I find it nauseatingly desperate that Obama is attacked for Farrahkhan's kind words

[CatWoman]

and then for his pastor speaking nothing but the truth.

Yet McCain's Naziesque supporters say what they will about women, blacks, the poor, etc., and all you hear is crickets.

It's not as if Obama tied Farrahkhan and Wright down and MADE them say what they said.

Up is down; down is up.

BTW - I'm still trying to figure out what was so "gawd-awful" about the comments Wright made.

But that's just me.......

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. Hey! How are ya doing?

[Name removed]

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[WillyT]

29. WTF ???

BTW - It was white people that came up with THAT particular scenario!!!

:wtf:

:banghead:

[GreenPartyVoter]

38. I missed it. Who replied to my post? I was just checking in to see how Cw was after

those storms. *confused*

[blm]

32. Your posts are getting weirder and weirder. And increasingly inconsistent for any Democrat.

.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

2. I don't think Natalie Holloway needs to be dismissed as a tramp, but that's just me

[theboss]

3. Black people apparently need to learn how to worship God properly

I think white churches should develop mission programs.

[bluestateguy]

5. Implicit in all of this is that black churches are not "real" Christian

It's there under the surface.

[pdxmom]

13. It's not under the surface. I saw a post on here today that said that

Wright's sermons/actions were not Christian at all. No longer is Obama a Muslim, he's a Christian, but he's not the right kind of Christian. It's disgusting.

[KaptBunnyPants]

34. Funny how Theocrats always use the fact that 70% of America is Christian to justify limiting rights,

But when there is a disagreement between them and other Christians, suddenly their opponents are not Christian anymore. So now black people aren't Christian. Methodists aren't Christian. Non-Southern Baptists aren't Christian. And you damn well know Catholics aren't Christian, except when one of them is standing near you. Unitarians, well, they certainly aren't Christians, but theocrats will take Abe Lincoln all the same. Because, after all, it was his Christian nature which lead him to overturn slavery, just like it leads them to criminalize abortion and invade Iran.

I can't believe this religious faction has achieved such a disproportionate amount of control over the political process. By their own standards they represent merely a small, yet vocal, minority.

[shadowknows69]

37. Exactly

So fucking ugly. I'm embarrassed to be a caucasian these days.

[DJ13]

4. Attached, or attacked?

:shrug:

[CatWoman]

7. sorry

had to type with an arm and lapful of wimpy cats :)

[Rowdyboy]

6. No, my friend, its not just you....

I don't really see that much I disagree with Rev Wright and I sure as hell differ from ANY preacher who endorses McCain.

[eileen_d]

8. Out of context, Wright's words sound pretty "radical"

to mainstream America. In context, I can appreciate what Wright's saying, but given the MSM I don't think the context is ever going to come across to the majority of voters unless they seek it out.

The reason I think this Wright deal could blow over for the primaries is that Obama was a churchgoer. How can a churchgoer predict/control what a pastor says and does? I realize he called this man a mentor as well, but I think that relationship can be downplayed if necessary. It sounds like even Wright expected this would need to happen.

As for Farakkhan (sp?) I think Obama has already distanced himself from his anti-Semitism.

What I'm worried about is if Obama becomes the nominee, Wright/Farakkhan could pop up again in campaigning for the GE.

[TexasLady]

9. Im not big on preachers in general

but I have seen Wright do an awful lot of good for the community. Before my parents were Jehovah's Witnesses, Mom was a Baptist. I remember being scared out of my WITS as a young girl at those sermons!

Wright just seems to make certain people 'uncomfortable'. I for one, am not.

[Avalux]

10. This is "gawd-awful":

"All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are — were recipients of the judgment of God for that. And I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans."

'Reverend' John Hagee

McCain SOUGHT OUT this piece of filth's endorsement and spoke recently at his 'church'. There's a lot worse where that quote came from. Why isn't McCain being attacked and told he must distance himself from Hagee? Because they're white men and white men make the rules.

Wright's comments have validity. The African American population has suffered greatly in this country and those who are damning him and Obama are to not understand that.

[izzybeans]

11. The double standard is gigantic.

[kentuck]

12. Amen, CatWoman..

We can't let these true "racists" walk on us again. They are criminals and much worse than Farakhan and Wright, if the truth can be told.

[DesertFlower]

14. i agree.

as far as wright's comments. Is it not true that hillary never has been called a nigger? HIV created to kill black men? i always felt it was created by the government to give to gays and drug addicts. syphilis was given to black men.

is there anyone who hasn't said that they weren't disgusted with this country? and don't anyone call me anti-american. i love this country, but have been disappointed at times.


as far as the 9/11 remark didn't falwell say we were being punished for our sinful ways?

[Forkboy]

15. I kept waiting to be offended and it never happened.

It was like waiting for intelligence in a Michael Bay movie. :shrug:

:hi:

[CatWoman]

19. lol

speaking of which, he's about to do another remake!!

http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2008/03/rosemarys-baby.html

:hi:

[Forkboy]

20. The baby will explode in the first act.

:D

[pdxmom]

16. Beckel tried to bring up McCain's spiritual mentor, Rod Parsley, who

says that America was created in part to destoy Islam. The entire group shouted him down and said that it wasn't the same, etc.

Keith brought up Parsley on his show.

That was the extent of that coverage.

[FrenchieCat]

17. It's not just you......

Okay, folks. It’s truth time.

.... Jeremiah Wright is right.

This country was founded by landowning (read: affluent) men of European descent for landowning men of European descent. I love Thomas Jefferson. He was a brilliant political philosopher. But when he wrote “All men are created equal” he didn’t mean it the way I take it. He wasn’t talking about the rights of all men. He certainly wasn’t talking about the rights of women. The man owned slaves.

This country was built on the backs of African slaves on land that was robbed in the slaughter of Native Americans. I’m sorry if this offends your bourgeois sensibilities as it isn’t the totally awesome, God-fearing, flag-waving, USA #1!!!1 narrative that we teach to school kids, but it is historical fact.

America is a work in progress. It took people like Susan B. Anthony and Frederick Douglas to read deeper into the philosophies that birthed this nation. They realized that the rich, white men so many of us proudly call our Founding Fathers had only scratched the surface. And so they joined what would become a larger tradition: the fine American tradition of dissent. One hundred years after the Emancipation Proclamation this country was still segregated. Restaurants, buses, schools, drinking fountains and bathrooms. Again, it took leaders like Martin Luther King Jr. to see that “separate, but equal” was a ruse and that it represented a reading of these ideas that sold them short entirely. And some of these people were told they were too bombastic, too loud and too angry. It took leaders like Bobby Kennedy to see that their anger was well justified and long overdue.

We’ve come a long way since 1776. In many ways, America still represents some of the best hopes of this dream of human liberty. But we are not perfect. We have not yet arrived at our destination. And this country is still largely controlled by rich, white men. You can say, if you wish, that Jeremiah Wright is too loud and too angry, but you cannot say that he is wrong. I’ve been astounded by all of the people on this so-called progressive forum that seem to be held aghast at these ideas. I thought that progressives knew that the Iraq War was predicated on lies. I thought that progressives knew that unilateral support for Israeli policies with respect for Palestine was a source of difficulties in our nation??s relationships in the Middle East at large. I thought that progressives knew that 9/11 didn’t happen because they hate us for our freedom, but because of a complex history of these relationships that go back at least 50 years if not back through the better part of the 20th century. I thought progressives knew that entering the halls of power isn’t easy if you’re not a white man.

Let me be clear on this: This is only a problem for Barack Obama in that there are still a lot of pinheads around that don’t understand that dissent is the highest form of patriotism. And he’ll distance himself from it because he has to and because Wright’s style isn’t his. It’s not how Obama rolls. But there’s nothing untrue about Wright’s statements in and of themselves.

This is a picture that I like to look at every so often to remind myself of these realities. It’s a picture of nine white men beaming over Bush as he signs the “partial birth abortion” ban. It’s ten white men presiding over the rights of women. There isn’t one woman present here. This is the reality of power in America today. You can squawk all you want about how everything is fair, but that isn’t the way it shakes out, now is it?

If America wants to insist on maintaining the status quo so that we can make sure that rich, white men can keep taking advantage, then I say damn America, too. If America wants to insist that no wrong can be done underneath Old Glory, then I say damn America. If America wants to insist that nothing our nation does in the world community will ever come back on us, then I say damn America, but I don’t have to because she’s already damned herself. The power of the ideas that founded this country was not in the men who codified them. The power lies in the way that they ring to true to all who encounter them, encouraging them to be spread ever wider, ever deeper. It is the touchstone of human nature that we desire to be free. It is this spark that becomes a fire when we realize that we are all locked into this struggle together.

The struggle is not over and maybe it never will be, but don’t get confused about Jeremiah Wright. His only crime is being abrasive, but the people who find him most abrasive are the people who have are invented in denying the truth that he speaks.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/15/7702/

[BumRushDaShow]

26. Bravo!

:applause:

[Two Americas]

27. thanks

Thanks for that excellent opinion piece, FrenchieCat.

I am surprised by the number of Obama supporters who are trashing out Wright. Supporters of both candidates are looking for any opportunity to play gotcha. When Clinton supporters said that these revelations about pastor Wright were "hateful" and "racist" and would destroy Obama's candidacy, the response by many Obama supporters was to agree that the remarks were "hateful" and "racist" but then to deny that this could have any impact on the general. The reverse is probably more true. Of course the right wing is going to use this, and if we are not effectively countering it, it will gain traction with aythe public. Denying that is foolish. At the same time, the pastor is right. Where to now, Democrats? That is the question. If Obama supporters are saying that Wright's remarks are hateful and racist, how on earth can we counter the right wing propaganda on the subject in the general?

Also, I want to acknowledge your attempts over the last few days to introduce some sanity around here with your calls for some perspective and proportion, as well. Thanks. We need more of that.

[2rth2pwr]

31. If he is right, what does that tell you about Obama and his new

kind of politics?

[oasis]

18. Over the years,I've enjoyed listening to Farrakhan on access t.v..

He makes plenty sense, and I agree with a lot of what he says.

It's the Joe and Clara Smidlaps of America who have a difficult time seperating his message from his charged up rhetoric.

[dansolo]

21. He dared to criticize America

That is the greatest sin he could have committed. Personally, I hate the phrase "God Bless America". There are people who feel that somehow America is God's chosen kingdom, and that God will side with us in everything that we do, and smote our enemies. Rev. Wright had the temerity to question that world view, and raised the question of what we have done to truly deserve God's blessings.

[Duder]

22. Mix ignorance and politics and you'll get nausea

'Mr. Wright preached black liberation theology, which interprets the Bible as the story of the struggles of black people, who by virtue of their oppression are better able to understand Scripture than those who have suffered less. That message can sound different to white audiences, said Dwight Hopkins, a professor at University of Chicago Divinity School and a Trinity member. “Some white people hear it as racism in reverse,” Dr. Hopkins said, while blacks hear, “Yes, we are somebody, we’re also made in God’s image.”' -- New York Times, April 30,2007

Howard Dean also belongs to the UCC as well as about 10 others in Congress.

[madrchsod]

24. big johnnie had some interesting words about pastorgate

i wonder who started this if big john is "backing" obama?

[Blondiegrrl]

25. That's because everyone expects Repugs to be assholes.

Democrats are held to a higher standard, lol.

[johnnydrama]

28. Huckabee himself said

That the constitution of the Unites States Of America should be changed to reflect the word of the bible.

And nobody paid attention.

That's 50 times worse than anything that associates of Obama said, or anything Hillary has said or could ever say.

But nobody cared. Why? Becuase he's white. I can find no other explanation.

Hagee, Huckabee, Parsley, Fallwell, Robertson have said much much worse things than Wright has said, yet they have gotten passes
for decades.

9/11 happened in part because of America's misdeeds overseas, blasphemy.
9/11 happened because of the gays. No problem.

And McCain has saddle himself up to every one of the above, and he gets a pass daily.

The double standard is quite clear.

[barack the house]

30. Yeah Farrakhan was shwoing great humanity in his endorsement for Obama.Sounds like change to me.

[Swamp Rat]

33. Yeah you rite, CatWoman'!

:applause:

:hug:

[WillyT]

35. It Ain't Just You Cat...

:loveya:

BTW - How'd you survive the tornados? You OK???

:pals:

[NorthernSpy]

36. I know where all that shit is coming from, CatWoman...

We are going to pay those little fuckers back.


:hug: