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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:31 PM Original message |
Want to see the destruction of the Democratic Party? |
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MojoMojoMojo (579 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
1. For better or worse?You dont seem too concerned about winning the GE |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Good luck winning without African-Americans. |
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InAbLuEsTaTe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Zero chance. Obama is our only hope. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:18 AM Response to Reply #2 |
58. Good luck winning without white Americans. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:37 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. I know you're worried, Bake. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:41 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. I wish it did make me feel better. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:53 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Re. Al Gore: me too. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I am very concerned about that. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Good luck winning without working class whites and Hispanics |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Perhaps. Perhaps, not. |
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Bullet1987 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Hispanics are not as important a bloc as African Americans |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. It isn't just blacks, it's literally millions of first-time voters. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:19 AM Response to Reply #16 |
53. Hillary's opponent will win for sure as an independent? |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:33 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I think he'd do a lot better than Ross Perot did. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:09 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. Personally, I'm trying to avoid the destruction of the Party. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:13 AM Response to Reply #9 |
50. Hispanics dominate California, Arizona and Florida |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:24 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. And Calif has two Dem U.S. Senators and a majority of Dems in the House. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #54 |
98. They won't vote for an unqualified black guy, they have no white guilt |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. Can you describe any plausible victory for Clinton? |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Just curious. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #12 |
31. No. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. That's the most positive and ironic thing. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:15 AM Response to Reply #37 |
52. Wright is a Farrakhan sympathizer, worst of all possible worlds |
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BumRushDaShow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #52 |
81. Your circular argument will continue to go in circles. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #81 |
99. Agreed. n/t |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. Pelosi went on the record today: |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. That's the responsible thing for her to do. |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. You're welcome, and I'm glad she came right out and said it. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. I sent a letter to my uncommitted super-delegate congress-critter. |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Good to hear you spoke up. I hope others will as well. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 11:48 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. I have been working on the other attorneys in my building. |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 11:52 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Good idea. Especially about the letterhead! |
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CitizenLeft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. thank you for that. |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 11:20 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. You're welcome. I liken it to a shot across the bow. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 11:32 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Good analogy. |
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Unsane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:23 AM Response to Reply #28 |
60. Was this before or after Pastorgate? |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:45 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. Since she said it Friday, I'll go with *during* Pastorgate. |
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Nitrogenica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:44 PM Response to Original message |
6. Obama can beat McCain. I have no doubt. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. McCain looks terrible on television. |
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InAbLuEsTaTe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. Like a drum. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
7. Unfortunately, going the kitchen sink route |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I don't think they can turn to her. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. I'm hoping you're right. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Absolutely. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #7 |
75. I'll confirm it for you. Hillary has PERMANENTLY lost the Black vote |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:36 AM Response to Reply #75 |
82. Obama earned 80 percent of the black vote in Louisiana, which make up 45% of the voting population. |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
13. Good post, but I don't yet completely buy into this sentence: |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Like I said, there's plenty of racism here. |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:05 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I also noticed that the racism is predominant in older people. So we can |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Yes, we can. |
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amborin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
39. try Brazil, too |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:08 PM Response to Original message |
21. True, but the Super Delegates may have no choice but to select Hillary |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. His campaign has shown no signs of slowing down. |
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GoldieAZ49 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. yes, he knew he had to do damage control before the weekend |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:39 AM Response to Reply #22 |
64. Man, this stuff has only really hit in the last 2 days... you cant say that! |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #64 |
73. I readily admit that his campaign may suffer terribly. |
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Texas Hill Country (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #73 |
84. Are you suggesting that the Clintons don't support the AA community... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:46 AM Response to Reply #84 |
86. I think they would like to, and do so when it's politically expedient. |
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unkachuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:17 PM Response to Original message |
24. "...a black man.... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Ya know, that's an interesting question. What would he do? |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. I'm not sure you can put a movement on hold for 4 years. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. LOL. Jomentum. I hear ya. |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
26. thank you for your post |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
33. My pleasure. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
29. stick your fearful threats where the sun...... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 10:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. LOL. Threats? Who's threatening? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
44. Barack is winning by any measure and the Math has some bad news for Hilly. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 12:32 AM Response to Reply #44 |
49. I'll vote for Hill if she's the nominee. |
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NastyRiffraff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-14-08 11:55 PM Response to Original message |
47. Sorry Laeith, there's been too much trashing of Hillary and her supporters... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. I hear ya. |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
51. Many of us do not like being held hostage. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 07:53 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. I don't think anyone does. |
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Little Star (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:39 AM Response to Reply #56 |
65. I think I agree. Say hello to McCain in the general. |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
59. Obama will be the destruction of the party, if he gets the nom. |
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GarbagemanLB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. and if Hillary wins she will be destroyed by her refusal to release her tax returns for the past 6 y |
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Bake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:35 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Tax returns don't evoke the visceral response of "God Damn America" |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 08:55 AM Response to Original message |
69. Yes, Unite----time for BO to step down--- |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:03 AM Response to Reply #69 |
70. He may do that--for the good of the Party. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:19 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. there is zippo chance he will do that and you know it. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:26 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. I know. Damn uppity negro who lets his grandmama live in a "hut" n/t |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 10:21 AM Response to Reply #79 |
87. I would never speak of Obama in those terms. SHAME ON YOU. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #76 |
89. He might. We'll have to wait and see. |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #70 |
78. He won't do it -- for the good of America. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #78 |
83. I'm afraid of 1984. |
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DemVet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
71. This is nothing but a Repub tactic...FEARMONGERING!!!!! |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:15 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Point taken. |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
72. An insightful and well reasoned post, Laeith. Thanks. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #72 |
88. Thanks. n/t |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
77. k&r |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:29 AM Response to Original message |
80. "If the super-delegates choose HRC at the Convention, they will, in effect, be saying..... |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #80 |
85. I understand what you're saying. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
90. If Barack Obama is the best this party can do, |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Less Rethuglican than Bill |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. I don't see him that way at all. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. I am with you on every single one of those. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. That's an accurate take on my reflections. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Two things. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-16-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #97 |
100. These are interesting points that you make, |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
93. give it up. nt |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-15-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Give up what? Trying to save the Party? |
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