NYT responds: Dear Reader,

[Abacus]

Thank you for writing. Mr. Kristol has affixed to the top of his column a
correction on this issue. You are correct, he was wrong.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/opinion/17kristol.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin

Sincerely,
Michael McElroy
Office of the Public Editor
The New York Times

Note: The public editor's opinions are his own and do not represent those
of The New York Times.

The original newsmax story was published on August 9, 2007 (http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2007/8/8/194812.shtml), 2.5 weeks after the sermon; if Jim Davis is to be believed, getting the date wrong +/- 7 days within a 2-3 week window seems rather..sloppy. One way to settle this would be to find the date of the sermon given; if that is the sermon that was given on the 22nd, that makes Davis a liar. Regardless, I don't think it is much of an issue even if he was there. Obama said that he had not heard the selected controversial statements, but he did acknowledge that there was controversial discussion about social issues. I've yet to meet a pastor that hasn't said something I found to be controversial and I don't think it is fair to equate Wright's comments with Obama's opinion.

[Abacus]

1. Obama in Greenville, SC, July 15, 2007

So that rules out the prior week's service.

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/obama-in-greenville-sc-july-15-2007-photo-timeline/3386519654

[Abacus]

2. Obama in Iowa July 28 & 30th

Think he flew home just to attend church on the 29th?

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/tracker/candidates/barack-obama/states/ia/

[Abacus]

3. Conclusion: Jim Davis is Full of

Stuff. Obama would not have been able to attend any of the three weekend services within a +/-7 day timeframe.

[marshall]

8. To the Jim Davises of the world, don't all the Obamas of the world look alike?

At least that's what they say. How does he know who he was or when he saw it.

[BumRushDaShow]

4. Kick & Rec for the truth!

Here is an example of the Clinton smear campaign and the wolves being exposed while in the midst of their out-of-control rabid fury. For the Clinton campaign to parrot known RW neocons such as Kristol, should be a red flag to her supporters.

I am actually surprised that considering that the NYT was one of the few M$M outlets to endorse Clinton, they admitted to this mistake.

:kick:

[CreekDog]

5. if he got the date wrong, perhaps the "nodding" part too?

:eyes:

[KoKo]

6. Good News....How many articles has NYT's already had to correct for reporting

RW Crazies comments without any proper vetting against Dems. Isn't this the second or third time Kristol has gotten caught out in no checking his facts?

[leftynyc]

10. This wasn't a reporting error

This was an error on an opinion piece.

[KoKo]

14. doesn't matter....Kristol had a lie in his "opinion piece."

and it was taken from one RW source.

[leftynyc]

17. Maybe you don't think there's a difference

but plenty of people do. Opinion pieces are just that - opinions. Stories in the pages of the papers are supposed to be factual and sourced. This is strictly billy kristols problem. Not that of the Times.

[KoKo]

18. are you deaf............I was saying Kristol didn't check his source.

Sheesh...Are you one of those who only sees one side of an issue?

[grantcart]

7. I have met many pastors who haven't said something controversial

Its kind of like meeting a doctor that smokes.

[Abacus]

9. Hmm?

Your statements seem contradictory. It's like meeting a doctor that smokes to meet a pastor who has said something controversial?

[grantcart]

11. no pls re read

meeting a pastor that has not repeat has not said something controversial is like meeting a doctor who smokes---

you have to question the professional competency of both.

Agreeing with your basic point that pastors speaking from the pulpit are charged to make us think about our assumptions, or as the old addage that a pastor should, "comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable".

[Abacus]

13. Gotchya

Thanks for clarifying! I agree with your assessment. I've found many things to like and dislike politicians for, but their pastor was never one of those -- in that respect, I find the influence of pastorgate somewhat mind boggling.

[grantcart]

15. and I hardly bothered even reading the threads - have a group of neighbors

who all know I am a big Obama guy and I bring them up to date when we walk their dogs - nobody else seems really committed and they kind of like being updated on it - they are all older. Last night the 4 of us were talking about the pastor thing and they all said that Obama did really well answering the questions and they all wanted to talk about how they disagreed with their pastor or priest at some point. I just kept quiet and listened. Everybody likes their pastors but has certain things they don't listen to --- again like the doctor who tells us to change our eating habits and exercise more - this is the kind of thing that drives pundits ballistic and ordinary people bored.

[xxqqqzme]

16. It is something the whorporate media

can salivate over & whip the rabid right into a froth. (I find it curios that we are still repeatedly reminded that Obama is NOT a Muslim - since he isn't, why keep repeating he is not? Why hasn't that been let go?) It reminds me of the 'shocking' dr*dge story, early in the '04 campaign, that Kerry had an affair w/ a staffer. The whorporate media was all over that until some sane voice rose above all the shouting proving it all a fabrication.

[Scurrilous]

12. K & R

:thumbsup:

[Faygo Kid]

19. The Times ought to just have a permanent line above every column about Kristol's "errors."

His hiring by the Times was an indefensible step to take, and they ought to rectify it now by throwing him out on his neocon chickenhawk arse.

I'm waiting for CNN to dump that asshole Glenn Beck, too. Bound to happen one of these days when the jerk oversteps.

Let 'em all go to Faux News (like Kristol) and talk to each other, not us.

[NorthernSpy]

20. Kristol's column is syndicated, isn't it?

How this is going to be handled? Is it going to run with a disclaimer?

[Abacus]

21. No idea

:shrug: I hope so, but I doubt it.