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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:08 AM
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WHY BARACK OBAMA OUGHT TO WIN THE BLEEDING NOBEL PEACE PRIZE
WHY BARACK OBAMA OUGHT TO WIN THE BLEEDING NOBEL PEACE PRIZE
By Bill Gallagher

Who'll be the last to die for a mistake,
The last to die for a mistake,
Whose blood will spill,
Whose heart will break,
Who will be the last to die?
-- Bruce Springsteen,
"Last to Die," Magic Album, 2007.


DETROIT -- The Boss belts out the crunch questions the presidential candidates should be asked. Throughout the endless debates and Sunday morning gabfests, the reporters and pundits who grill the candidates usually don't frame questions about the war in Iraq with the stark premise that it is a mistake and people continue to die for a futile cause.

Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama will at least discuss the decision five years ago to invade Iraq. Sen. John McCain doesn't want any conversation about how the United States got into the disaster he enthusiastically supported, and for good reason.

In the autumn of 2002, when Hillary Clinton got that 3 a.m. phone call, she decided to trust President George W. Bush. It was the worst mistake of her public life. Late last year, gearing up for the election, Clinton pointed to "false" intelligence and told her supporters, "If Congress had been asked (to authorize the war) based on what we know now, we never would have agreed."

Still, Clinton will be haunted by her contempt for the truth, good judgment and international law. If she gets the Democratic nomination, Clinton and McCain will only debate post-invasion issues and what we do now. Her plan for a phased withdrawal of U.S. forces will certainly distinguish her from McCain's commitment to endless war.

Obama's position on the invasion of Iraq, articulated during his 2002 campaign for the Senate, showed courage as the nation was merrily marching to war. He also demonstrated exceptional prescience and prudence.

Obama recognized Saddam Hussein as a murderous thug, a bad guy, but he also understood Saddam posed "no imminent and direct threat to the United States." He then offered an insightful analysis of what would happen after Saddam was ousted.

more...

http://www.niagarafallsreporter.com/gallagher355.html
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:14 AM
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1. The deification of Barack Obama is way beyond nauseating now
While Clinton and Edwards and Kerry and many others were being lied to by the Cheney/Bush machine, Obama was a lowly state senator of no consequence. What he said then about the war in some pretty speech is, and always will be, inconsequential.
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Metric System Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:19 AM
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2. "articulated during his 2002 campaign for the Senate" Huh?
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:22 AM
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5. That is his most blatant misrepresentation. He was not running for US Senator in 2002
And he continues to promulgate this lie, even in debates.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:49 AM
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11. He said "race" not "Senate race" and he did run for a House seat and lose in the primaries
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 10:50 AM by karynnj
He sometimes said "tough Race".

That said that speech does not deserve a Nobel Peace Prize.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:58 AM
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13. I'm pretty sure in the last debate he said us senate race. I could be wrong, and if I am
he is constantly trying to leave that impression.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:03 AM
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14. HERE IS PROOF OF THE LIE HE INSISTS ON TELLING:
MR. WILLIAMS: Senator Obama, a quick response.

SEN. OBAMA: Let me just follow up. My objections to the war in Iraq were simply -- not simply a speech. I was in the midst of a U.S. Senate campaign. It was a high-stakes campaign. I was one of the most vocal opponents of the war, and I was very specific as to why.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/26/us/politics/26text-debate.html?adxnnlx=1204160546-QPzUmV7Bsy0h0qTXYFv%20MA&pagewanted=all

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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:50 AM
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17. He clearly misspoke there - when he has said it at other times I heard him say tough race
He should be more careful, but it doesn't change the meaning of what he meant - he was running and it was a stand.

Everyone - including HRC - makes these errors.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:53 AM
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18. I have heard him say it more than once. do I have to go look for you? nt
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:47 AM
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10. It was a race for a Congressional seat
not the Senate, Durbin was re-elected in 2002.
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:51 AM
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12. Illinois Senate. That year Illinois was seriously considering whether to invade Iran.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:19 AM
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3. Sure. And crown him King of the World, too
This is getting absurd. I don't care who it is, this deification of a POLITICIAN is stupid and disgusting.
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BigDDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:20 AM
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4. "He also demonstrated exceptional prescience and prudence"
by funding the war he opposed.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:23 AM
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6. ROFLMAO!!!!!!!
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:31 AM
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7. Thank you OMC....
I agree with you completely. I had a good laugh over this one.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:34 AM
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15. I need some wine.
Can I send a bottle of water to Obama?
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:40 AM
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16. Next he's going to raise the dead!
O8)
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LadyVT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:32 AM
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8. OMG. This is so ignorant. This is so diminishing of the peace prize.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:34 AM
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9. Lame. Let's wait until he, say, ends the Iraq war.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:58 AM
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19. K/R.
:kick:
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:15 PM
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20. Here's another one who went off the deep end!
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