I just realized: Hillary is not trying to win votes.

[anonymous171]

Or the popular vote at least. I had an epiphany while I was in the shower this morning. Why would Hillary use repug attacks against a democratic rival? Then it hit me: she isn't trying to bolster herself up as the better democrat, but is trying to make Obama look less electable. Even if Obama is ahead in pledged delegates the super delegates won't care. If he is seen as damaged goods they will switch to Clinton in order to avoid defeat. And that is what she is doing, that is why she has gone ultra-negative (republican style)She has already said she is prepared to win by SD alone, popular vote be damned.

[jlake]

1. Hillary is going to win this. And she is my hero for sticking by her guns and not letting

the MSM and bullies taker her down. GO HILLARY!

[Citizen Kang]

4. The only way Hillary "wins" this....

is to steal it at the convention in a Bush-style coup. If that is your version of Democracy, join the GOP. If this make Hillary your hero, then you have some problems.

I thought you were leaving DU anyway after Obama's last blowout victory....

[jlake]

5. Hillary will win by following the rules.

It is not a "coup" or comparable in any way to win using the party's rules.
Don't be a dolt.

[Fredda Weinberg]

19. You don't steal nominations at conventions. You really don't believe

in party politics, do you?

[Kahuna]

30. Let's see if you have the same opinion when the party gives OBAMA

the nod.

[Fredda Weinberg]

36. I've accepted every nominating conventions' choice ... why should this

one be different? You're projecting and it's part of what's made this silly season.

[DeSwiss]

6. "Hillary is going to win this"

And if she does, whatever "this" is, I want no part of it. While I am an uncle, my name is not Tom. So I won't be a black man willingly supporting a racist-led Democratic Party. That's going backward from whence we came.

- That's what "this" will end up being. If that's what you want, you're welcome to it....

[jlake]

8. Dramatic much?

is the word "win" racist?

[DeSwiss]

16. Look, I posted my response to this thread....

...and its how I feel. Sorry it doesn't jibe with your world view, but we obviously have had different experiences. Mine were real and I have the scars to prove it.

I think that using racist tactics in an attempt to gain an advantage is not talking about the issues this campaign needs to be addressing. We have a country tanking financially due to a war we should never have been in. And to this day she still refuses to repudiate her vote for it. That's not what I signed-on for when I voted Democrat for the first time in 1971.

But I'm sure they factored-in the loss of people such as myself in their decision to take the low road. So she's made her bed, and now must lie in it.

[cali]

22. hilly can't bully her way to the nomination, dear

and Pelosi's comments make it clear that she won't. Forget that Pelosi is a lousy Speaker, she's still the most powerful dem in the party and she commands lots of House SD votes. Those votes will be going to Obama. Hilly's chances of getting the nomination are slim to none.

[jlake]

23. As the race is today - I agree that the Hillblazer wouldn't win.

But things can change - let all the states vote and let's see where the popular vote is and what national polls show.

[SoCalDem]

28. A lot of the super delegates are not that fond of her..

I just wish they would shit or get off the pot..and declare their choice.. It could un-muddy the waters..

and SAY what they are going to do about FL & MI..and quit all the dancing around..

if it becomes clear that HRC cannot "catch" up, then perhaps the attacks might lessen.. or maybe not.. who knows..

all this damned money raised & spent..for what? a TIE?? and hurt feelings all round??

We have GOT to get this whole process changed and changed quickly, after this is all over.. We need regional primaries CLOSED to only democrats who have BEEN democrats at least 9 months .. 6 regions..one a month..start in Feb..all done by July 1..

Iowa & NH could be exempted but they have to hold theirs no later than Jan 20..

Regions would draw lots for order of participation..Feb-Jul

[cali]

31. Can't agree with you on regional primaries

I'd like to see 4 small and medium size states go first- just get rid of the Iowa and NH privilege. I want to preserve retail politics. As for the idea that only people who have been dems for 9 months, no thanks. In my state there is no party registration, and Vermont runs just about the cleanest elections anywhere in the country.

[SoCalDem]

32. We would still have states jumping all over themselves to "go first"

Maybe we could go alphabetically... like in kindergarten :)

[indimuse]

26. !!!

!!:)

[durrrty libby]

33. Let us hope you are right. BO and his race baiting campaign are sickening

[better tomorrow]

2. gosh, it IS morning, isn't it? Time for bed....

but, anyway, she is using Repug tactics because she is really one of them. Remember, she had Republican parents and upbringing. She is just a Democrat in disguise, just like Bush was not a true Conservative.....

[Daphne08]

3. Whatever she is doing has alienated me. n/t

[jgraz]

7. The SuperD's will never overturn the popular results

Most of them aren't stupid enough to rip that party apart and Hillary knows that.

No, Hillary is playing for 2012. The Rethugs have no credibility on racial attacks, so Hillary is paving the way for them. She wants to destroy Obama so she can have another crack at the presidency in 2012.

[stolidus]

9. The media made Obama...

He is not very impressive without the media pandering to him...

When that ends he will be through...there is a ton of material on Obama...the media will build and knock down not unlike a five year old and a pile of legos.

Sad for our party though, sad indeed.

The media built him up for some political hyperbole, makes good entertainment.

Yes, there are plenty of folks mesmerized by Obama's cult of personality. He even has his share of wealthy supporters. It will make no difference when the media goes after him.

[sniffa]

34. bye

:hi:

[Why Syzygy]

10. I'm not sure the SDs can upset the entire apple cart all on their

own. They have one vote, just like other delegates. There really is no SUPER about it.
That may be one of Hillary's tales. It doesn't hold up.

[lapfog_1]

11. And if it fails

and Obama is the nominee, Hillary is counting on a McCain victory (helping a McCain victory), just so she can run in 2012.

This is a win-win for Hillary. A lose-lose for Democrats. But I don't think she gives a damn.

[Liquorice]

13. That is a loony conspiracy theory. You have absolutely no proof of this accusation. I find

it unbelievably bad form to accuse any democrat of such a thing.

[McCamy Taylor]

12. The right wing is trying to win votes by making Obama less electable in the general

I will get this journal "The Press v. Obama" written tomorrow and you will see the almost daily attacks on him that RW sites have been waging for the last six months. All of it designed to make him easy for the GOP to defeat in the general. And Hillary does not own the Moonies or Fox or Pat Buchanan or any of those reactionaries.

He has been called liberal, commie, terrorist, Black supremacist, Muslim terrorist and worse---it is amazing that their noses are not a mile long by now.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

14. Either that or rough up the Big O enough so he loses the GE, which paves the way for Hillary in 2012...

[McCamy Taylor]

17. Why make it all about Hillary when Karl Rove is out there wil forner Nixon

CREEP members writing lies about Obama. Why does anyone hire someone who used be a dirty trickster for Nixon, unless they are doing the same dirty tricks again to try to fuck up this election like Buchanan fucked up 1972?

Why make it complicated when it is real simple? Rove wants McCain to win so he can pardon all their asses. He is using dirty tricks to do it. The FCC can make the MSM do whatever it wants.

That is a very simple plan. Not hard at all.

[CreekDog]

15. If she is not trying to win votes

She is doing a damned good job of it. :banghead:

[DeSwiss]

20. Yeah well....

...she got 24% of the Republican ones in Mississippi.

[CreekDog]

21. Very shrewd having Rush as part of her GOTV effort

:eyes:

[McCamy Taylor]

18. Rove probably loves you for posting this. The RNC is getting a big laugh over it,

[acmavm]

25. Why is it I wonder that every time someone shows some support for

Clinton it always ends up coming around to that person being a secret agent for KKKarl Rove and the republicans? They just can't maybe find her a better candidate? They have to be a racist republican, right?

You can suppport YOUR candidate but there's just some nefarious bullshit plot going on when someone supports THEIR candidate.

[quantass]

24. ...And if that happens Civil War will happen -- The will of the People dont count -- The new Russia

[against all enemies]

27. She is trying to drive a wedge between white and black voters.

Her constant racism is designed to make Obama less appealing to the white voter so the the SDs step in and give her the nomination because she "appeals to a greater cross section" of the country. This is her only hope to win the nomination and she is willing to pursue it. As a white person I find it offensive, if I was a person of color, I don't know how I would define it.

[npincus]

29. she's chosen the dark, low road and is taking us all with her.

Her sense of entitlement and arrogance are the downfall of us all.

[cooolandrew]

35. The only person destroyed will be HRC, HRC is taking Democrats for idiots.

[Mooney]

37. Correct. n/t

[Avalux]

38. Obama is the most electable against McCain in polls this morning.

Her attempts to minimize him aren't working. The Superdelegates aren't stupid; they also know her win-only-a-few-states strategy will not win her the GE.

[DemGa]

39. It's funny how supposition gets repeated as fact here

Repug attacks, racism, etc. They now get repeated as accepted truth, but are only an interpretation at best.

The fact is, Obama used right-wing generated perceptions and slander against Hillary from the start. But what's the use?

[Arkansas Granny]

40. I doubt very much that the political bickering that has been going on

in this contest is going to sway the super delegates one way or another. They will pledge their support according to their own conscience and what is best for the Democratic party.