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notundecided Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:27 AM
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George Mitchel on Hillary's role in Northern Ireland
1. George Mitchell On Hillary's Experience Story 03/10/2008
Former Sen. George Mitchell tells Katie Couric about his complicated role as a superdelegate, how Hillary Clinton helped in the Northern Ireland peace process, and whether he would serve as a ..


George Mitchell: She was helpful and supportive, very much involved in the issues, knew all of the delegates. She accompanied President Clinton on each visit he made to Northern Ireland, made several visits of her own. Her greatest focus was on encouraging women in Northern Ireland to get in and stay in the political process, the peace process. And I have said publicly many times and wrote in my book, the role of women in the peace process in Northern Ireland was significant. It did make a difference in the process, so as I said I think it was a helpful and supportive role.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/10/eveningnews/main3923206.shtml?source=search_story
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:29 AM
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1. she has absolutely NOTHING to do with negotiations. NOTHING. Laura Bush has held meeting too.
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 09:29 AM by cryingshame
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:40 AM
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4. Look, don't EVER compare Laura Bush to Hillary Clinton. Just don't go there. nt
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:52 AM
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6. I just did. And as Hillary supporters say- the GOP would have a field day with Clinton's exageration
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:38 AM
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38. Agreed.
Being first lady doesn't translate into experience as commander-in-chief.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:36 AM
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37. You're right. Hillary still has about 9 months more "experience" as first lady than Laura Bush.
Other than that, Laura can run for president and claim "commander-in-chief" experience.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:56 AM
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10. So we should believe the likes of you over George Mitchell?
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 09:56 AM by Tarc
Yea... :eyes:
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:40 AM
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40. Did Obama?
Look, you are voting for a guy with ZERO experience relevant to the job, and at the same time trying to pretend she has none. It's complete bullshit, and at least half the voters (the ones capable of making up their own mind instead of being led by the media like sheeple) agree.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:31 AM
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2. Good post -- K&R!
I can't stand people belittling Hillary's role in Northern Ireland, when they know nothing of what and how it was accomplished.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:39 AM
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3. Hillary is not being honest
http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=6511

A key peace negotiator and Nobel Prize winner intimately familiar with the Northern Ireland peace process, however, says that Mrs. Clinton's claim is exaggerated and a "wee bit silly." Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, Nobel laureate, former First Minister of the province of Ulster in Northern Ireland, and a key player in the 1998 Good Friday Agreement for which Mrs. Clinton seeks to take credit, had the following to say as reported in London's Telegraph:

"I don’t know there was much she did apart from accompanying Bill going around.... She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don’t want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player.

Negotiator Conall McDevitt likewise recalls no significant role played by Mrs. Clinton in the peace process, noting that all significant communication with the US administration came from the president himself. An important meeting in Belfast that Mrs. Clinton claimed to have "pulled together" turns out to have been a tea party organized by the US Consulate. Conversation at the event "seemed a little bit stilted, a little prepared at times" according to the report, and Mrs. Clinton admired a stainless steel tea pot for keeping the brew "so nice and hot."
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notundecided Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:51 AM
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5. Jamie Rubin response to Tucker in Hillary's role
Second, Jamie Rubin is on MSNBC waiving around a letter by John Hume who said that Hillary indeed played a role in the peace process in Northern Ireland:

I can state from firsthand experience that she played a positive role for over a decade in helping to bring peace to Northern Ireland.

She visited Northern Ireland, met with very many people and gave very decisive support to the peace process.

In private she made countless calls and contacts, speaking to leaders and opinion makers on all sides, urging them to keep moving forward.

http://seanbraisted.blogspot.com/2008/03/hillary-and-ireland.html
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:15 AM
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18. Tell that to the guy who won the Nobel Peace Prize
He's belittling what Hillary said. Does he know nothing of what and how it was accomplished?
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Alamom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:17 AM
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22. Tell it to John Hume,Nobel laureate,Gandhi Peace Prize,Martin Luther King Award Winner
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 10:17 AM by Alamom
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:36 AM
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30. A classic example of parsing words
Thanks for pointing that out, it was very interesting. And representative of the divergence of opinion about Hillary. Was she key to the Irish peace process or wasn't she? To paraphrase--it depends on what the meaning of "key" is. Even the Nobel laureates who share the prize disagree--it's no wonder the voters are uncomfortable with making a decision on who will be our next president in the context of such disagreement.
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:53 AM
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7. Great post...K&R
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:54 AM
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8. I've always said it's the person who becomes First Lady and what she
makes of that role...Hilary used her position to gain knowledeg and become involved, in spite of what Obama liars say.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:11 AM
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13. Right, like VP it has no set job description. nt
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:17 AM
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21. Amen! although if the VP slot did have specific duties...
...maybe Darth Cheney could have been kept in line.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:23 AM
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26. Yes, limit him to the "you die, I fly" routine for funerals. nt
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:36 AM
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31. You'd think being in such bad health he wouldn't have been so meedlesome! n/t
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global1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:54 AM
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9. So In Her Helpful And Supportive Way - She Brought Peace To Northern Ireland And.....
war to the U.S.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:05 AM
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11. Hillary had nothing to do with the process, she made two trips and two speeches
One trip two years after Bill's 1995 trip:

Northern Ireland welcomes back Hillary :

When Bill Clinton left Northern Ireland in December 1995 he vowed that he would return. He spent two days on the island - one north and one south of the border and it proved to be a remarkable diplomatic success. The President received a film star's welcome from the people of Belfast, Londonderry and Dublin.

The rock musician, Van Morrison, who played for the President in front of a massive crowd at Belfast City Hall sang the line, "Wouldn't it be great if it was like this all the time?" Contrasting his reception with the more difficult times he was facing in the US, Mr Clinton would have had no difficulty agreeing with that sentiment.

Two years on, it's not President Clinton but his wife, Hillary, who is making the return trip. Her intention is to focus attention on the role of women and young people in democracy and in the Northern Ireland peace process.

This will be a lower profile visit than the last time. This is partly because the First Lady will not be accompanied by her husband, but also because the situation in Northern Ireland has changed significantly since the heady days of Christmas 1995.


Hillary Clinton Sees Hope in Ulster, Too:

Hillary Rodham Clinton stayed strictly on track today, traveling to this troubled city to sound the themes she has embraced in her carefully planned re-emergence: women, children and families.

In her first overseas trip after the very public celebration of her 50th birthday last weekend and the speculation it raised about her recast role as First Lady, she began the day by delivering a lecture in memory of Joyce McCartan, whom she met in 1995, when she and the President visited Belfast together. Mrs. McCartan, who lost a son and 17 other relatives to sectarian violence, ran a center that brought Catholic and Protestant women together to promote peace.

In a moving address, Mrs. Clinton spoke of the important role that women like Mrs. McCartan can play in helping to solve the world's most intractable problems.

''An extraordinary power is unleashed when women reach out to their neighbors and find common ground,'' Mrs. Clinton said. ''When women are empowered to make the most of their own potential, then their families will thrive. And when families thrive, communities and nations thrive as well.''

Holding up a teapot, a gift from Mrs. McCartan during that visit two years ago, Mrs. Clinton said that whenever she used it, she was reminded of Mrs. McCartan, who died last year at 67, and the work she did.

''Joyce McCartan deserves as her real legacy that the peace process will go forward,'' she said. ''She and all the brave women who for more than 20 years marched, baked, prayed and shouted for peace deserve to be heard.''


1998:

First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton Remarks at Vital Voices Conference

2000:

Women know 'there's no going back'

Two trips, two speeches. That's it.

Lessons of the Northern Ireland Peace Process

The Honorable Mitchell B. Reiss, President's and Secretary of State's Special Envoy to Northern Ireland
Emmanuel College, Cambridge University
Cambridge, United Kingdom
September 9, 2005

Thank you, Mr. Ambassador, for that generous introduction. I would like to thank Conor Brady and all the members of the British-Irish Association for inviting me here this evening.

Many of you have spent much of your lives as observers, commentators and participants in the events of Northern Ireland. I am humbled by the accumulated experience and wisdom in this room, and would therefore welcome your comments on my remarks during the discussion period that David McKittrick is going to moderate afterwards.

<…>

The United States in particular has made important contributions to the peace process. American politicians like Hugh Carey, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Tip O'Neill and Ted Kennedy were among the first to draw international attention to the discrimination against the Catholic community in education, employment and housing in Northern Ireland. And they were also among the first to denounce the use of violence by the IRA. The Clinton Administration deserves great credit for energizing the peace process by raising Sinn Fein's profile, and then by devoting time and attention at the highest levels to ensure that political momentum could be maintained. The Friends of Ireland on Capitol Hill ensured that Congress was fully supportive of the peace process as well. Of course, it is difficult to imagine where we would be today without the enormous contribution of Senator George Mitchell, who masterfully translated the governments' broad vision into negotiations that led to the Good Friday Agreement. And President Bush has been intimately involved in moving the peace process forward.

But it is not just the politicians and officials in Washington who have played a role. Irish Americans have also cared deeply about all things Irish, especially as they relate to Northern Ireland. They have been a source of moral, political and financial support for Ireland since they landed on America's shores. And so it was significant when public opinion among Irish Americans shifted markedly during the past year, in response specifically to the Northern Bank robbery and the brutal McCartney murder, and more generally to the global war against terror that we now find ourselves in since 9/11. "Yes," they said, "we still support the cause of a united Ireland, all 32 counties. But no, we do not condone the use of violence, under any circumstances. It is time for the IRA to rely on purely peaceful and democratic means." Gerry Adams heard this message loud and clear during the St. Patrick's Day events in Washington. And he has used it to move the IRA.

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Press Releases

Date: October 18, 2005
For Immediate Release


On Tuesday, November 8, 2005, the National Committee on American Foreign Policy (NCAFP) will proudly present its prestigious William J. Flynn Initiative for Peace Award to Gerry Adams, president of Sinn Féin, and Hugh L. Carey, former governor of New York, at a dinner at the Waldorf=Astoria.

For more than a quarter of a century, Gerry Adams has been a pivotal figure in the quest to achieve an effective political settlement of the "Troubles." Largely as a result of his efforts, the Irish Republican Army formally ended its armed campaign against British rule in Northern Ireland and decommissioned its remaining weapons this year. That outcome would not have come about without the leadership and determination of Mr. Adams, who has transformed his party, Sinn Féin, into the leading nationalist party in Northern Ireland, as evidenced in the last election for the power-sharing Assembly in the North and reinforced by electoral victories in several parliamentary constituencies in Dublin and in successive elections to Parliament at Westminster.

Once banned from the airwaves in Ireland and Britain and barred from entering the United States, Mr. Adams was finally allowed to set foot on U.S. soil in 1994, when President Bill Clinton, in response to an appeal made by the NCAFP, ordered the State Department to issue a visa to him. That visa enabled Mr. Adams (as well as representatives from all sides of the divide in the North) to present his case in person to politicians, representatives of Irish America, scholars, and the media at a conference convened by the NCAFP. The trust placed in Mr. Adams by President Clinton, the NCAFP, and many others has borne fruit.

Governor Hugh L. Carey needs no introduction to New Yorkers who salute him for the leading role he played during the 1970s in rescuing New York City from bankruptcy. What is less widely known is the pioneering work that Governor Carey performed in the pursuit of peace in Northern Ireland. In the early 1980s, he denounced the use of violence as a means of bringing about necessary political change in that fractured land. Governor Carey and other Irish-American politicians such as Senator Edward Kennedy, Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan, and House Speaker Tip O'Neill became known as the Four Horsemen, although the end result of their work was hardly apocalyptic. Instead, it produced an environment that is conducive to the affirmation of life by encouraging investments in people, projects, and the peace process.

The William J. Flynn Initiative for Peace Award that Gerry Adams and Hugh Carey will receive on November 8 is aptly named. William J. Flynn, chairman of the NCAFP, is a peace pioneer who is known for his work throughout the island of Ireland. The countless risks he took for peace during almost two decades of involvement in the peace process have made him a legend in both the loyalist and republican communities in the land of his forebears. In his own homeland, Mr. Flynn was applauded by other advocates of peace such as Governor Hugh Carey for the direct approach he took to convince President Clinton to grant a visa to Gerry Adams. Mr. Adams's trip to the United States provided the impetus for the peace pioneers to come together in subsequent years and provide the kind of support that the leader of Sinn Féin would need to pursue the peace process, which culminated in the Belfast, or Good Friday, Agreement.


The National Committee on American Foreign Policy was founded in 1974 by Professor Hans J. Morgenthau and others. It is a nonprofit, activist organization dedicated to the resolution of conflicts that threaten U.S. interests. Toward that end, the NCAFP identifies, articulates, and helps advance American foreign policy interests from a nonpartisan perspective within the framework of political realism. Previous winners of the William J. Flynn Initiative for Peace Award are former United States Senator George J. Mitchell, the facilitator of the Good Friday Agreement, Dr. Marjorie J. Mowlam, who served as British secretary of state for Northern Ireland, and Viola Herms Drath, who laid the groundwork for the "2 + 4" process that led to the formal unification of Germany.

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The claim reminds me of Hillary taking credit for SCHIP

There is a reason former NY Governor Hugh Carey endorsed Obama.

Peace agreement signed 1998 after an extensive decade-long process that began in 1988.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:23 AM
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25. Mitchell: Hillary was "not involved directly" in the diplomatic negotiations
It is true that Hillary visited Northern Ireland more times than Bill. By my count, she went there six times between 1995 and 2000, while he went four times. But she accompanied her husband as first lady on those four occasions, so they were hardly "independent" visits. (She would sometimes fly in a day early to give a lecture.) She made two visits by herself to the province, in May 1999, when she was the keynote speaker to a women's conference, and a 12-hour trip in October 1997, when she gave a lecture at the University of Ulster.

These visits provide a useful insight into Clinton's first lady experience, and how helpful it will be to her if she makes it all the way back to the White House as president. I just spoke to Senator George Mitchell, the Clinton administration's leading Northern Ireland peace negotiator, who said that Hillary was "not involved directly" in the diplomatic negotiations that led to the landmark April 1998 Good Friday agreement on power-sharing. On the other hand, Mitchell credits Clinton with taking an intelligent interest in the issues and getting acquainted with many of the key players.

"She was very much involved in encouraging the emergence of women in the political process in northern Ireland, which was a significant factor in ultimately getting an agreement," Mitchell told me. Mitchell believes that Clinton's time in the White House enabled her to become "personally acquainted" with world leaders, which will help her if she becomes president.

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Two trips and two speeches before the agreement!

Mitchell is supporting Hillary and is being nice: "helpful and supportive role."

Her claim and his support are exaggerations, as the facts show.




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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:09 AM
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12. Hillary was a first lady, get it? It's not an elected office
and doesn't translate into experience. Her time in the Senate is a different matter, but for her to continue to cite her time as first lady as experience is dubious at best.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:12 AM
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14. Let's count the important people around a prez who are not elected.....nt
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:15 AM
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19. Not the same
if you're referring to his cabinet, to equate that with marriage is ludicrous. Fact: Hillary was not a member of Bill's cabinet, she was his wife.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:22 AM
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24. Eleanor Roosevelt wasn't a cabinet member either. You're right. She wasn't important.
Or influential.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:25 AM
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27. Eleanor Roosevelt never ran for president either
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:30 AM
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28. So you can only gain experience if you decide not to run for president later
...I'm trying to grasp your tenuous reasoning...Hilary used her position to learn and become involved, she did not sit idly by like Laura Bush...end of story.
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:45 AM
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32. A first lady is not automatically qualified to be president
involved or not. For HRC to cite her time as a wife as "experience" boggles the mind. BTW, there are different versions as to just how "involved" she really was.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:27 AM
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33. No one says they are, but it's got value on a vitae. nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:30 AM
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34. Right, papering over ALL prez's wives as if the same doesn't work.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:15 AM
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20. Rove is not elected and plays an important role in this administration
You think he's qualified to run for president? :shrug:
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:20 AM
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23. How she should approach it
If she wants to claim experience as First Lady as having any meaningful part of this nomination she should focus on what she did to support her husband in his key role in the Irish Peace Process and whatever else she wants to lay claim to. She was not acting as an independent party in any of this and she was not an elected official--she was riding his coat tails and giving him whatever support the two of them felt was necessary. That's what a wife does--she was June Cleaver to Bill's Ward Cleaver, metaphorically bringing in the cookies and milk. I know it's old fashioned but if she is going to say her position as wife of the president gave her eight years of experience then that's the way it is.
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:12 AM
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15. Thank You Hillary (AGAIN!)
We need you in the White House! Don't be INTIMIDATED by ANYONE!

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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:13 AM
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16. K&R n/t
:kick:
HRC: I know, errr, let's just say that every trip I ever took shows my foreign policy expertise! Yeah, that's it! Now, where did I put my passport? :think:
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:13 AM
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17. To The Greatest Page With You!
:) :) :) :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :toast: :toast: :toast: :kick: :kick: :kick: :dem: :dem: :dem: :loveya: :loveya: :loveya: :headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :yourock: :yourock: :yourock: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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HannibalBarca Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:30 AM
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29. I'm Irish (100%), my father's family all hail from Northern Ireland
....lived through all the "troubles" (as they are somewhat colloquially referred to). The bulwark of the work was done by Gerry Adams, Martin Mc Guiness of Sinn Fein and the Ulster Unionist Party Leader David Trimble. In fact some say the agreement cost his party the majority and himself leadership of the party as a result of bitter haggling after the agreement was signed and perceived slow movement of the IRA to fully comply with all the provisions of said agreement. George Mitchell was excellent as an impartial moderator and *I think* he was respected by both sides. Having a US president behind a process is an enormous plus (well it was before warrior pres came along), HRC was peripheral, claiming this as some kind of great foreign policy milestone for her is utter nonsense. Her role as 1st lady was supportive and thats about it, no on the ground involvement in the late night negotiations etc.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:31 AM
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35. This is a wee bit silly.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:35 AM
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36. Nobel Peace Prize recipient for that accomplishment says Ms. Clinton is a "wee bit silly."
Hillary Clinton had no direct role in bringing peace to Northern Ireland and is a "wee bit silly" for exaggerating the part she played, according to Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, the Nobel Peace Prize winner and former First Minister of the province.

"I don’t know there was much she did apart from accompanying Bill going around," he said. Her recent statements about being deeply involved were merely "the sort of thing people put in their canvassing leaflets" during elections. "She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don’t want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."

Mrs Clinton has made Northern Ireland key to her claims of having extensive foreign policy experience, which helped her defeat Barack Obama in Ohio and Texas on Tuesday after she presented herself as being ready to tackle foreign policy crises at 3am.

"I helped to bring peace to Northern Ireland," she told CNN on Wednesday. But negotiators from the parties that helped broker the Good Friday Agreement in 1998 told The Daily Telegraph that her role was peripheral and that she played no part in the gruelling political talks over the years.

Lord Trimble shared the Nobel Peace Prize with John Hume, leader of the nationalist Social Democratic and Labour Party, in 1998. Conall McDevitt, an SDLP negotiator and aide to Mr Hume during the talks, said: "There would have been no contact with her either in person or on the phone. I was with Hume regularly during calls in the months leading up to the Good Friday Agreement when he was taking calls from the White House and they were invariably coming from the president."
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Central to Mrs Clinton’s claim of an important Northern Ireland role is a meeting she attended in Belfast in with a group of women from cross-community groups. "I actually went to Northern Ireland more than my husband did," she said in Nashua, New Hampshire on January 6th.

"I remember a meeting that I pulled together in Belfast, in the town hall there, bringing together for the first time Catholics and Protestants from both traditions, having them sitting a room where they had never been before with each other because they don’t go to school together, they don’t live together and it was only in large measure because I really asked them to come that they were there.

"And I wasn’t sure it was going to be very successful and finally a Catholic woman on one side of the table said, ’You know, every time my husband leaves for work in the morning I worry he won’t come home at night.

"And then a Protestant woman on the other side said, ’Every time my son tries to go out at night I worry he won’t come home again’. And suddenly instead of seeing each other as caricatures and stereotypes they saw each other as human beings and the slow, hard work of peace-making could move forward."

There is no record of a meeting at Belfast City Hall, though Mrs Clinton attended a ceremony there when her husband turned on the Christmas tree lights in November 1995. The former First Lady appears to be referring a 50-minute event the same day, arranged by the US Consulate, the same day at the Lamp Lighter Café on the city’s Ormeau Road.

more at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:39 AM
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39. LOL! Mitchell's description of Hillary's role
reminds me of how my Dad used to praise how I helped him fix the car when I was 5 or 6. "Oh, he was a big help". Made me feel good, but all I really did was held the screwdriver.
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