Is Bush really that bad?

[Guaranteed]

I mean, no matter who wins the election, the terrorists are going to lose. Bush can't be THAT bad. We should at least give him that his foreign policy decisions are good for the US.

Right?

[Turbineguy]

1. The worst President in U.S. history

not the "not all that bad" President in U.S. history.

[salinen]

2. Are you a masochist?

[asjr]

3. NO!

[Guaranteed]

4. No, he's not that bad?

Or, no, you disagree with John Kerry?

[asjr]

12. No means he is that bad. I should have worded that better.

[Guaranteed]

29. You're

goddamned right he's that bad.

[sweettater]

5. I see you have over a thousand posts

so you must hang out here alot. So, why ask that question? Actually, I can't believe I even read it. Sorry, maybe you are serious. Are you?

[Guaranteed]

7. John Kerry's our goddamned NOMINEE.

Why don't you ask HIM why he'd say something like that?

[sweettater]

13. Please watch your foul language

and exactly what are you talking about!!!!!!!!!

[Classical_Liberal]

31. Probably this

John Kerry "No matter who wins the presidential election, the terrorists will lose."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=509208&mesg_id=509208

[Tinoire]

89. Whew. When I saw your thread yesterday, I was stunned

thinking I must have mis-judged how perceptive and progressive you were. Glad I refrained because we're on the same sheet of music after all.

Kerry had best SHUT UP if he doesn't want to chase away the progressive anti-war faction that is trying to FORCE themselves to vote for him.

Keep on talking John, you'll hand the election to Bush yet if you keep talking. The environment and abortion rights are simply not enough to make up for the lives being butchered in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine with your tacit consent & permission. Some of us would like to forget that only those 2 issues differentiate you from Bush.

You're forcing us to hold our noses SO tight that some of us will probably die of asphyxiation before getting to the voting booth. Just shut up and keep repeating ABB- that's all Kerry has fast become to me- someone who's not Bush. Evan Bayh and Zell Miller share that same distinction.

I wonder if decent Republicans hurt as much as they watched thie party get taken over by the Christian Right?

Hail, hail DLC and the manufactured war on terror where they are only happy to cooperate with Bush to the great satisfaction of the resource-stealing, labor-exploiting corporate globalizers.

[LandOLincoln]

95. No, YOU'LL hand the election to Bush

and you'll answer to all of us if that happens.

I hope you're comfortable with that.

[Guaranteed]

99. Kerry is doing this.

No one else.

[Tinoire]

100. Oh hush. That Gestapo technique fails to either impress or sway

I'll answer to you? To you? Who the hell do you think you are?

Let me guess.

:eyes:

And who the hell is "all of us"? Who is "us"? Do you have a little Gestapo group you belong to our something?

Words like yours are SCARY indeed! Is this the brave new America you are so ardent to impose on people? An America where people must answer to you (to YOU!) when they don't fall for all this goobledeegook about a manufactured war on terror and terrorists and terrorism and WMDS and blah, blah, blah?

[LandOLincoln]

108. Clearly that was the collective "you" and "us,"

and by "you" I mean the fringe left--who are damned near indistinguishable from the fringe right these days, in 'way too many respects...

And you are trying your damnedest to hand this election to Bush, just as you did the last time. And, also as you did the last time, I'm sure you'll all continue to deny that you're doing anything of the sort.

[Tinoire]

112. We are huh?

Well praise that Lord above that you showed up in time to get everyone straight!

Where have you been these last four years? Are you just waking up from your slumber to tell other people how to vote? Or did the DLC rouse you out of bed telling you there were progressives to be fought because they were sick and tired of watching the DLC take the party to the right?

Yes Sirree! Praise the Lord above that us activists have people like you telling us that we will "answer to you" if we don't want to fork over our vote the way YOU want us to.

You and your gross accusations have NO idea who people like me voted for. GORE. I voted for GORE! Who did YOU vote for? And by "you", I mean pro-occupation, pro-war, 'terrist'-fighters who are damned near indistinguishable from the fringe right these days in that your goals of looting, pillaging & occupying are the same as Bush's.

School of the Americas, A-OK right? Occupation of Palestine, A-OK right? A Manufactured war against Terrorism, A-OO? Cluster bombs, depleted uranium? Shooting journalists? A-OK?

That attitude makes me RETCH :puke:

[Forkboy]

106. "you'll answer to all of us if that happens."

Should I be scared now or later :eyes:

[coloradodem2005]

6. Yes he is that bad.

He has got to go. If he wins, the terrorists win.

[Guaranteed]

8. Yes, he is.

If Bush wins, the terrorists WIN.

[Zookeeper]

9. Are you quoting John Kerry?

'Not sure we're getting your point....

[Guaranteed]

10. The first sentence was a near quote, yes.

Are you pleased with a statement like that from our nominee?

[freetobegay]

24. Was a near quote?

Why not post the whole qoute? Or is this an attempt at a sound bite measure like other people we know use.

[Zookeeper]

75. I answered your post early in the discussion...

and at that point, no one (including me) seemed to be clear on what you were saying.

I just read the full quote. I am appalled. I don't think we will win "the war against terrorists" with *Bush in office, since he is so damn stupid he keeps finding ways to create new terrorists every day. Kerry needs to distance himself from the incompetence of the Bushies, not suggest solidarity with them!

[Guaranteed]

76. That's right. nt

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[Guaranteed]

18. Bush is a

piece of shit, in PARTICULAR when it comes to foreign policy. And John Kerry needs to SAY SO.

[Name removed]

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[Guaranteed]

You clearly have no understanding of the situation, then.

Again, like Richard Clarke said, the invasion of Iraq did nothing but undermine the war on terrorism. GREAT job, BUSH.

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[fearnobush]

30. Goodbye troll.

[edison1958]

39. Moderator......

....has been busy tonight!

[saracat]

69. When do the moderators

stop the Kerry thumping, after the election or the convention?

[Guaranteed]

72. Honest debate between Democrats on the issues is allowed.

Sorry.

[freetobegay]

83. To bad we can't get an honest debate

Just unsubstantiated rantings.

[Guaranteed]

92. That's what he said.

You don't like it, take it up with him.

[Catfight]

19. or NOT...stay away from the marketing, it's sucking you in. n/t

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[Champ]

27. Hi Dick Cheney!

:hi:

[freetobegay]

14. Oy vey

[ramapo]

15. Which foreign policy decision would that be?

The one to cut out of Afghanistan leaving it to the warlords?

The one to give the Taliban a ton of money pre-9/11?

The one to emphasis the stupid Star Wars defense systems?

The ones that have made the US more hated in more countries than anytime in my 50 years?

The ones that have stretched our armed forces to do "nation building" which he campaigned against?

Maybe the one to say screw you to the world while disavowing any interest in a comprehensive treaty to attack global warming?

The one to attack a country that did not threaten our own?

To name just a few...

Bush's foreign policy is at least as bad as his domestic policies and maybe even more difficult to fix.

[DoktorGreg]

16. Kerry was just being diplomatic and humble....

Because Kerry wants to give the Bush supporters an honerable exit plan.

When really the two policies are quite different, even though they sound similar. The Kerry plan is for justice while the neo-con plan is for "Just us".

Possibly, Kerry was also refering to the oft cited democratic election strategy of, "well just wait until the next election cycle!"

I think in the end we will find that Bush is not only as bad as we think, possibly worse. I think about my total dismissal of LIHOP theories from just two years ago, to now I honestly can not say there is nothing there.

[Old and In the Way]

41. Thanks Dok!

You get it. Kerry is talking to Republicans now. He's going to be President of all the people of the US, not just the extreme right that Bush represents.He's gunning for 65% of the vote....that will give him the mandate to fix what Bush has frigged up.

[Guaranteed]

44. Kerry needs to cut the loss of his IWR vote and

represent the fact that Bush has screwed us on the war on terror by misappropriating finances and troops in invading Iraq, as WELL as reinvigorating the terrorists themselves and creating a foreign policy liability in our occupation of the country.

This crap is not going to fly. He keeps this up, he's going to lose.

[opihimoimoi]

79. DoctorGreg, you got it right.

Get out the Vote. Its the only way to the cure. Forget the reactive Bandaids the Pubs use. Short term. Nothing like the cure. Better yet, the vaccination.

[Frances]

17. The terrorists have scored touchdown after touchdown

under Bush

I am thoroughly convinced that 9/11 would be just another day on the calendar if the man who got the most votes had been sitting in the White House

I am also thoroughly convinced that even if 9/11 had occurred on Gore's watch, the Taliban would not be making a strong comeback in Afghanistan the way it is now

Most terrorism experts think that terrorists have multiplied and are much more dangerous now than before Bush came into office

[Guaranteed]

21. Totally agreed.

Like Richard Clarke said, the invasion of Iraq has seriously undermined the war on terror.

So, exactly HOW is Bush so strong against terrorism? And why would our nominee SAY something like that?

[fleetus]

37. You're misrepresenting Kerry.

Maybe the first sentence of your original post is a "near quote" of ONE LINE of a speech Kerry gave recently. But your other sentences are definitely NOT quotes. All Kerry was trying to say is that he shares a common _goal_ with Bush -- the goal to minimize terrorism. Kerry is trying to sway the polls to explain to the public that he won't ignore the issue of fighting terrorism if he's in office.

I believe that Kerry's strategy to combat terrorism will be quite different from Bush's. Bush had his chance to fight terrorism and he f'ed it up (made the problem worse instead of helping). Now I'm going to vote Democrat and give Kerry a shot at it. You should consider doing the same.

[Classical_Liberal]

40. There is no way Kerry can win undecideds by conceding Bush

is an adequet President. I am voting for Kerry, but he is screwing up with this strategy and screwing up bad.

[Guaranteed]

42. That's NOT what Kerry said.

Kerry said that Bush is going to WIN the war on terrorism. What he should have said is along the same lines as what Richard Clarke said- that his invasion of Iraq has SERIOUSLY UNDERMINED the war on terrorism.

We should be conceding NOTHING to Bush, in particular the war on terrorism.

And, YES, I'm voting for Kerry. But he's not doing us any favors by saying that Bush is doing a good job in the war on terror.

[fleetus]

58. I think you're reading into one quote too much. Try the big picture.

"We share the same goal of total victory," Kerry declared, addressing an annual convention of the Newspaper Association of America. "And you can count on this: No matter who wins the presidential election, the terrorists will lose."

Kerry has said before he disagrees with how Bush is fighting the war on terror. In that particular sound bite, he is saying that regardless of party affiliation, presidential election, etc, America is committed to fighting terrorism and that is that. I don't see even in the sentence you're talking about, where he says "Bush is doing a good job in the war on terror." He is just being patriotic by saying America will "win" this war eventually.

Right now a lot of people think that a vote for Kerry is a vote against the war on terrorism. Also, lots of people think that Bush is doing a good job fighting terrorism. I think that both myths need to be attacked, and in the sentence you are talking about, Kerry is trying to bust the first myth. The second myth is more of a negative campaign issue and research shows that it is better for negative attacks to come from sources other than the opposing candidates mouth. i.e. negative campaigning works, but not as well when the opponent himself is slinging the mud. Watch the ads and you'll notice this advice followed almost every time.

[Classical_Liberal]

61. I think you are reading more into it then Bullgoose and me.

anyway, it is important how the mushy moderates read it, and that looks like Kerry is saying Bush is just as good. So the mushheads will now feel comfortable voting for him. It isn't true that it doesn't matter who wins. If it doesn't matter why bother running for president? Also it is dishonest to say Bush is or can win. Bush makes the war on terror unwinnable.

[Guaranteed]

62. Kerry is saying that he's as "good" as Bush

when it comes to fighting the war on terror. He should not be taking this position. He should be taking the position that Bush's decision to invade Iraq was an absolute detriment to fighting the war on terror, that Bush is reckless, unfocused, arrogant, and, hell, maybe even throw IGNORANT in there. This approach will not win Kerry the election, because he's playing by Bush's terms (which are WRONG). Why Kerry wants to play by Bush's rules, I have no idea, but as long as he does, he will be conceding the issue to Bush. And in this world, at this time, that will lose *US* the election.

[SlackJaw]

107. Think about this

--And, YES, I'm voting for Kerry. But he's not doing us any favors by saying that Bush is doing a good job in the war on terror.--

You are voting for Kerry, as are virtually all progressives, regardless of these couple of phrases. The middle is attracted to this. Kerry has softened the moderates with this statement. He has faith in America. He comes across as a better alternative, rather than just a politically motivated opposition. I think this is a winning move.

[Guaranteed]

109. His statement was garbage leadership.

You don't win elections by saying that the other guy's doing a good job!

His job is to lead, to pull the country in HIS direction. You don't see Bush running to the middle, do you? And why not? Because it looks weak.

[pretzel4gore]

82. in what way?

what is the point of 'islamofascist' terrorism? to create police states all over world? to unleash the mightiest military on earth on (relatively) defenseless countries like afghanistan/ iraq etc? to outrage/marginalize western supporters of economic sanity for the poor countries? to strengthen lying bushit media, and the bfee? what is the purpose of today's terrorism?

[fearnobush]

20. Can I say your nuts. I believe this is the wrong place to post a question

like that. Yes, I suppose your entitled too, but man, expect the thumping. I know there are trolls here as their are on every blog, but wow, 1000 post, thats real determination if you are indeed a troll.

[Classical_Liberal]

32. The question was rhetorical

See this post

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=509208&mesg_id=509208

[Name removed]

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[Guaranteed]

28. I'm pretty

fucking pissed at our nominee right now.

He's going to lose this election for us, with what he's doing.

[skooooo]

36. better vote for Bush then...

....if you can't see that Kerry is better.

[Guaranteed]

38. Kerry's SAYING he's no better!

How is that going to WIN us the election??

[skooooo]

45. How is whining going to do anything?

Kerry is bound to step on just about everyone's toes one day or another. Either suck it up and press your issues locally, or vote for Bush. I'm tired of arguing with folks who get discouraged at the drop of a hat.

[Classical_Liberal]

47. We want Kerry to change his policy

You simply can't win by saying Bush is ok. That just won't do, particularly with moderates.

[skooooo]

48. I haven't heard Kerry say that.

Why don't you post exactly what has got you so upset??

[Classical_Liberal]

54. Post 31 n/t

.

[LWolf]

52. If I had a quarter for every time I read

or heard some democrat saying this, I'd be out of debt.

Why, oh why, can't supposed "thinking" democrats see that remarks like, "don't like Kerry? Vote for Bush;" or any of the multitude of permutations, see that they are on the other side of the repuke looking glass?

"You don't like our country? Then leave. You don't like our president? Then leave." etc. etc. etc., ad nauseum.

"Don't like Kerry? Vote for Bush" is just as nauseating.

How about some *real* free speech, where *real* democrats are, not just allowed, but expected to, respected for, and supported in expressing their disagreement with policies, statements, etc. made by their own party? That's the way to keep democratic principles healthy, IMHO.

[Guaranteed]

60. Yeah, especially when we're right and just about everyone

(Democrats, at LEAST- and I'd say more folks than that) agrees with us.

[skooooo]

91. How about respecting my free speech??

[Guaranteed]

94. No one's taking away your free speech. nt

[skooooo]

96. And I didn't take anyone's away either, so the issue is moot.

Thanks for playing.

[LWolf]

105. Hear ya go:

I respect your right to spout narrow-minded, harmful rhetoric to your own party members.

I don't think I said we should outlaw you repeating, ad nauseum, a mirror image of repuke rhetoric. I just said I wished democrats would be more thoughtful, and recognize the comparison. If I recognized that I sounded like the very people I was battling against, I'd self-censor. Just me. It doesn't have to be you.

If you don't see the connection; if you don't think that if their behavior is wrong, we ought not to engage in it ourselves; if you want to adopt their habits and techniques; you ought to go on shouting to the world: DON'T LIKE KERRY? VOTE FOR BUSH!

And the rest of us will still be free to shake our heads, sigh, add a quarter to the jar, or just say flat out how repugnant it is.

[Old and In the Way]

49. You certainly are doing your fair share to make that happen.

Last month it was too early crown him the nominee, now it's Bush = Kerry.

Your doing a fine job creating dissention and discord here BGL....the RNC appreciates the support.

[Guaranteed]

53. Kerry did this, not me.

Kerry's the one saying that Bush is doing a good job.

You should be faulting him for that. Leaders do not do that.

[Old and In the Way]

101. If you want to choose a couple of sentences that make him look

like a statesman, someone who wants Bush supporters to vote for him in the fall, and disregard everything else that he's said in criticizing this administration, go for it.

Kerry wants/needs to win big this fall. He wants to depolarize the electorate as much as possible. If he wins 51-49 and Republicans maintain control...nothing changes, in fact things will probably become more divisive within our political culture. He needs to get a sizable chunk of Republicans to cross the line and vote for him. That will give him the mandate he needs to reverse the destructive course that Bush has set this country on.

[question everything]

59. There's more to the elections than the war on terror

There is the next supreme court nominees, there is Ashcroft with the stepping on human rights, there is Cheney with his RW ideology, and, of course, there is the economy where Cheney and Bush won.

And then, there is Bush's "foreign policy" with Rumsfeld foot in the mouth that lost all of our allies, all the solidarity that we all felt after 9/11.

[Guaranteed]

63. You're right, but the war on terrorism defines leadership.

Kerry's basically saying that Bush is a good leader. Way to go, Kerry.

If he wants to win this election, he's going to have to win this battle. Or at least draw (and he SHOULD win).

[Classical_Liberal]

65. That is what the party big wigs said in 2002

and we lost. This isn't about my vote this is about the votes of swing voters. Saying Bush is in anyway good, confuses them and makes them more likely to vote for Bush.

[question everything]

71. You are correct, and, BTW, your original post was from

the Time of India. Do we have a second source?

[Classical_Liberal]

77. The Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37827-2004Apr23.html

[LandOLincoln]

97. You and your fellow travelers are

morons. Thank WHOEVER that our nominee has more political smarts than you. Jeez Louise, GEE DUBYA has more political smarts than you do, even if he does get 'em from his zookeepers.

[Guaranteed]

98. LOL

Sure, guy.

[Guaranteed]

33. Are we going to concede this issue to Bush?

It seems as if our nominee is thinking that that is the right thing to do.

What do YOU think?

[Classical_Liberal]

35. Hell no

Kerry needs to rehire the asskicking Kennedy team that won him Iowa and New Hampshire and fire the washington fixers, who dicked up 2002 by taking the war off the table.

[fearnobush]

43. Ok, yes, that was really stupid thing to say.

I agree that Kerry needs to employ the weapon: Kennedy. I know what Kerry was thinking, (Don't fear me (Kerry) as weak on terror) but yes it comes off real pathetic like... No need to vote for me because we will be safe anyway.

[Classical_Liberal]

46. Thanks all I would like is a change in campaign strategy

and I think his advisors suck. It also disturbs me that his independent judgement is so lax that he would listen to such counterintuitive advise.

[Guaranteed]

51. Thank you.

That's all I want. All I want is for Kerry to represent us, and lead our country in the right direction.

[Classical_Liberal]

34. Touche Bullmoose!

John Kerry "No matter who wins the presidential election, the terrorists will lose."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&...

[rasputin1952]

50. Kerry will strike when bush is most vulnerable...

Why waste the time and effort at this point? The bush cabal are killing themselves...they are eating their own...:)

Kerry will deliver the coup`de grace when it is closer to the election. He knows what he is doing...:)

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

55. Amen... Brother or Sister

We know what we are doing. VP selection...Convention...Go for the throat in the last two weeks.

It is just so sweet.

[Guaranteed]

56. Kerry is defining himself, right now.

What's Kerry going to do when Bush starts going around saying that Kerry even conceded that Bush would win the war on terror?

Agree with him, I guess?

[rasputin1952]

64. Kerry won't concede the war on terror...

bush has set the stage for war, an unending war. Kerry will say, (I believe), that the defense of the nation is the priority of the war on terror, not running around spreading our forces so thin that we cannot defend our own shores.

Kerry is no fool, he has a ton of friends in the Senate, and will use them as well...:)

Kerry will come out of this with a bigger share of the electorate than bush could ever hope for...:)

[Guaranteed]

66. Kerry just said that Bush will win the war on terror.

He didn't say that Bush is going to lose it because he's alienating our allies, and starting needless wars (which is what he SHOULD be saying).

[rasputin1952]

73. I appologize...I did not hear that...

but I will have to look at the context. If this is what he said, I am wondering where he is coming from.

One edit: Kerry said that the war on terror will be won, regardless of who wins the election...that is not conceding, that is backing up his claim that he can win the war on terror, (if that war is winnable). bush ahs tossed our allies to the wind...the chances of him actually winning the WoT are slim if he insists on going it alone.

[Guaranteed]

74. What he said is that no matter who wins the election,

the terrorists will lose.

He basically said that Bush is doing a good job in the war on terror.

[Classical_Liberal]

57. Faluja, Richard Clark, 9/11 infestigations

How could he be more vulnerable than now? Anyway I'm waiting.

[rasputin1952]

70. The administration is falling, but there is more to come...

I can feel that the war on terror is going to come back and haunt bush. I am not saying there will be an attack, although that is a possibilty...but rather all of the communitites that were stiffed out of promised funding will come together to add to bush's problems. the economy is going to get worse, and all bush can talk about is tax cuts that no one who really works for a living got anything from.

These and other problems are going to play big as the election nears.

Just think, bush promised everyone and everything, that his poliocies wouold benefit the nation...not one thing has happened that has benefitted the nation at all. The only beneficiaries have been the corporate crowd, not the Old Guard GOP, but the neo-cons. They are going to bring this cabal to its knees....:)

[saracat]

67. You Are Joking????

Right? This isn't a serious question?

[Guaranteed]

68. You're right. It sounds like a joke, doesn't it?

It's so entirely regardless of the truth that it sounds like only a total moron would say it.

Certainly someone who's trying to beat Bush in an election would never say that.

[saracat]

103. Duh!

I get it.But I'm not going on the defensive. No candidate would be perfect.

[napi21]

78. YES Bush is THAT BAD!

Already the Feds can check your email, see what you checked out at the library, pick you up as a person of interest and hold you indefinately, right to choose is hanging by a thread, gays certainly have no rights, they invaded one country because it had a BAD leader, the plan seems to be invading any country who MIGHT be a threat, the media ownership % has been expanded, he's Pi**ed off the whole world, spent any surplus that existed, gave giant tax cuts to only the super rich, is holding the value of the Dollar down to expand exports but our jobs are going out along with it.

Just how many things do I have to list here!

[opihimoimoi]

80. It Can and most likely Will get worse if Bush is Reselected.

We must get out the Vite to rid ourselves of this "Infection" that is the Pub Scam.

[Guaranteed]

81. So let's make sure the voters have a real alternative. nt

[opihimoimoi]

85. In Kerry they do. The voters must decide for themselves, just what is it

they prefer: Promise or Fear. Bush is FEAR for he doesn't seem to know how to lead. He is a One Trick Pony, only focuses on War/fear/terror, but he neglects the Purse, the Land, Water, Air, and the Future for our children. Kerry, on the other hand, offers the promise of the future. No one is perfect but Kerry will be a whole lot better than that fraud we got now

Opi

[Classical_Liberal]

88. I don't doubt Kerry will be better, but Kerry has to say so.n/t

.

[opihimoimoi]

90. The situation is such I ready to vote for Mongo of RockRidge

should he be on the ballot.

[MoonRiver]

84. I assume this is a tongue in cheek post.

If not, I am stunned speechless by your statement.

[Guaranteed]

93. I'm very angry that

Kerry would say something like this.

[in_cog_ni_to]

86. Wrong.....Worst President of my lifetime

and I've lived through Nixon and Reagan. :( His foreign policies are good for the U.S.? The entire world now hates us. His foreign policies SUCK! HE sucks! :puke:

[Hippo_Tron]

87. Bush Sucks

Big time.

[Zorra]

102. No. He's worse.

The entire world hates him, except for about 50,000,000 fascist Americans.

[Guaranteed]

113. So let's SING it. nt

[Monte Carlo]

104. Yes, and don't tell me you take everything at face value.

Maybe if you read between the lines a bit, you wouldn't be nailing yourself to the cross.

[genius]

110. Bush is the terrorist. He brought us 9-11. He is the terrorist.

Just open your eyes.

[ulysses]

111. yes.

I share your annoyance with the Kerry quote, but yes.