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TAWS Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:38 PM
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Tennessee Governor Wants Primary Decided JUST By Superdelegates and Hillary Agrees!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080319/ap_on_el_pr/superdelegate_primary

"Why doesn't the Democratic Party hold a presidential primary among its superdelegates to reach a quick decision between Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton?

Tennessee Gov. Phil Bredesen proposed the idea Wednesday, saying Democrats will suffer in November if the nominee isn't decided until the party's August convention."


He said he has spoken with Clinton, who "certainly wasn't repelled by the idea."

Unbelievable that she didn't reject the idea outright.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:42 PM
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Obama said he liked the idea too
On A/C 360. All Bresenden is proposing is that once the primaries are over, the supers get together and do in June what they are scheduled to do in August, to allow the nominee more time to build support and bring the party together, and to avoid a divisive convention.
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Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:42 PM
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1. why not?
If this thing can be decided in June after all the primaries are done, it's better for everyone involved. Gives the party time to heal for whatever verdict the superdelegates decide.
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:42 PM
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2. Of course she would want that, by the time she is done she would be promising
including the moon in the back rooms.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:44 PM
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3. Hmmm, TAWS ...
There is a world of difference between Hillary "certainly not being repelled by the idea", and "Hillary agrees!"

This is the kind of innuendo-laced headline that one expects to see on FAUX-News, but is not appropriate here.

And BTW, I'm a staunch Obama supporter - so my comments are not biased by my choice of candidate.

This is just WRONG.







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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:18 PM
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4. my understanding of it is...
Not this this one primary will be the only primary that counts, but that this group of super delegates will be treated as a primary, and those totals will be added to Clinton's and Obama's totals. The goal is to not let this drag out for months.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:24 PM
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5. We can't let this bleed into late August
Five more months of this snipping and sniping will ruin us. This has to be over after the last primary in June. The superdelegates can make that happen.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:30 PM
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6. Yeah, hey, why not??? If FL & MI can't count, why should any of the other states?
GRRRRRRR........

That's all I gotta say, just GRRRRRRRR....
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:31 PM
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7. I like the idea of free gold. And ice cream.
No, clinton. You don't get to cheat. GIVE UP, you're done.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:35 PM
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8. Interestingly enough -that's not too far afield from how parliamentary systems choose party leaders
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 10:35 PM by depakid
Not to say I endorse that in the states- I don't, but I do find it curious that other nations don't seem to have a problem with it.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:41 PM
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9. Dean sent out word that it would not be approved.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 10:42 PM by madfloridian
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:52 PM
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13. Then it won't happen..it seems kinda
weird, anyway. Too bad hilary can't get shut out of PA and end this on April 22nd.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:45 PM
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10. Why would he think voters would be okay with that?
Is he really that out of touch?

And why - absent some serious arm-twisting - would that help reach a quick decision?
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:47 PM
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11. "Certainly wasn't repelled to the idea" is the new Yes, I agree.
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Liquorice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:49 PM
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12. Hillary is just terrible! How could she agree to such a thing? Oh wait a minute...
Obama agrees too? It's a fantastic idea!
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:52 PM
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14. Red Herring and unnecessary. On June 3, the undecided Supers
can just endorse one or the other. At that point, if one of the candidates has the PD's and SD endorsements necessary to win (2,024 under current rules) the other candidate should say "congratulations" and not wait for it to become formalized at the convention. This would give us a presumptive nominee and allow for 5 months of campaigning against McCain.

If Hillary's within a close enough margin that counting half of MI/FL (the most likely scenario) could possibly give her the nomination, I'm sure the supers would take that into account when making their endorsements. They're not stupid.

P.S. Hillary would need to take 57% of the remaining PD's to get within 34, the number she would pick up if MI/FL were awarded half their delegates and superdelegates.

P.P.S. Hillary would need to take 54.3% of the remaining PD's to get within 67, the number she would pick up if MI/FL were awarded ALL their delegates and superdelegates.

So, if for example Hillary took 53% of the remaining PD's, she'd be at a point where even if you counted MI and FL, she would be behind in overall delegates.

In reality, I don't see her taking more than 52% of the remaining PD's. By all means, on June 3 let the Supers make their endorsements. We'll see if they would be willing to overturn a clear victory by Obama even counting MI and FL.
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