4000 dead american soldiers vs 1 crazy reverend

[WonderGrunion]

Only one of these scandals has actual legs and it will NEVER go away.

Hillary voted for the war.

[lligrd]

1. Rec Although I Don't Think Wright Is Crazy At All. nt

[WonderGrunion]

6. That's fair

And the greater atrocity is the number of dead Iraqi civilians, but I needed it summed up in the space of a title.

[metalluk]

2. Actually,

53% of Americans now believe that we will achieve our goals in Iraq, up from just 43% last summer. The war issue will not carry Obama in the General Election and may even lose some of its punch in the primary season, unless it heats up again to last summer's level of violence.

[JVS]

4. What goals?

[texas_indy]

8. Excellent question......what specific goals were mentioned? (NT)

[Major Hogwash]

7. Geezus Christ! Is the cat door broke in this joint?

Look at what the cat just drug in!!

53% of Americans blah, blah, blah, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit, blah, blah, blah.

I swear to gawd if this keeps up, I'm going to start swearing more often in my posts!

[PseudoIntellect]

3. But...but...all Barack ever did was make a speech once in 2002!

[SunsetDreams]

5. Here's my answer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgQ4qdKCNqY

[Skip Intro]

9. Obama voted to sustain it.

[SunsetDreams]

10. You're right....

The troops needed money

What else was he supposed to do? Say sorry you're on your own?


:crazy:

[Skip Intro]

13. The troops needed money.

That was bush's argument too, when most here were opposed to continued funding.

btw, Obama, who had the luxury of not having to vote, and one can suspect may have voted only "present," explained on MTP last Nov that he lessened his outspoken opposition to the war because our nominee, who Obama has embraced, and vice versa, voted the same way Hillary did. In other words, he said things like he didn't know how he would have voted and that there was room for disagreement on the vote. He said that in 2004, but explained in 2007 it was only for political expediency.

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

[bhikkhu]

11. One Reverend clearly against the war!

Exactly what kind of twisted point are you trying to make?

[WonderGrunion]

12. My point

Is that Hillary's support of Bush's war is more than a scandal, it's a disgrace.

Obama's support of his reverend, a manufactured issue by the Hillbots.

Just trying to place things in perspective.

[emilyg]

14. You didn't.

[bhikkhu]

15. Sorry I didn't get it..its late.

To make a tired point, as Democrats we might try to make a minimally civil attempt to refrain from name calling against other Democrats...nix the "Hillbot", that is.

Otherwise, your perspective is my perspective. A minister who says foolish or embarrassing things is every minister on the planet, and his parishioners are the majority of humanity, such as it is. Generally there is no harm done.

War is another issue, but I am unhappy with far more than Hillary over that. And realistically, unless one is looking for payback, it must end soon for economic reasons whoever the "winner" is. Even McCain can't keep it up, as the grinding expenses frustrate all other wars in planning.

Sorry for my mistake in the first post - I'll check again tomorrow how things are.

[etaviotal]

17. Yeah, having a crazy, racist spiritual advisor is no big deal for a Presidential candidate

Wright's sermons scare me as much as listening to Bush does. The good reverend's speech if full of hate and I cannot so easily dismiss 20-year membership in his church as an unimportant relationship, especially considering all of Obama's invocations of his faith.

This is from the February 2007 Rolling Stone article by Ben Wallace-Wells:

Wright is not an incidental figure in Obama's life, or his politics. The senator "affirmed" his Christian faith in this church; he uses Wright as a "sounding board" to "make sure I'm not losing myself in the hype and hoopla." Both the title of Obama's second book, The Audacity of Hope, and the theme for his keynote address at the Democratic National Convention in 2004 come from Wright's sermons. "If you want to understand where Barack gets his feeling and rhetoric from," says the Rev. Jim Wallis, a leader of the religious left, "just look at Jeremiah Wright."

[BzaDem]

16. You didn't vote against the war. n/t