gaining in congress

UNLESS....the entire bush administration is hardwired the government up to use against us.

I mean come on, they're keeping a former governor as a political prisoner down in alabama. is it that hard to fathom?

[bbinacan]

30. I try not to

formulate my opinions based on what a comedian says.

[KingOfLostSouls]

33. it was just a good quote

the point is, this doesn't SMELL like a clinton thing. in fact, someone already posted that the company who contracted the employees is a subsidiary of dynacorps

one of bush's favorite military contractors.


nope, this is a republican scandal. its inept, fascist, and is linked to a private contractor.

[DJ13]

20. were Clinton supporters?

Its cant be completely ruled out.

They were private contractors, not Bush administration employees.

[KingOfLostSouls]

24. Until theres evidence

I won't point a finger at the clinton campaign. they've pulled some nasty stunts but no, this is beyond even them. this doesn't smell like a carville/penn kind of tactic either.

clinton's have a different kind of political style you can spot a mile away. they're too casual to do something like this. plus I just don't think they have the influence or would even think of pulling something like this. I think even carville would be like, ok this is going a bit too far.


no, this is straight out of the rove/cheney/rumsfeld watergate playbook. you can tell a republican scandal when they do it because its so brazen and right out front, they don't even bother to cover it up.


probably because they have the goods through wiretapping on the people investigating them...

[bbinacan]

32. Can I have some of

what you're smoking? This is Clinton, business as usual. :smoke:

[Neshanic]

6. You Obama supporters wanted the grand conspiracy. Well here it is.

All wrapped up in a neat package.

[KingOfLostSouls]

12. Not an obama supporter

Biden was my candidate, its been well known whenever I've posted.

if this was senator clinton, I'd say the same damn thing.

this is REPUBLICANS attacking DEMOCRATIC members.


get your head out of your ass and look at the bigger picture. tunnel vision from "head in ass" syndrome is only an excuse for ignorance for so long.

[Forkboy]

22. It can't be easy to miss the point by that much.

But you did it! Congrats!!!

[fascisthunter]

35. uhuh...

"i make poopie in pants".

[eleny]

7. I just added a new crop to my Ignore list because of that sort of response

For me, this is very telling about the true agenda of those individuals. Dems or freepers, I have no need to read their thoughts here from now on.

And thanks for your posting, btw. :thumbsup:
K&R

[jimshoes]

19. As did I,

at least 6 just today. They really do tip their hand sometimes.

[K Gardner]

8. You only have to look on the front page at all the threads making "fun/light" of this episode. They

are all there, like a chorus line.

[FARAFIELD]

10. Thats because there are so many freepers

hiding as hillary bots on here it isnt even funny.

[backscatter712]

13. Start using that alert button.

Bring the mods in on this.

I hope the mods are gonna start bringing down the ban hammer at least on the more transparent freepers...

[KittyWampus]

14. we are not allowed to call out DU'ers BUT, I do think you've phrased the issue well.

[KingOfLostSouls]

18. My personal feelings

is that theres a lot of more outrageous posters on the Obama/Clinton debate who aren't REALLY here to support them

my post count is under 1000 but I've been a member of DU almost since it began. I just haven't really posted as much til this election cycle. after Howard Dean lost the nomination, I kinda grew disgusted with politics. Biden got me re-energized and he was my nominee.


this is a threat to ALL our candidates. its not just a president being elected this year, we have a chance to add seats in the senate and the house, not to mention state and local elections. this kind of shit is a threat to ALL of the democratic party.

anyone who can't see that is either too fanatical....or a fraud.

[KittyWampus]

23. I'm still licking the wounds from Biden not getting a fair shot. Blasted media grumble grumble

He was the obvious choice.

[KingOfLostSouls]

34. Agreed

I'm still hoping he'll accept the VP nod if asked.

he could do so much for the world there where he is truly needed.

[Life Long Dem]

15. Internet Baiting

Bait this. Will Hillary look guilty if she doesn't talk about the security breach in the White House?

[KingOfLostSouls]

21. Not to me

but I have no dog in this hunt just yet.

but her campaign should condemn it. if she does wind up the nominee, then she'll be the next one with a bullseye on her, but my guess is she's probably been snooped on as well.

[Life Long Dem]

26. Look who is in the WH and look what Bush said.

Bush said Hillary will win the nomination. Now those words I do not trust.

[KingOfLostSouls]

29. Bush says a lot of things

they all turn out to be false.

he's just stirring the shit there and thats all. antagonizing one side. thats another Rove tactic, they've been using that one since watergate.

[guruoo]

39. ...

[guruoo]

37. Here?

[Raine]

28. Right, they are showing their true

selves. :-(

[apocalypsehow]

31. I was with several of my Latin students finalizing plans for our spring Roman festival, when a

colleague wandered into the lounge and said "well, I guess you've heard they've been pilfering through Obama's state department files?" She then filled in the details as they were known at that time.

I'm ashamed to admit it, but my first thought was: I wonder how many HRC boosters at my favorite progressive discussion board are already wearing out keyboards defending such illegality because they're hoping against hope that something turns up to damage Senator Obama? I see my concerns were warranted.

[guruoo]

36. you're correct -and they're relatively easy to spot....

right here in this thread.
Read on...

[KingOfLostSouls]

41. Well its safe to say

we're going to be seeing a lot of them pop up

I know we can't "call people out" but yeah

its kinda hard to miss now after this whole passport thing.

[fascisthunter]

42. They aren't too Hard to Miss

and they are here to disrupt, and spread misinformation on DU.