At what point will Clinton give up and/or her supporters realize it is over?

[SoonerPride]

Sometime after Pennsylvania?

Summer?

Dragged kicking and screaming from the convention floor?

Never?

Look, I voted for Clinton on Super Teusday and helped her carry Oklahoma. But it is OVER folks. The people have spoken. She cannot win without a super delegate reversal of the popular vote. Period.

In terms of states won, delegates amassed or even popular vote totals, it is over.

I, as a member of the DEMOCRATIC party, was taught to love and respect elections. Remember our dear friend Nancy Pelosi and her prophetic words: "Elections have consequences." Hillary Clinton put up a good fight and until the last week or so it was a decent fight. Now it has spiraled into a nightmare of depressing lies, innuendos and smears.

Repeat after me:

IT

IS

OVER.

The sooner she realizes it, and her supporters embrace that reality, we can begin to focus our attention, united and energized to beat the Republicans in November.

[Seeker30]

1. When Obama has 2025 delegates

Until that happens stfu

[SoonerPride]

5. Weoll, then that's one for "dragged kicking and screaming from the floor"

Because, your loud and disruptive ilk will be told to STFU when the super delgates enforce the will of the people and give him 2425 (or whatever the4 exact number is inlcuding MI and FL)

And they will NOT reverse the will of the people.

IT

IS

OVER.

[hueyshort]

82. Sounds like you're Threatening

and let me tell you, dude. That kind of shit isn't going to sit well with people
you want to vote for your candidate.

Obama people better get their act together and start behaving. Seriously.

[Laelth]

92. A long, protracted fight is exactly what HRC is threatening.

She has the right to do it, no doubt. Obama is only the likely nominee. He doesn't have it wrapped up.

But is it really useful to have a long, protracted fight? Only if you believe BO doesn't stand a chance of winning in the GE. Is that what you believe? Some do, I know.

In the spirit of open dialog ...

-Laelth

[Danger Mouse]

32. ah, you again.

now that cyberpiehole has been ts'ed, do you feel a goose walking over your grave?

[elixir]

65. Nicely done, I'll have to remember that.

[SoonerPride]

76. Another one for the convention floor I see.

OK

[StevieM]

87. 2209 pledged delegates. That's what it takes to win, with Florida and Michigan reinstated (eom)

x

[Stand and Fight]

88. Amen to that. n/t

[VotesForWomen]

90. word. nt

[FormerDittoHead]

2. I know it's over. I'm just waiting for Obama supporters to start acting like good winners. n/t

[SoonerPride]

Join us,.

It isn't that hard.

We're on the same team, after all.

[LisaL]

44. Oh dear lord.

Did you already forget your OP claims you support Clinton?

[SoonerPride]

62. The OP states I USED to support Clinton, but I woke up to the fact that it is over.

Please try and keep up.

[MyNameGoesHere]

96. Are all sooners this rude or is it just you? n/t

[pingzing58]

3. At the National Convention and anyone from repug Oklahoma should shut the f*** up! nt

[SoonerPride]

8. How DEMOCRATIC of you

Have a nice day.

[XemaSab]

21. Oklahoma went overwhelmingly for Hillary

55-31, with 10 percent for Edwards.

It's her second-strongest state.

[SoonerPride]

27. I was very energized about Hillary's campaign

Donated, canvassed, etc.

But the fact is the people have spoken.

It is mathematically impossible for Clinton to surpass Obama and when they meet at the convention, he'll have the lead in stares, votes, and pldged delegates.

The only way she can win is to have the supers reverse the popular sentiment of the most people.

To me, that means it is over.

[elixir]

67. He doesn't ahve 2025. That's when it's over.

[SoonerPride]

77. Denver then

Ok

[walldude]

38. LMAO... yeah that'll get you some supporters...

Psst, the national Convention is being held in my home state of Colorado. We are a RED state. You know like those repugs from Oklahoma.


You know Obama's supporters could just shut up right now and you and people like you can push more people out of Hillary's camp and it really will be over.

[texastoast]

4. Premature thread n/t

[emilyg]

81. His keyboard is ejaculating.

[LisaL]

6. It ain't over until it's over.

And if Obama got it in the bag, what are his supporters worried about?
Hah?

[SoonerPride]

9. We're worried about you burning down the party in a losing cause

There is rationality and it seems to have been lost.

IT

IS

OVER.

[MagsDem]

30. Not even close to over

Get the facts straight -- neither can win solely on pledged delegates, and it's neck and neck when it comes to the popular vote. SD's are supposed to vote their preference. Let's hope they do. That's what they are there for -- to save us from media hype of rethugs invading our primary process, which they have done.

[wileedog]

41. They won't

Its not neck and neck, you are counting votes that are never happened.

If you really think we are going to put forth a nomination based on a election where one of the candidates WAS NOT ON THE BALLOT, you are asking for the massive loss to McCain that is coming.

Enough with the spin and useless cheating. End it.

[elixir]

70. No cheating or spin, just plain cold facts. They are practically tied in the popular vote.

Let the process play out.

If you guys are so sure it's over, sit back and collect campaign $$$.

[SoonerPride]

49. They will vote for whomever has the lead. They will not reverse the popular vote.

If they do, the party will implode.

What I fear is that the hardcore Clinton supporters will feel cheated when the will of the people is upheld.

Give it up and come to your senses.

[thevoiceofreason]

50. As my grandpa would say

The monkey's dead and the show's over.

[elixir]

68. Let the race play out and stop trying to derail the process.

IT

IS

NOT

OVER!!!!!

[SoonerPride]

72. But when will you admit that it is?

Never?

[thevoiceofreason]

45. O, let's see.

Maybe let's not spend anoter $40 million each that could go to the down-ticket candidates.

But wait, that's not within Hillary's scope of vision. It's all about her and her aspirations.

[ossman]

7. Mike Huckabee says get the fuck out already.

[hisownpetard]

10. When they take away her suit jackets with the scary stand-up collars and put them

in the cedar closet, for storage.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

11. "was taught to love and respect elections..."

There is only one election to chose the nominee. It is held at the convention. There are about 4048 voters, and majority rules.

All these state contests are to chose delegates to participate in that election.

The election is held in August and it is the only election that exists for the Democratic Party presidential nominee.

Unless you have reason to think the nominee will not be the one winning the most votes cast at the convention, can the self-righteous "I respect elections" stuff.

[SoonerPride]

14. Why even HAVE primaries then?

Just let the party bosses annoint us a candidate and be done with it?

Oh, that's right, because we're in America.

[MagsDem]

25. Same thing can be said about caucuses

Look, pledged delegates get 2/3 of the say. When they split pretty much evenly it gets decided by the supers. The primaries so far have not shown one candidate to be the choice of the people. Facts are they are split 50/50 when all the votes are counted. And in fact if we had actual primaries in every state instead of caucuses they'd be even up on pledged delegates or HRC would be ahead. I'm sick to death of this "will of the people" crap from BO supporters. You don't give a damn about the will of the people -- if you did you wouldn't pretend that MI and FL voters don't exist.

[SoonerPride]

29. I don't pretend they don't exist, They haven't voted yet.

When they do vote in a sanctioned election, we'll be happy to count them.

Duh.

[elixir]

73. You're just not having a good post here. Best to cut your loses and bail. It's OK..

everyone has a post that seems to be a good thing at the time and then it turns sour.

[SoonerPride]

79. So when will you admit it's over?

Denver?

Or before?


and then what?

[rwheeler31]

12. We really need to get after the Gop again . She is not helping.

[MagsDem]

15. Sucks that half the primary voters prefer her, doesn't it?

Look, if your guy can't sustain a campaign with her he sure as hell isn't going to win in Nov.

[SoonerPride]

19. Sicne when is less than half = to half

HE IS THE LEADER.

[MagsDem]

13. She's ahead in the popular vote total by 20K

So I don't see why she should quit. If they seat the MI and FL voters as they should (and yes, I say FUCK IA, NH, and SC), he is only 54 delegates ahead. She'd be crazy to quit.

[SoonerPride]

17. She won't be after tomorrow.

Then you can drop this nonsensical meme you've parroted all day long.


Thanks.

[MagsDem]

31. But she will be again after PA

And on it goes. Get over it.

[SoonerPride]

36. And then she won't win another state.

N Calina?
Oregon?

SHE IS DOINE.

Best to admit it, deal with it and move on.

Grieving time is over.

[MagsDem]

46. He only won WA by 3% -- what makes you think he will win OR?

And there is no reason she can't win IN, KY, MT, and SD. She will PA easily. Why are you so afraid to let people vote?

[SoonerPride]

54. The people can vote, and he will win.

Why are you so afraid of letting the people decide? They have spoken and continue to say it: we want Obama.

You want the supers to reverse the will of the people and that is frighteningly autocratic.

[thevoiceofreason]

37. Ditto Enron accounting post from before

[MagsDem]

47. The actual numbers don't lie

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

[thevoiceofreason]

59. Which gives Clinton votes from MI, which she said "doesn't count"

And gives Obama none from Michigan.

You have no logic in your analysis. I will love rubbing it in your face, a statement I have made to no others.

Hillary is toast. Nasty, wet, two-day old toast.

[thevoiceofreason]

20. In your dreams. Take your Enron accounting elsewhere

[SoonerPride]

23. Don;t mind ol' mags

She's said that same line 450 times today.

She won't be able to tomorrow.

[MagsDem]

39. And then she will be ahead again after PA

Why is it that Obama supporters don't want to count the actual votes?

[SoonerPride]

42. We do.

And she's lost.

[MagsDem]

51. No, if you were in favor of counting the actual votes

1) you admit that 20K more people have voted for her overall, and

2) you wouldn't be so pissed that she won't quit before she wins IN, KY, MT, SD, and PA.

[thevoiceofreason]

80. No one is pissed.

Let's bet a case of Guinness. Whoever wins the nomination wins the bet.

[MagsDem]

34. Sorry, it's a fact... read it and weep

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

It will be even larger after PA.

[SoonerPride]

43. You are hopeless.

Dragged kicking and screaming I see.

It

Is

Over, sweetums.

[Usrename]

52. Like every other source, that shows Clinton losing to Obama.

At some point, like the OP says, you'll have to start facing up to the facts. We're all just wondering when that will be.

[writes3000]

58. Ridiculous and Intellectually Dishonest. Your argument is desperate.

We all know that Michigan and Florida do not count as official, legitimate primaries. Even the states themselves are admitting this as they figure out how to run new primaries.

But even if we were to consider adding Florida (which is inherently unfair), Obama is credited with NO votes in Michigan because his name wasn't on the ballot.

Do you really, honestly think Obama wouldn't have gotten more than 20,000 votes if he was on the ballot?

You can't think that. You don't think that.

But that's part of your desperate argument.

And that tells me you don't have much more to brag about these days. Why let facts get in the way of your desperate, repetitive, wrongheaded argument?

[KAZ]

48. In the words of Colbert, "smells like a dying piece of shrimp".

She's down 600K. Deal with it asshole.

[SnoopDog]

55. May I remind you that it is 'delegates' not popular vote...

that wins this primary...

[Emit]

63. Show me a link that proves she's ahead in the popular vote.

Where are you getting that info?

[SoonerPride]

74. You have to include Michigan, where he wasn't on the ballot

If you do that, she has a 20,000 vote lead.

Which of course, is totally bogus and no one recognizes those results.

Except mags, who is full on delusional.

[Emit]

86. And how are the caucuses figured into those results?

[Medusa]

16. They won't I don't think

I honestly don't think she will til the convention.

[thevoiceofreason]

18. Ya know, it's not often that an Obama-supportin' Longhorn like me would agree with you

But I do here. And frankly if the roles were reversed, I'd agree with it too (I was a Hart supporter in the 80's, so I've been there). Shout out to Okie logic.

[Eurobabe]

22. Perhaps when Obama wins a few more

and the job for Gov. of NY becomes available (let's say David Patterson doesn't want it) :shrug:

[JVS]

24. I have a visual aid for you for next time you need to make this point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sO46RqQNuE&feature=related

[GoneOffShore]

26. Tell it brother.

You've hit the nail on the head.

[Fox Mulder]

28. She should drop out now for the good of the Democratic party.

Like you said, there's no way she can win anyways. She's just prolonging the inevitable.

[SoonerPride]

33. Exactly. I took me a ciouple of weeks for it to sink in.

Then I realized it was over and that was that.

Time to move on.

This clinging to the dead bosy and sobbing uncontrollably won't bring it back.

Her candidacy is DOA folks.

IT

IS

OVER.

[MagsDem]

56. That's strange -- she's winning the popular vote by nearly 20K votes

That doesn't sound like over to me. She is very likely to win PA, SD, IN, KY, and MT.

[SoonerPride]

60. No, she isn't,

You meme is tiresome, hon.

[MagsDem]

69. BO supporters sound like Bushbots -- DON'T COUNT THE VOTES!!!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

You can deny it like the Bushbots denied it in 2000, but more people have voted for HRC than Obama. That is a fact.

[SoonerPride]

78. You sound like a broken record. NO ONE COUNTS MI AND FLORIDA, DEAR

When they DO vote, we'll count 'em then.

Until then, they haven't voted.

Period.

[emilyg]

84. You're tiresome. Bedtime bozo.

[MrMickeysMom]

35. You may have voted on super Tuesday in OK...

... but I'm voting in PA April 22nd...

Let's pretend it matters...

[SoonerPride]

40. It doesn't,

Not really.

Unless she wins all the remaing states 70/30.

And that ain't happening.

[annie1]

53. when obama comes close to winning.

[SoonerPride]

57. How close?

Quantify it.

Say he still has a 165 delegate lead heading to Denver?

Is that enough?

Do we have to fight it out on the floor old school?

Do we have to resort to back room deals?

When is it over for you?

[annie1]

83. up 165 with anywhere from 600-900 more to go? can't get to 2049, 3% ahead in the pop. vote...

is nowhere near close.

[1776Forever]

61. I heard her in PA today - she was very good I wonder who wrote the speech for her - Still for Obama

:shrug: Who can say when or if they will give up. I guess it is up to them. I hope Obama gives a speech that is geared just to PA since he has 6 weeks to get ready. She hit every one of the things that they are wanting. Like I said if someone knows who wrote the speech I would love to know.

:hide:

[elixir]

64. When Obama has 2025 delegates.

[LiberalFighter]

66. When the fat lady sings.

[SoonerPride]

75. Denver?

Or before.

[dailykoff]

71. Wnen the exorcist cashes his check.

Account closed.

[LVjinx]

85. Um, neither Obama nor Clinton are anywhere NEAR the amount of delegates they need

Stop smoking that junk.

[quantass]

89. Funny to think that Clinton was going around acting like the Cock of the Walk saying to

Katey Curic that she is going to win the nomination and blah blah....reality set in and she got pwned

[Windex]

91. after her primaries in Cuba, Venezuela and Mexico

m a y b e

[sfam]

93. When its clear that a Democrat no longer has a chance to win in November...

Just a two or three weeks ago I would never have said this, but clearly Hillary has decided its better to grind Obama into the dirt even if it brings the entire Democratic party down. So yeah, she'll only be quitting either when Obama has fully won it, or when she realizes the Democrats no longer have a good chance to win in November.

[txaslftist]

94. She doesn't have to win to win. He has to LOSE.

If Obama loses the general election in November '08, that paves the way for an "I told you so" run by Hillary in 2012. If he wins in November, the keys to White House will never be in her hands again, and that's unacceptable. She'll concede that she's lost when he's sworn in as president, and not a second before. If McCain wins against Obama, Hillary wins. If Hillary wins against McCain Hillary wins.

Those are her terms of victory.

[Orsino]

95. Only after the Supreme Court denies her MI/FL. n/t

[krkaufman]

97. After they've lost in the general election.

(though I'm no longer sure that that would stop her)

[Emillereid]

98. She's only going to quit when she has thoroughly destroyed the Democratic

Party's chance of winning the White House - that way she figures she can run again in 2012. Either that or she'll be McCain's VP and run in 2012. There is NIO doubt in my mind that she figures it's my way or the highway, the party and the country be damned!

[BzaDem]

99. Obama supporters were spewing the same stuff before Texas and Ohio.

The popular vote is quite close. She could overtake him.

When it is over, it will be so obvious that people won't need to say it. The more people say it (and the more enthusiastically), the clearer it is that it is NOT over.

[femmedem]

100. Thanks, SoonerPride.

It's very hard to support the opponent of a candidate you've actively supported. I appreciate it.
:yourock:

[Turn CO Blue]

101. I know the precise date - January 20, 2009

Even then there will still be a few supporters in denial.

I'm ready for all of us to rally around the nominee and move on to dismantling Insane McCain piece by piece.