You think Hillary is bad, just wait until the repugs start pushing the Muslim issue

[Seeker30]

Hillary will look like a saint if Obama is nominated. Unlike her nothing is off limits to the right wing machine, they are ruthless and very effective. They successfully painted Kerry from a war hero to a traitor and it cost him the election, this against Bush who was to drunk to show up for the reserves.

They will push and push and push that Obama is a muslim and a terrorist supporter enough times until it is eventually be believed. You think Hillary is bad by a 3AM commercial? Just wait until you start seeing commercials with Obamas face with the 9/11 terrorists and false rumors that he had ties to them. And thats just one thing out of many that they will attack, they know very well that if you say something enough times it is believed. Obama can barely survive Clintons minor attacks, there is no way he'll survive a full blown attack. There is only one result of an Obama nomination and that is a President McCain.

[movonne]

1. well having mc cain for president might be to your liking...

[BeatleBoot]

6. I think the poster doesn't want McCain as president. That's the point.

[GodlessBiker]

19. That's just what he hopes you think he thinks, I think.

[Seeker30]

23. Hey asshole, pointing out what everyone should already know doesnt make me republican

Its about who has the best chance to win the GE and Clinton is capable of fighting the repugs, whereas Obama rolls over. What are you going to do when they're attacking Obama? Sit in here and whine about it?

[cali]

60. LOL! seek help

you're suffering from delusions. Obama is a far more effective fighter than pugnacious, tone deaf hilly. He doesn't whine like hilly does, day after day. And he has a better chance of winning the general. He's a far superior tactician. She sucks at it. That's why she the LOSER.

[tekisui]

2. Vote for Hillary to avoid the Reich Wing smears.

That doesn't quite win me over.

[yourout]

3. Let them........But this shit should NEVER come from a Dem.

[Bicoastal]

4. Um, haven't they brought it up already?

[sueragingroz]

5. yep.... she is holding back. big time.

[anigbrowl]

13. Holding back what?

Do tell us.

[XemaSab]

7. Thanks for your concern.

Sorry, but Obama can repudiate being a Muslim. He can't repudiate being black.

[Hepburn]

8. IMO....

...you got lost on your way to Free Republic.

[leftynyc]

55. Just because

someone points out what the pukes are going to do to Sen Obama in the general makes them a right winger? This place gets more fucking insane every day.

[anigbrowl]

9. But they will never say anything bad about Hillary

because if they do, everyone would refuse to vote for them. Or something.

sorry, I'll take my chances with Obama. somehow I don't think the OP is motivated by genuine concern over the GOP, since there's no commitment to stand up and fight those smears with the truth.

[Levgreee]

10. "Obama can barely survive Clintons minor attacks" That's why he's winning big time?

:crazy:

[bigbrother05]

11. Well we see that you fell for it

[Barack_America]

12. The only reason I think she's "bad" is because she calls herself a DEMOCRAT.

It doesn't surprise me at all to hear this stuff come from Republicans.

But these tactics have no place in our party.

[LizW]

53. So what is the strategy for the general election?

If Hillary and all the others who have been called racists here are "only" bad because they are Democrats, how will you fight racism in the general election? What do you do when some Republican pundit makes a racist or bigoted statement? The right takes price in their racism and bigotry.

The "race card" works against liberal Democrats BECAUSE we are liberal Democrats. We HATE to be called racists because I denies everything we have worked for.

The Replicans don't care. Call them racists all day, and they just shrug.

[not_too_L8]

14. What's wrong with being muslim? ..n/t

[WinkyDink]

56. You aren't thinking like a Republican.

[BeatleBoot]

15. And there you go the "DU Brain Trust " just figured it all out.

Hillary bad.

Obama good.

[pdxmom]

16. That push is already on. It's going to be pushed by RW hate radio. And

if someone is listening and believing those blowhards, they aren't going to vote for Obama anyway.

The MSM will not push the Muslim lie.

[Arkansas Granny]

22. But the MSM will carry the ads that are produced by the Republican smear machine.

The MSM covered the swiftboaters and other negative ads against Kerry. What makes you think that they won't carry the same BS ads against Obama or Clinton. The Republicans will have the mone to pay for those ads and that's all it will take. What the RW can't dig up, they'll make up. Look how they treated Harold Ford. Do you think that the "Harold, call me" ads had nothing to do with him losing his race? It's going to be tough going for the Democratic nominee.

[laugle]

42. Many dems listen to RW radio, just to see what they are up to!

The saying goes, "keep your friends close and your enemies closer!"

There are many more RW radio hosts than progressive's in many states. I think Limbaugh is on something like 1600 stations and AAR something like 300.

[Cooley Hurd]

17. OMG! I'm gonna vote for Senator Clinton because...

...RWers would NEVER campaign negatively against HER!:crazy:

[AZBlue]

18. So Hillary Clinton should be the nominee because WE'RE SCARED OF THE GOP?!?!?!?!

WTF??????????

[usrbs]

58. But so many Obama supporters say Hillary is unelectible

Be consistent. I agree with your current position - we should not try to vote based on gaming what the GOP will do, but so many threads claimed Clinton would lose against McCain before the polls changed.

[muntrv]

20. On the other hand, the reich wingers will never link Hillary to terrorists.

:sarcasm:

[goclark]

21. And Pillary has given McCain a gift of so many talking points

I don't mind if the Mc's party piles on Obama.

It's not nice but those are there true colors.

Now when your own Democratic party members sticks it to you and favors your enemy, that's too much.

[earthlover]

44. Good point...and by a Democrat starting these memes, it will make it lots more easy for the Reps

Hillary's words have given the Reps openings that they can easily exploit. It would have been more difficult for them otherwise, looking partisan. But when they are just agreeing with what a Democrat said, it has more effect....thanks Hillary! And your pal McCain thanks you too.

[Thurston Howell III]

24. Is it true that Hillary was the actual person who killed Vince Foster?

I heard she's a lesbian too.

[DearAbby]

25. Yeah the "Muslim attack" worked so well when Hillary used it

:eyes: I mean the GOP needs to get pointers on how to run a campaign to beat Obama from Hillary herself....:rofl:

[tyne]

26. I find it odd that this keeps coming up

Do you NOT understand the difference between battling a sparring partner and boxing an acutal fight?

[jody]

27. And BO's association with gun-ban groups like the Joyce Foundation & Violence Policy Center. n/t

[Blondiegrrl]

28. This post is laughable.

Could McCain beat Obama? Yes, that's entirely possible.

But does Hillary have a better chance against McCain? Hillary Clinton, the Democrat all Republicans, most Independents, and some Democrats love to hate?

I don't think so.

[Danger Mouse]

29. Remember 'C U Next Tuesday'? That pales in comparison to what we'll see...

if Hillary Clinton gets the nomination.
IMHO, scum will be scum either way.

[jmg257]

30. Seems they fooled you already - and (supposedly) you KNOW the truth.

Or do you just take him at his word?

[anonymous171]

31. And they have limits when it comes to attacking Clinton?

Yeah right. :eyes:

[walldude]

32. If what you're telling me is true..

then you want me to vote for the candidate the republicans want in the race. Good fucking plan. :eyes:

[mtnsnake]

33. You speak the cold hard truth

and I can't believe this isn't on the greatest page, but then again, this place is mostly comprised of Obama groupies who can't deal with reality.

Anyway, I'll be glad to give you the first rec for telling it like it is :thumbsup:

[stillcool]

34. and so?

that is expected. Coming from the big bad Republicans that is. It has been coming from the Clinton Campaign since Iowa...that kind of surprised "Some" Democrats. If you don't think Obama will survive this hate shit, just watch.

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail
A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.
Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged
comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."
Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

[Armstead]

35. Eitehr candidate is going to get attacked by the RW Smear Machine

And the 1/3 of the country who buy their crap will not vote for a Democrat in any case.

It's that third in the middle who matter. And they're not going to buy that kind of crap.

[SunsetDreams]

36. Why wait...

when we can have a post about it on DU

:sarcasm:

[Seeker30]

48. Welcome to your 3rd day on DU

[kwenu]

37. Hillary's campaign is responsible for circulating the "He's a muslim" emails.

Why blame the Repubs when Hillary is giving them the ammo?!!!!!!

[laugle]

38. Their already doing it!

Talking about how dangerous it would be to elect him. I watched McLaughlin on PBS this last weekend, and they talked about Obama's connection's in Chicago and with Rezko. They said the RW is already trying to find something on him in Chicago, and if there's anything to it, they will surely find it.

This is why the vetting process is so important before we pick a candidate!

[earthlover]

45. vetting? you don't say! then where are HILLARY'S TAX RETURNS?

That should be on the first page of a vett report....it is totally absent from Hillary's

Who is kidding whom about being vetted?

[laugle]

46. If that's the big bombshell your

waiting for, I think you will be disappointed..............I'd also like to see the doc's on Obama's "sweetheart" deal for his house!

Touche'

[earthlover]

49. I don't know if it is a bomb shell, don't know it isn't--I do know she is not vetted

Unless we see her tax returns. Especially after that $5 million loan.

Evasiveness does not make us less suspicious. Full disclosure will.

[laugle]

51. I'm sure you will get your wish, but it's unlikely to uncover any big scandal!

[earthlover]

52. Already 39 states have voted...wouldn't it be nice to be vetted BEFORE voters decide?

In any case, Hillary is not vetted yet. So her supporters are hillary-ous if they want to imply Obama isn't

[laugle]

61. When we know the latest

results of her Pap Smear test, then it's a wrap! LOL......vetting completed!!

[DerekJ]

39. you know Karl Rove went on fox and asked

The republicans not to use the Muslim smear tactic because it will show them as bigots and it will backfire on them.
Need I say more ?

[Seeker30]

47. Uh no, please don't say more

Your ignorance is overwhelming

[bhikkhu]

40. So skip all the trouble, let the GOP elect our candidate too.

[bhikkhu]

41. Let them run our campaign too, if they are so much better at it.

[K Gardner]

43. You're defending HIllary's treachery by saying the other side will be worse? Good god almighty, wake

up !

[SoonerPride]

50. Let em try it

Obama will win in a landslide

[my3boyz]

54. I expect that from the Republicans..I don't expect it from a Democrat!

[usrbs]

57. That should be very easy to counter

Actually, the Rev. Wright story will "help".

But seriously, that's the least of my worries.

[cali]

59. um you really like simplistic, eh?

Nothing will make Hilly look like a saint to most voters. Furthermore, the Muslim thing will surely backfire if they push it in the way you describe. Obama is doing just fine against the attacks of Clinton. It's whiny hilly who has to go on TV shrieking "shame on you, Barack Obama" over his mild criticism of her health care plan. It's whiny hillypoo who complains about mean old Obama constantly. And genius, he's winning. He's beating her. She's run a for shit campaign against him. She certainly won't be able to run anything but a shit campaign against McCain who will have a field day with her. Get used to it, Obama will be the nominee.

[From The Left]

62. Hillary and Penn Have Given them Their Template

[thevoiceofreason]

63. Oh damn! I guess we should just go home! LLLL

[Thurston Howell III]

64. Take a look at the Snopes link. All except one isn't true but they are going to

push them.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/obama.asp

[stillcool]

65. I bet you can't wait...