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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:06 PM
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I care as much about Obama's relationship with Wright, as I do Hillary's with McCain.
I simply don't.

No one said that all of our candidates friends and people close to them are saints.

Senator Clinton is good friends with the Republican nominee, John McCain.

Does that change her qualifications for President? No.

Does that make any less prepared to face McCain? No.

Just because someone is your friend, your family, your pastor, your former business partner, or a supporter of your campaign doesn't mean we should throw insults at the candidates and trash them because their friends and people around them aren't angels.

Thank you :)
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:08 PM
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1. If McCain was Hillary's spiritual adviser, I'd be worried!
Obama is in a World of Hurt Wright now.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:10 PM
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3. Where do you get your talking points? Ah, nevermind. Your sig line tells all.
I don't agree with mud slinging from either campaign.

Even if it's my side. Sorry.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:14 PM
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22. Ooooo...me likey.
I agree btw with everything you say.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:19 PM
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6. Hillary's spiritual advisers are 'The Fellowship'.
Are you worried that she's part of the same Bible study and prayer group as people like Sam Brownback and James Inhofe?
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 07:02 PM
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17. Video here with Wright's God Damning America and Threatening Blacks if they don't support Obama
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4443230

Oh, yeah! Rev Wright's racism is "good" for the country!
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 07:04 PM
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19. This is about as useless as those using Ferraro's comments against Hillary.
Shame on you.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:12 PM
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21. Shame on you for faking being a Hillary supporter!
Why don't you come clean and admit you're an Obama mole.

At least I could have a modicum of respect for you.

Obama's campaign is unraveling and doomed after the Wright revelations breaking today.. Theres no use keeping up the pretense any longer. Hillary will beat Obama hands down and has finally broken through exposing him for the fraud that he is.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:09 PM
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2. i agree.
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 06:10 PM by sweets
i don't like obama's pastor's praising of farrakhan, but if obama is comfortable with his pastor and his church, who am i to judge him?

i just hope it doesn't hurt him in the GE.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:11 PM
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4. Well once again, Karl Rove and company can get their talking points from DU.
I swear...no matter the nominee, the RW will have great talking points from right here at a progressive discussion forum. How nuts, huh?
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:18 PM
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5. c'mon.
sean hannity is all over this.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:40 PM
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8. Who knows, Sean Hannity could have a hidden account on DU.
I've heard crazier.

Tom DeLay's mentioned DU on his little website before. Republicans are out there, and they do watch what we say and do.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:52 PM
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13. i would think that dems would
read this site too. don't you think hillary and obama know what their supporters and non-supporters are saying about them? not that they read it, but they probably have staff members who do.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:39 PM
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7. Agree
Well rounded people have a variety of friends from all walks of life. It's what prevents people from becoming isolated, anti-intellectual cranks.

You only appreciate the world when your views are broadened by the divergence of people around you.

It doesn't mean you always agree with them or share the same views in all circumstances.

As to the handwringing over HRC's friendship with McCain, can anyone here at DU honestly say they don't have friends (from work, high school, the gym, etc) that have different views on many issues, sometimes substantive issues?

As far as Sen Obama and his pastor, my parish priest here in Korea knows my political and social views and we have had talks about them. I'm not going to run around distancing myself from him because of them.
He's a personable guy, who has always been there for my wife and children, and the times I've needed to talk to him, for me.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:55 PM
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14. my husband of 38 years was a republican.
he came over from the "dark side" to vote for obama.

my friend is a republican which i don't understand because she's a lesbian.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 07:00 PM
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16. My wife is rather conservative
but she's Korean and can't vote in US elections.

But, it would not totally surprise me if she was able to, she'd vote republikkan -- not for DUH-bya, she hates him and she hates McCain.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 07:03 PM
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18. my cousin's wife of 30+ years is korean.
Edited on Thu Mar-13-08 07:05 PM by sweets
i don't know if she became a citizen.

my husband says "every republican should be kicked out of office". he's been disgusted for quite a while, but just recently made the "official" change to dem in time for the primary.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:40 PM
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9. Thank you.
It's good to read a sensible post around here today.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:44 PM
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10. You're welcome. Say, is Mike still in the race?
I really wished when John Edwards dropped out, they would have let Mike into the debates.

Just to, you know. Add something to them ;)
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:48 PM
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11. He just defected to the Greens today, sadly.
But I'm keeping my avatar until we have a nominee, unless directed by the admins to remove it.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:49 PM
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12. Aw, why? That really stinks.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 06:57 PM
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15. No one took him seriously,
and he had some real, substantive things to say, particularly about Iraq.

Pretty much all the candidates who got marginalized early on were the most substantive, serious, qualified and experienced candidates, in my opinion, and they never had a chance, mostly because they couldn't raise the kind of money they would have needed to go up against the major players. There's just something fundamentally wrong with that, in my opinion, and if I were him I could see throwing my hands up in the air too.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 07:06 PM
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20. Yep. Dodd, Biden, Richardson. Great candidates. Edwards was my candidate...
...and his agenda was the most progressive of the major candidates.

And yet, he didn't have the resources to compete with $200 million between Hillary and Obama and couldn't get heard while the media orgasmed over the human interest story of Obama/Clinton.

Sad really.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:57 PM
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26. I liked Biden the most, myself.
I didn't expect him to get the nomination, but I never suspected that he would have to drop out after the first fucking contest. That really says something about how insurmountable the money advantage was for most of these candidates.

It's total bullshit.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:32 PM
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23. I'm just the opposite. They both bother me.
I think people we associate with says a lot about who we are ourselves. I do agree that no one is surrounded angels, and I don't expect them to be. But I do factor in the degrees of closeness, and the degrees of agreement.

And I'll also always hate any further rightward shift in any area of our lives, so that means I'm bound to be negative from here on out. ;)
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:38 PM
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24. "should" has nothing to do with it.
As a Kerry supporter, seems to me you ought to have learned that lesson the hard way.
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karmicglee Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-13-08 08:39 PM
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25. McCain didn\'t baptize Hil\'s children or marry her, or inspire her book
Apples and oranges.
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