Delegates, Super Delegates and ??? WTF Add On Delegates ????

[grantcart]

While everyone is focused on Pennsylvania as the next big primary actual delegates are being chosen all of the time.

You have the state conventions meeting and making the actual decision based on caucus support you also have states adding on a total of 81 additional delegates - bigger than most states and roughly half of the lead that Obama has over Clinton.

Here are the details of the "ADD ON DELEGATES"

http://www.demconvention.com/how-to-become-a-delegate/

Add-on delegates - May be selected by either the same selecting body that selects the state's PLEO delegates or by the same selecting body which will select the state's "at-large" delegates. They can be selected whether or not they previously filed a statement of candidacy for a delegate position or submitted a pledge of support for a presidential candidate. There are both pledged and unpledged add-on delegates.


A total of 81 delegates (75 if you exclude Florida and Michigan) will be chosen between Feb 23rd and June 21st by individual states- most states get 1-2 delegates. So far 5 delegates have been chosen. One would expect that the small states who only have one delegate and are predominately Obama big win states would be appointing mostly Obama delegates. Bigger states that have 3 or 4(New York) or 5 (California) would likely see split appointments.

Again you would expect that after all of the add-on delegates were appointed that there would be another net gain for Obama of 10-15 delegates.


From demcomwatch who also credits Green Papers

http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008/03/add-on-superdelegate-selection-schedule.html
States schedule to select Superdelegates Add-ons

State, # of UnpledgedAdd-Ons, State Convention Date Method of Selection / Add-ons (Green Papers)

Oklahoma 1 2/23/2008 Reggie Whitten selected during the Party State Convention.

Alabama 1 3/1/2008 Stewart Burkhalter selected during the State Democratic Executive Committee meeting.

Arkansas 1 3/8/2008 Mark Wilcox selected during the State Convention by a vote of the delegates.

Tennessee 2 3/15/2008 Vicki Harwell and Jerry Lee selected by the State Executive Committee.

Connecticut 1 3/26/2008 Selected during the Democratic State Central Committee meeting.

District of Columbia 2 4/3/2008 Selected by the DC Democratic State Committee. At least one of these delegates shall be a "Shadow"
Representative, if a Democrat.

Delaware 1 4/5/2008 Selected during the State Convention by a committee of district-level delegates.

Florida 0/3 4/5/2008 Selected by the Florida Democratic Party State Executive Committee.

Missouri 2 4/5/2008 Selected by the Democratic State Committee (Section IX.A. of the 3/2007 plan states that the add-on delegate is
selected on 5 4/while Section IX.E. says the delegate is selected on 10 May.)

North Dakota 1 4/6/2008 Selected at the State Convention by a vote of all the caucuses.

New Jersey 2 4/17/2008 Elected by a vote, consisting of a quorum of 40% of the Members of the New Jersey Democratic State Committee.

Arizona 1 4/19/2008 Selected during the State Convention.

New Hampshire 1 4/26/2008 Selected by open ballot, majority vote, by a committee of district-level delegates.

New Mexico 1 4/26/2008 Selected by the State Party Central Committee.

Maryland 2 5/1/2008 Selected at the State Democratic Central Committee meeting.

New York 4 5/1/2008 Selected during the State Democratic Executive Committee

Louisiana 1 5/3/2008 Selected by the Democratic State Central Committee).

South Carolina 1 5/3/2008 Elected during the State Convention

Illinois 3 5/5/2008 Selected during the State Convention

Utah 1 5/9/2008 Elected by a quorum of district level delegates during the State Convention

Massachusetts 2 5/10/2008 Elected by the State Party Committee

Ohio 2 5/10/2008 Selected by the State Executive Committee

Colorado 1 5/17/2008 Selected during the State Convention

Kansas 1 5/17/2008 Selected during the State Convention

Michigan 0/2 5/17/2008 Selected by the State Central Committee.

Nevada 1 5/17/2008 Selected by the state convention as a whole

California 5 5/18/2008 Selected during the Delegation Meeting

Alaska 1 5/23/2008 Selected at the state convention

Georgia 2 5/24/2008 Selected during the State Committee Meeting

Wyoming 1 5/24/2008 Selected during the State Convention

Hawaii 1 5/25/2008 Selected by the State Party Committee

Maine 1 5/31/2008 Selected during the State Convention

Mississippi 1 5/31/2008 Selected by the State Convention

Kentucky 1 6/7/2008 Nominated by the Chair and selected during the State Convention

Minnesota 2 6/7/2008 Elected during the State Convention

Pennsylvania 3 6/7/2008 Selected by the Pennsylvania State Democratic Committee

Texas 3 6/7/2008 Elected at the state convention

Vermont 1 6/7/2008 Selected by a quorum of elected district level delegates

Montana 1 6/8/2008 Selected during the State Convention

Wisconsin 2 6/13/2008 Just before the Convention meets, the Administrative Committee of the Wisconsin Democratic Party chooses these delegates

Idaho 1 6/14/2008 Nominated by State Chair and selected by State Convention Delegates

Iowa 1 6/14/2008 Selected at the state convention

Virginia 2 6/14/2008 Elected at the State Convention

West Virginia 1 6/14/2008 Selected by the State Democratic Executive Committee

Washington 2 6/15/2008 Nominated by the State Democratic Chair and selected during the State Convention

Rhode Island 1 6/19/2008 Selected by the State Committee

Indiana 1 6/21/2008 Selected by the district-level delegates at the State Convention

North Carolina 2 6/21/2008 Selected during the State Convention

Oregon 1 6/21/2008 Elected by the State Convention

Puerto Rico 1 6/21/2008 Selected during the Democratic Assembly

South Dakota 1 6/21/2008 Selected during the State Party Central Committee meeting

Nebraska 1 6/21/2008 Selected by the State Convention

Total 76/81 -- --


And here is the state convention schedule

a) Washington . . . State Convention 5/17
b) Alaska . . . . . . .State 5/24
c) Am Samoa . . . . .?
d) Colorado . . . . . .State 5/17
e) Idaho . . . . . . . . .State 6/14
f) Kansas . .District 4/12 . . . .State 5/17
g) Minnesota . . .District 5/17 . .State 6/6
h) N Dakota . . . District May State April
i) Nebraska . . . . . .County June State 6/28
j) Washington . . . County 4/19 Dist 5/17 State 6/15
k) Maine . . . . . . .State 5/31
l) Hawaii . . . . . . State 5/25
m) Texas . . . . . . State 6/6

[phrigndumass]

1. I guess we need to read up on these ...

Does this change the number of delegates needed to nominate?

:thumbsup:

[grantcart]

2. no these are superdelegates that have not yet been chosen

there maybe a total of 4 of us here that care about this crap but I thought it was interesting to get it defined and also get the schedules so we can follow it as it goes.

[TheDoorbellRang]

3. I must be one of the four

I'm really enjoying the numbers game. :-)

[grantcart]

4. One of the four - there will be a test tomorrow at 3 bring a pencil

[Exilednight]

6. Does it have to be a #2 pencil?

[MaineDem]

5. No, these delegates are already figured in to the total

They are included in each state's total delegation.

[sniffa]

7. There was an article about these in (Sunday?)'s Boston Globe

It was fascinating to read. It didn't list every state, but compared a few.

[MaineDem]

8. All caucus states hold another "vote"

At least I believe so. It's the case here in Maine and the next vote is almost more important than the caucus vote.

The count done at the next level, in our case the state convention, determines for certainty how many national delegates each candidate gets. If delegates don't attend the convention or if delegates switch (although ethically bound) to another candidate, the numbers projected at caucus time could change. It's incumbent on the campaigns to make sure all their delegates remain committed and turn out for the convention.

In 2004, the Kucinich people were so good at getting their delegates out to the convention and the Kerry people didn't even try that DK picked up National Delegates at Kerry's expense.

[Exilednight]

9. Some states even hold another vote after that. I heard Washington state holds something like.......

four votes before actually selecting the delegates that go to the national convention.