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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:45 PM
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My sympathies to all Clinton supporters.
I would be feeling so embarrassed about now. I don't think I'm being snide or mean-spirited here, as I really do "feel your pain". I
know it's always difficult for me to admit I've made a poor choice of any kind, especially a political choice I've defended publicly.
So when I genuinely imagine being a Hillary supporter at this point in the game, trust me, I feel your pain.


Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP .. a la Bill on Rush's hate radio
For a party that loves to hate the Clintons, Republican voters have cast an awful lot of ballots lately for Senator Hillary Clinton: About 100,000 GOP loyalists voted for her in Ohio, 119,000 in Texas, and about 38,000 in Mississippi, exit polls show. A sudden change of heart? Hardly.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/17/many_voting_for_clinton_to_boost_gop/


Hillary won't disclose her pork barrel past
Democratic Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton continues to practice the politics of evasion and doublespeak.
Her campaign's latest example of doubletalk concerns earmarks -- otherwise known as pork barrel legislation.
Seems the Senator won't disclose her past earmark requests, choosing to say that she will be transparent about things she does from now on and not about what she has done in the past.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cont/node/4875


Hillary Clinton's NAFTA U-turn says something about her — and us *** By David Sirota
Clinton's attempt to hide this history emulates a principle pioneered by George W. Bush in this, the age of stenographic journalism. As he made his unsubstantiated case for war, Bush proved that the media are willing to present politicians' lies as fact. Clinton simply figures that if she says she has "long been a critic" of NAFTA, then the assertion will be transcribed as truth.
That said, her U-turn is about more than dishonesty — it is about the public will.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2004198705_sirota25.html


Hillary Clinton's Rust Belt Rhetoric ...can't replace all the jobs NAFTA sucked out of PA
A Clinton victory in Pennsylvania—and maybe in the whole primary race—hinges on the same voters her husband's free trade policies betrayed.
http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/columns/2008/03/hillary-clinton-rust-belt-rhetoric.html


Hillary Clinton's Campaign IEDs (Insinuations, Exaggerations and Distortions)
What are you going to do if Hillary Clinton succeeds bagging the Democratic Party nomination for President by playing dirty?
I've begun thinking about that more and more over the last couple of weeks. The Clintons have built their entire political lives on the premise that, if they can't win pretty, they'll settle for winning ugly.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_stephen__080317_hillary_clinton_s_ca.htm

Hillary Clinton: No regret on Iraq vote
'How could they have been so poorly prepared for the aftermath?'
Wednesday, April 21, 2004
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton said she is not sorry she voted for a resolution authorizing President Bush to take military action in Iraq despite the recent problems there...
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/21/iraq.hillary/


Obama gets boost in White House bid (from Pelosi)
Ms Pelosi has effectively boosted Mr Obama by saying it would be wrong for the superdelegates to buck the will of national convention delegates picked in primaries and caucuses. Mr Obama currently has more delegates than Mrs Clinton and has won more states than his rival. It would take landslide victories in the remaining primaries for Mrs Clinton to take frontrunner status before the superdelegates have their say.
http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5hM8FE_1rV7uebgViGQ-Q-appDCqg
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:47 PM
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1. 100K GOPers voted for Obama in OH & 135K GOPers voted for him in TX
And Bill was on with Mark Davis and not Rush.
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tyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:49 PM
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3. Do you really
not see the difference in voting for Obama to become president and voting for Hillary because she'd be the easiest to beat?
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:52 PM
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10. Are you really so delusional as to think Obama GOP voters do so with pure hearts?
If GOP voters really loved Obama so much and hated McCain so much he would be destroying him in head to head polling, that is not the case.

Poll	       Date	       Sample	McCain (R) Obama (D) Und	Spread
RCP Average 03/05 - 03/16 - 45.8 44.8 6.7 McCain +1.0
Rasmussen 03/13 - 03/16 1700 LV 48 42 10 McCain +6.0
Gallup Tracking 03/12 - 03/16 4390 RV 46 44 5 McCain +2.0
NBC/WSJ 03/07 - 03/10 1,012 RV 44 47 5 Obama +3.0
Newsweek 03/05 - 03/06 1,215 RV 45 46 -- Obama +1.0

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:10 PM
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31. Are you really so delusional as to try to whitewash Bill's shilling for Hill on Rush?
It's not been a very well-kept secret that Hillary's the RW Dem-of-choice to run against in 08 .. please.

as for the polls, as you know, different polls show different results .. these show Obama running stronger
against McCain than Hillary.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/time_poll_obama_the_stronger_d.php
http://www.newser.com/story/18510.html
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joeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:51 PM
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66. Here's how I know. I have personally gotten over 20 republicans
to admit they were voting for Obama because they liked him and hate McCain. I have only met one republican admit she was voting for HRC because she liked her. The problem is she was so dumb she actually believed the Muslim, pledge, etc BS circulated on the internet. I'm sorry but the crossovers for HRC are by design and God forbid she wins the primary, you will see how bad you have punked.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:17 PM
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39. Amazing!
Seriously, you guys are simply amazing.

When Republicans vote for Obama (which they do, in large numbers, many more than vote for Hillary), it's because they suddenly had an epiphany brought on by Obama's mad speechifying skillz and now want to support Democratic ideas... but when Republicans vote for Hillary, it's just to screw with our process.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:50 PM
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5. Er...wrong candidate cited there, pardner
For a party that loves to hate the Clintons, Republican voters have cast an awful lot of ballots lately for Senator Hillary Clinton: About 100,000 GOP loyalists voted for her in Ohio, 119,000 in Texas, and about 38,000 in Mississippi, exit polls show.


http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/03/17/many_voting_for_clinton_to_boost_gop/
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:54 PM
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14. Exit polls show Obama beating Hillary 53 to 46 in GOP votes in TX and tying her in OH.
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TheDoorbellRang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:39 PM
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45. Ah. There's the befuddlement. You're correct
But it would be a little more honest if both sides displayed these statistics side by side, wouldn't it? The site I saw only mentioned Clinton's G.O.P. support, whereas here you only cited Obama's G.O.P. support. So how's this? G.O.P. votes for both candidates: in Ohio, 100K for Obama, 100K for Clinton; in TX, 119K for Clinton, 135K for Obama.

Looks like Republicans were conflicted in both those states as to what strategery to pursue, eh? :-)
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:51 PM
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6. Mark was filling in for Rush on Rush's show when Bill's appeal for GOP voter was aired
And Obama hasn't used such tactics as going on RW radio with a cynical appeal for cross-overs
with NO intention whatsoever of voting for him in the GE.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:56 PM
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17. Naaah Obama just engaged in cyncial appeals for crossovers in other mediums
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:00 PM
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23. Yes, it was aired
but not recorded for Rush's show. Bill appeared on Mark Davis' show that morning, by phone. Then later that day, Davis replayed the interview on Rush's show.

If Rush Limbaugh plays part of an Obama speech, would it be right to say Obama appeared on Rush's show?
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:09 PM
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30. Maybe this will help you get the picture


It is a stunning image to see an ad for 'CLUB GITMO' under rush's version of the Hillary logo.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:14 PM
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33. I had hoped I would never see that page.
Your post is demeaning to cockroaches.

Cordially,

Radio Lady
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:35 PM
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44. Please explain how my post was demeaning
The poster that I was responding was distancing the interview with Clinton that ran on the show from rush. The poster went through knots of mental gymnastics to attempt to do so. The image--as ugly as it is--takes away all of the haze of the "Rush didn't do the show that day" and other nonsense. The image shows, among other things, that they advertised the interview for that day's show.

Don't shoot the messenger.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:41 PM
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46. Didn't you get the memo? Hard facts and evidence are "demeaning" and "sexist" when they disprove
whatever notion the HRC boosters are trying to peddle on any given day. Get with the program!

:sarcasm:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 09:55 PM
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76. Well, that's pretty hard to deny.
Bill Clinton appeared on the Rush Limbaugh Show to campaign for Hillary.

Thats a FACT, Jack!



Here's Hillary with another member of the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy.

If you can't beat them...Join them!!!
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 11:48 PM
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77. Makes me wonder just how far back they decided to 'join them'
When Bill founded the dlc, was it his intention then, for lack of a better word, innocently looking to build a powerful coalition that could defeat repubs, or was it to create the republican wing of the Democratic Party? Ultimately I guess it doesn't matter, because the dlc, whether planned from the beginning or not, is the republican wing of the Democratic Party, and is working to undermine the authority of the DNC--or any one else that would dare come between them and their goals.


OT, as much as I applauded--and howled in laughter with--your classic 'You're Dead To Me' thread, your (also classic) veggie garden porn thread is also one of my all time favorites. I'm jealous beyond words at the life that you and your partner have carved out for yourselves. We have been working towards a very similar life. :hi:

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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:53 PM
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49. HAha "a cynical appeal for cross-overs" What do you call
"You can be a Democrat for a Day"


http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/1/14/145143/927


Forget others being embarrassed. YOU should be humiliated for YOUR foolishness:dunce:
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:06 PM
Response to Reply #49
92. The "Comments" posts below are revealing: This was NOT an Obama-approved message
It was some over-zealous precinct captain "with a printer and too much time on his hands" .. who soon realized
(after distributing 100 of the fliers) that "this is not Obama's message" and halted his distribution.

it's always nice to ferret out the details in these kind of "he said, she said" innuendos, as with the Bill on Rush
flap, which I admit .. i didn't know Bill didn't exactly "appear" on Rush's show, but his comments were replayed from
an earlier broadcast. Still deplorable (if you've seen Rush's website, how can you disagree?) but not as bad as it
sounded in the sound bite.

********************************************************
ABC News talked to the precinct captain (5.00 / 2) (#75)
by RalphB on Mon Jan 14, 2008 at 04:17:34 PM EST
Buchanan told ABC News that after leaving about 100 of the fliers in mail slots and doors yesterday he realized the message he was sending was "negative."

"This is not Obama," he says he thought to himself.

So today he changed the second side of the flier to make it instead positive things about Obama, he says, instead of negative about Clinton. "It says, 'Obama spoke against the war when it wasn't popular,' rather than focus on Hillary."

He distributed more than 100 of the new flier today, he says, still targeting independents and Republicans. "Here in Nevada, we've never had a caucus before. So a lot of independents and Republicans didn't know that they could vote."

Buchanan says the Obama campaign didn't know about his flier. "I've been trying to reach them today, but Obama's in Reno today so it's been tough to reach them," he says.

Neither the Obama nor Clinton campaigns commented to ABC News.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:49 PM
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2. Yeah they'd probably be much better off as members of a cult
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:51 PM
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8. .. or deferring to the clear will of a clear majority of real Democrats.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:55 PM
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16. I've Been voting straight (D) since 1978
I guess I'm not a real democrat. Thanks TEAMMATE. Love the way you cultists strive for unity. Many of you Obama cultists are fucking lunatics.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:49 PM
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65. I have not attacked anyone personally, like you have here, with your blatant name-calling.
I didn't say you weren't a real Democrat, only that I hope your candidate respects the will of the state delegates,
caucuses and whoever has highest popular vote (despite Rush/Clinton-inspired GOP cross-overs).

to which you get all defensive and call me names, "lunatic" "cultists" .. ya ... where was that
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:21 AM
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89. I'm sure my candidate General Clark will respect
the letter of the law. He always has. I do not believe calling a lunatic a lunatic is name calling. And I'd rather be called a lunatic then a rush-bosshog crossover.

Please share with me "unity" per an Obama supporter. Seemingly the only way there can be unity is if all of us join the cult.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #89
91. Too funny: we both use same "We the people" avatar
That's where our real unity resides, both on DU and as fellow citizens.

The more we all remember this, the better our collective future will become.

peace out.
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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #91
93. And Peace to you My Friend
Damn I do love our Constitution.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:12 PM
Response to Reply #8
32. It's a democracy and I will vote for whomever I chose. A fraction of the popular votes separates
these candidates.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:49 PM
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4. Just the facts.
Nothing wrong with laying it out there.

Thanks for compiling the post.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:51 PM
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7. Save your sympathy. Your lack of sincerity undermines your words.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:53 PM
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12. Sorry, you are not in a position to know my true feelings better than I do.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:57 PM
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18. Some things are obvious.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #18
24. ..only to those wedded to their preconceptions and assumptions.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #24
59. no...some things are obvious. pretty sure. yep, some things are obvious.
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:52 PM
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9. Hey, why don't your sources include Newsmax?
Oh yeah, you use known progressive sources. Thanks
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:53 PM
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11. Great Post. K&R
she needs more transparency
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:53 PM
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13. I feel bad for her many cool supporters here. Fuck the rest.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #13
20. My sincerity is being questioned here, but damn, I really meant it
especially as you say, for the cool people who are still hanging onto Hillary at this point.

I know there must be lots of soul searching in the Hillary camp about now, and that actually
is incouraging. I hope I'm right.
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 11:57 PM
Response to Reply #13
79. Cool or not, all of her supporters will leave. . .
thanks to your arrogance. All you have to say is "F" us! Sheesh! This really shows
what you think of us. Thanks for letting us know!

:grr:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #79
90. If you're one of the cool ones why get upset?
About 3/4 of each camp is filled with idiots, and I'd say fuck them to that chunk of Obama supporters as well. It's that 3/4 of Hillary supporters left here that that was directed to. If you're in that cool 1/4 then lighten up. :shrug:
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:54 PM
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15. hillary has been on record since before it was passed that NAFTA wasnt a good idea...
Pelosi didnt say crap. Obama exaggerates just as much.

This is old crap.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:57 PM
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19. Hey, you better clean your own house first. Rev. Wright's
Anti-American rants were just on CNN again, and this time Donna B. didn't do very good with her defense. It's really pitiful that BO has to go through this, but when you lay down with dogs you get up with fleas.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Personally, I have the highest regard for Lefty Black Preachers
see the civil rights movement.

This is a "problem" Hillary could only wish to have, esp. compared to her campaigns other very real problems.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:05 PM
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27. I disagree with you, I think BO is in a free fall over attending
this church, and being groomed for 20 by this Rev. who ask God to Damn America. I don't think there is anything he can say or do to get out of this latest racial move.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:17 PM
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37. If Obama "goes down" over this, that would only prove the good Rev. Wright to be right.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 09:49 PM
Response to Reply #27
75. Lucky for us, the FOUNDERS decided......
...that it shouldn't matter which church an American decides to attend.

Why do you want so badly to join the church with the state?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:03 PM
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25. So, are you calling black voters anti-American?
And what about all the white people in that congregation?

Anti racist rants aren't anti-American unless you believe all Americans are racist, right?

You could use some flea dip, Mags, for forwarding this garbage.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:08 PM
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29. I didn't see any white people back slapping the Rev,when he
was trashing America , white people and Hillary. The man ask God to Damn America, I think that is anti-America.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:28 PM
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42. He did none of those things but I'm sure your email instructions say he did.
Read what this white pastor says about Trinity and Rev. Wright.

Written by J. Bennett Guess
March 14, 2008

In the wake of misleading attacks on its mission and ministry, Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ is being lauded by United Church of Christ leaders across the nation for the integrity of its worship, the breadth of its community involvement and the depth of its commitment to social justice.

"Trinity United Church of Christ is a great gift to our wider church family and to its own community in Chicago," says UCC General Minister and President John H. Thomas. "At a time when it is being subjected to caricature and attack in the media, it is critical that all of us express our gratitude and support to this remarkable congregation, to Jeremiah A. Wright for his leadership over 36 years, and to Pastor Otis Moss III, as he assumes leadership at Trinity."

Thomas says he has been saddened by news reports that "present such a caricature of a congregation that been such a great blessing."

snip

"When you're Euro-American, the people are so exceedingly gracious, warm and welcoming. They hug you and say, 'Welcome to our church!'"


http://www.ucc.org/news/chicagos-trinity-ucc-is.html
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:47 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. Your telling me that he didn't ask God to Damn America?
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #47
51. you afraid of judgement?
Is that it?

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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:32 PM
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54. Nope, But I would never even think to ask God to Damn our Nation
I don't think that 75% of the courntry would. I love my Country and I ask God to Bless all Americans.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #54
57. Go use The Goggle to find Shame on America
and get back to me.

Nationalism only goes so far when your country is staggering under the weight of massive corruption, not to mention imperialistic predations on other peoples.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #47
56. No, I'm not telling you that he wasn't as hard on this country
as GD is every day.

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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:15 PM
Response to Reply #19
50. The Reverend isn't anti-America. He's anti-YOU.
And so am I.

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:20 PM
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52. As am I
I'm always Anti-Ignored.
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Mags Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 06:02 PM
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55. that fine with me, your hate is from the top down looks like.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 03:59 PM
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21. Great post!
K & R :thumbsup:
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:04 PM
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26. This Obama supporter asks: Is this really necessary?
(btw: I can not get the second link to function...maybe problem on my end)
Although I find many of the reasons for my backing Senator Obama contained within this post, (the reasons I support Senator Obama over Senator Clinton to be more precise), I question the need to post this when hour after hour we find 'hit-pieces' aimed against both Senators posted in the DU. Frankly I am tired of them and if I over-react here my apologies to the OP. I know that I am not the only DUer who feels this way, perhaps if enough of us speak our minds to the phenomenon....
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:14 PM
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34. Not sure any apology is needed
but if so, it's certainly accepted.

I REALLY wasn't being snide .. as I have a personal practice of putting myself in my seeming "adversary's" shoes,
and really looking at the world from there.. and this post genuinely came from that perspective, which is from
a place of wanting reconciliation and resolution, not any further bitterness or vitriol.

I really don't think these are hit pieces either, but that's a judgment call people will have to make.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:28 PM
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41. You are correct, I sensed no snideness from your post.
Furthermore I feel a profound sadness for a great many of my DUers who, as it happens supports someone I perceive to be the lesser of the two candidates. A great many of them I have the highest regards for. So in all fairness I get this from your post as well and perhaps I am being a bit unfair to you.

Perhaps I have a bit of shell-shock. There truly have been far FAR too many hit pieces posted here, many of which could have been written by freepers who found our spell check feature useful. Your response to me was gracious. This is another of DU's strengths. It is not a strength prevalent as of late....I applaud you for keeping the tradition alive.
:toast:
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NickMorgan Donating Member (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:37 PM
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60. I take you at your word, but
I think if I were a good faith Clinton supporter, I might have found this post condescending in tone. Still a good post, though.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 09:15 PM
Response to Reply #60
72. I can hear that
about it being open to a perception of seeming condescending... Like many of us, I'm still honing my
communication skills to factor out such distractions, so thanks for the feedback.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:16 PM
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36. The phenomenon continues. We are choking ourselves day after day.
I really wish it were not so, but I've had to "check out" mentally on this site.

Thank you for your post. It is quite thoughtful and I do hope it helps stop the bleeding.

Cordially,

Radio Lady
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:50 PM
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48. It won't but if we all join in and speak our minds....
btw. The OP and I have chatted a bit and I feel my response germain. In all fairness I feel much the same way as the OP, I too am saddened to see so many of my fellow DUers, especially those who I have learned so much from over the years, supporting what I feel to be the lesser of the two remaining candidates. In my own way I consider these fellow DUers to be far superior to me in their...well 'intellect' for want of a better description.

I'll throw out an obvious example: OPERATIONMINDCRIME. He is but one of many here I have learned from, who in many ways I admire and yet he supports Senator Clinton! Would I want to ever get into it with him? Not just no but HELL NO! I'll just reserve my right to disagree with him on occasion and this is such an occasion. I feel a sadness that he disagrees with me because of WHO he is and the respect I have for his...well... intelect. There are many here I feel the same way for. These folks have earned my admiration and respect, the fact that they back Senator Clinton changes nothing.

The Hit Pieces on the other hand are beyond the pale. They are designed to anger folks...many are obvious flame-bait. Sometimes there can be a fine-line between a hit-piece post and a post reflecting someone's thoughts as to why they support their chosen candidate over their opponents candidate. I think the OP of this thread may have been near that line and I misjudged the position.

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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:06 PM
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28. K/R.
:kick:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:15 PM
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35. without a question the best monkey at du lol
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:17 PM
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38. GOBAMA !!!
:yourock:
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:26 PM
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40. LOL! "I don't think I'm being snide..."
This one is a classic. I mean, it goes in my folder of OTT bizarro posts from the last two months at DU!

And you took all that time to cut and past and link, too! :rofl:

The usual name-calling hater posts have gotten old and stale, but you've created a new art form with this one!

Kudos!
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 04:31 PM
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43. If Pelosi has "effectively boosted Mr. Obama" then it is the
first time in a very long time that she has been effective in anything.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 09:18 PM
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74. I'll give you that one, sadly.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 05:20 PM
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53. Feel our pain?? Cut the crap!!!!
There are millions of Hillary supporters and we are proud of her. I would feel more embarrassed to be an Obama supporter. He talks pretty, but that's about it. He should have been fully vetted, but now we are starting to see the real man and it ain't pretty.........
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:44 PM
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64. About those tax returns & earmark records.....
GOBAMA! :dem:

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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:53 PM
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67. Barak is being "fully vetted" by the primaries, in case you didn't notice
and has stood up pretty well as all the petty "issues" being blown into "problems" by Hillary et. al.
turn out to amount to nothing but spin, hot air and smoke.
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 11:59 PM
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80. That is, until the Repukes get a hold of him!
We'll see how he hold's up then. . .
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:27 AM
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84. We saw how Repukes can eat the Clintons alive, and it wasn't pretty.
Personally, I'd rather not replay that piece of history, although I do give Clinton his due
for at least balancing the freaking budget; but on balance, I'd rather sit out a painful and
tedious replay of that chapter in US History, and help write a new one.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:05 PM
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58. K&R
:kick:
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:38 PM
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61. Oh look! Another concern troll
They seem to be multiplying like cockroaches.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:40 PM
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62. Go Cheney yourself
self-righteous crap.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:55 PM
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68. touchy touchy. I guess I would be too. thankx for proving my point.
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RememberWellstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:42 PM
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63. I feel sorry for you.
Openly supporting a liar instead of an agent for change.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:58 PM
Response to Reply #63
69. Huh? ^^ mystery post of the day^^
Last I heard I'm supporting Obama, who's drawing new people esp. the young into the Democratic fold,
who voted against the war and who has never supported NAFTA, etc. etc. = the only agent of change
remaining on the Dem Primary ballot.

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Noisysilence Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 09:01 PM
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70. Breaking! bombshell! NY Gov who replaced Spitzer admits he cheated on wife
And apparently she cheated on him too.

From the New York Daily News.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2008/03/17/2008-03-17_gov_paterson_admits_to_sex_with_other_wo.html
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Noisysilence Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 09:03 PM
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71. Breaking bombshell. NY Gov (Spitzer replacement) admits to affair
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 09:18 PM
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73. What Would Lieberman Do?
The following graphic was posted over at www.dailykos.com


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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:48 AM
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85. What is it with Photobucket anyway? I see your image was "moved or deleted".
whenever I try to post from my photos there it sez "illegal code embedded here" or some such nonsense.

the only stuff I use is publik domain .. at least I think it is ... yet no one ever has ever really
explained or revealed exactly what the "problem" is, if indeed there even is a problem.

Who has time to "educate themselves" on all this minutia.
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MaraJade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 11:56 PM
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78. Once again. . .Obama supporters are DREAMING
If they imagine that Hillary's disappearance will cause her supporters to flock to Obama. It WON'T!!!
They'll go elsewhere or they won't vote at all and Obama will LOSE! HE WILL LOSE! Threads like this are counterproductive to OBAMA! They DON'T HELP HIM!

Sheesh! OBAMAITES DON'T GET IT! Their hubris won't let them get it. They somehow keep imagining that Hillary supporters will flock to their side. NO THEY WON'T. What are you Obamaites going to do? You can't force Hillary's supporters to go with Obama. Many that I know have pledged to actively work against him. You don't win over Hillary supporters by posting this sort of stuff!


:grr:
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:48 AM
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82. What exactly WILL "win over" Hillary supporters. Many inquiring minds would love to know.
Especially the majority of Dems who support Obama. You could at least give DU the "exclusive".





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jconner27 Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:16 AM
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81. Obama follower debunking
1. Obama has carried more GOP states than Hillary, you only have two examples.. Plus I have confirmed proof the Republicans are working to help Obama.

2. Hell according to Obama supporters opinions are facts.

3. Obama has not once voted to vote against the Iraq funding. Nor has he protest it.

4.Pink tutu Democrats don't mean shit
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:51 AM
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83. If you have "confirmed proof" GOP's helping Obama, I'd call a press conference.
but you don't even hint at what your "confirmed proof" is, much less provide a link.

I provided multiple links related to my OP.

no cigar.
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better tomorrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:51 AM
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86. they are helping Obama by running McCain.....
:rofl:
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Utopian Leftist Donating Member (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:02 AM
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87. I don't feel their pain.
I'm not being snide or mean-spirited either.

I just think they're getting exactly what they deserve for supporting a thug.
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 10:11 AM
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88. My mom voted early in the Ohio primaries for Clinton,
"because she is a woman."

Then Hillary made her "lifetime of experience" and "commander in chief threshold" gaffes. Now my mother supports Obama and regrets her votes for Hillary.
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