Angry FL Dems asking DNC for their donations back..

[Tellurian]

If this mess they created doesn't get resolved where their votes are counted!

"The committee penalized Michigan and Florida for holding their primaries early in violation of national party rules, barring their delegates from being seated at the Democratic convention this summer. But with the Democratic contest now a scramble for every remaining delegate, the allocation of delegates from the two states could have a substantial impact on the nomination.

Mrs. Clinton won the primaries in both states, but the contests were not sanctioned by the party, neither candidate campaigned in the states and Mr. Obama did not even put his name on the ballot in Michigan.

Pushing to seat the Florida delegates, at least one top Clinton fund-raiser, Paul Cejas, a Miami businessman who has given the Democratic National Committee $63,500 since 2003, has demanded Democratic officials return his 2007 contribution of $28,500, which they have agreed to do.

“If you’re not going to count my vote, I’m not going to give you my money,” said Mr. Cejas, who was the United States ambassador to Belgium from 1998 to 2001.

Christopher Korge, a Florida real estate developer who is another top fund-raiser for Mrs. Clinton, held an event last year in his home that brought in about $140,000 for the national party, which was set aside in a special account for the general election battle in Florida. But he told committee officials this week that if Florida’s delegate conundrum was not settled satisfactorily he would be asking for the money back.

“If we do not resolve this issue,” Mr. Korge said, “I think it’s safe to say there will be a request for a return of $140,000.”

The anger from Clinton fund-raisers seems to emanate mostly from Florida, where the impasse appears farthest from resolution. Democratic Party officials in Michigan on Friday proposed a new primary election on June 3 to make up for the January election.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/15/us/politics/15donate.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

[cali]

1. give the little clinton babies their big bucks back

and then they can go fuck themselves.

[VeraAgnes]

16. I believe this will

soon become a pattern across the nation. Such refunds could rise to 100 million dollars. This will disable the General Election for the Democrats regardless which candidate. I'm assuming you back Obama, so realize the impact this will have on your hopes and dreams.

We all are suffering.

[Tellurian]

20. Wow.. I didn't even consider this thing could just snowball..

Thanks for the insightful comment!

[ThatBozGuy]

31. Its not florida Dems, Its Ms Clinton backers, from the article......

"influential fund-raisers for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton have stepped up their behind-the-scenes pressure"

Proving again that Ms Clintons are pro Ms Clinton NOT pro democrat.
Pro democrat support would be pro democrat no matter the candidate.

This demonstrates very well Ms Clinton's circle and the mentality that she has directly asserted in her "only big states matter' statements.

If you have no use to her or her backers she and her backers have no use for you and you receive nothing.

[VeraAgnes]

35. I think you maybe

rowing down the river of "Denial"....
----
you know,the Nile....Denial...haha.

Essential and speaking from the heart; this is devestating to all of us. I'm worried!

[Tellurian]

36. Like I said, this thing could snowball if it isn't resolved quickly..

[cali]

28. that's delusional. Try reading the article.

There is absolutely no sign that this is anything but a cesspool FL/Clinton supporter thing. And you pulled that hundred million number right out of your butt. Way more than Obama, I back Dean, and I think that he'll solve the FL and MI primary problems. It's not nearly as dire as you make out, Sara Heartburn. At least not yet.

[ThatBozGuy]

32. The DNC hasn't recieved 100 million, let alone from turncoats who couldnt buy the election they want

There isnt even 100 million in play, nice exaggeration.

They will not disable the general election, they will be offset by new donors to the DNC that will replace these pouty bullies.

[K Gardner]

37. Cali, lol.. opened that up and choked on my supper :-)

[Orsino]

38. How about the Obama babies?

Didn't the DNC screw them over as well?

Who the hell should receive the complaints but the organization that created the mess?

[MichiganVote]

2. Ohhh boy...sigh

[Tellurian]

3. The DNC better step up and do something to get this issue resolved as quickly as possible..

Decisiveness is a key element resolving sore spots when people are unhappy with the leadership.

[Hawkeye-X]

7. DNC has one simple solution..

Point at the Florida Democratic Party for their money back. National DNC had nothing to do with it, and you keep ignoring that fact, and whoever wrote the NYT article is badly misinformed. I intend to point that author to madfloridan's journals.

Hawkeye-X

[Tellurian]

21. It's easy to disseminate.. If their donations went to the DNC

they have every right to ask for their donations back..Likewise, if they went to the FL DP...

[greguganus]

19. ...

...

[KingFlorez]

4. I can't say I blame them

To strip the state of all it's delegates was ridiculous, especially when it was the GOP legislature who moved up the primary. It's anything but democratic to take away an entire state's say in an election.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

18. they must be mad - they thought they had paid for "results"

and they aren't getting what they wanted.

[BearSquirrel2]

27. To follow the rules ...

To follow the rules is what they were legally obligated to do. Had they allowed the primary and Barack won, Hillary would now be suing the DNC to disqualify the delegates. Same thing goes for Michigan.

[Hawkeye-X]

5. These Clinton donors should be angry at their own stupid legislators

and demanding their money back from them - not the DNC.

Tellurian, you're still a moron, and your website is still infected...

GO back there.

Hawkeye-X

[Thurston Howell III]

6. They don't need those donations! If they really had their act together they

could raise funds online!! But of course they're tring to make Howard Dean look bad. Jackasses!

[Inuca]

8. A more appropriate title

might be this quote from the NYT article you link to "influential fund-raisers for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton have stepped up their behind-the-scenes pressure on national party leaders"

[PassingFair]

9. Because Florida has been so GOOD for democrats.....

I say cut them loose, same with Michigan, if
we don't get our act together.

We tried to front-load the primaries for Clinton,
and we FAILED.

Tough luck.

[annie1]

10. sounds fair to me.

[Breeze54]

11. Why attack the DNC? They should go after their state legislatures and

their state Democratic party officials!

weird.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

12. Am I wrong, didn't they bring this on themselves?

[TomClash]

13. Why weren't these donors raising this issue six months ago?

The penalties went into effect on September 29, 2007. I wonder why they are objecting now? :sarcasm:

[youknowmenotdlc]

14. Man oh Man those deep pocketed Hillary supporters

definitely want something for their payments.

[Yael]

15. They act surprised

Oddly, the rest of the country isn't. They called Dean on his rules and Dean stood, and now they are crying in their milk?

I have no sympathy.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

17. Clinton supporters day of $$ clout is over, Obama rings in the era of citizen donors

these people are making their last gasp for influence.

Its over.

Your money made as venture capitalists is not going to buy you an election.

[Tellurian]

22. I doubt it..

[Thurston Howell III]

24. Good! Then the next time Hillary runs in 2012 we can work to boot her out during

the primaries. Whether it works or not is not the point. The fact is we could damage her.

[jillan]

30. Whats the matter? Are you saying Obama won't be re-elected to second term?

[Thurston Howell III]

34. No! For her Senatorial Campaign!

She's finished as far as ever running for president again.

[QC]

23. They're not obligated to contribute to the party. n/t

[justinsb]

25. Unfortunately for them - The DNC can easily just say No

There is no 'automatic money back guarantee' when you donate to any organization. This is just a publicity grab by some spoiled children who support Hillary. The reality is if Floridians want their votes to count they need to hurry the hell up and have a primary - the fact that they spent a small fortune on a practice primary that they knew wouldn't count is no ones fault but their own.

[BearSquirrel2]

26. Translation ...

Translation ...

I already gave the maximum to Clinton. Then I finished the payoff by donating more to the DNC. Now that it's clear she will not win the nomination, I will use Florida's early primary issue (which I previously knew about) as a pretext to cut my losses betting on Clinton.

[Thurston Howell III]

29. Nail meet hammer.

[HockeyMom]

33. I never expected my vote to count in Florida

when I moved here. So, I am not surprised at this fiasco.

Throw out all the Florida votes. Otherwise, they will never learn.